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Post by nomar on Nov 6, 2015 8:42:33 GMT -5
Oh wow good catch James.
Just playing devils advocate and saying there's risk both ways. If our scouts like him I'm happy to roll the dice though as long as Shaw is kept around.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 6, 2015 10:01:51 GMT -5
Oh wow good catch James. Just playing devils advocate and saying there's risk both ways. If our scouts like him I'm happy to roll the dice though as long as Shaw is kept around. Timing is awful. If/when Boston signs Park, & I know it's a big if, as a dozen or so other teams also needs 1B help, It really ties DD's hands on trying to move Hanley as other teams will KNOW he has to be moved. Not sure of any scenario in which Hanley could be kept along with Park on the roster. I also don't see the RS paying 75%+ of his salary.
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Post by nomar on Nov 6, 2015 12:01:02 GMT -5
Oh wow good catch James. Just playing devils advocate and saying there's risk both ways. If our scouts like him I'm happy to roll the dice though as long as Shaw is kept around. Timing is awful. If/when Boston signs Park, & I know it's a big if, as a dozen or so other teams also needs 1B help, It really ties DD's hands on trying to move Hanley as other teams will KNOW he has to be moved. Not sure of any scenario in which Hanley could be kept along with Park on the roster. I also don't see the RS paying 75%+ of his salary. As long as there's more than 1 suitor for Hanley I don't think that would be too much of a problem
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Post by dirtywater on Nov 6, 2015 12:13:06 GMT -5
Timing is awful. If/when Boston signs Park, & I know it's a big if, as a dozen or so other teams also needs 1B help, It really ties DD's hands on trying to move Hanley as other teams will KNOW he has to be moved. Not sure of any scenario in which Hanley could be kept along with Park on the roster. I also don't see the RS paying 75%+ of his salary. As long as there's more than 1 suitor for Hanley I don't think that would be too much of a problem Only scenario I see is an AL team coming to Sox offering peanuts for Hanley and leave Sox still paying 50% of the contract. That AL team sticks him at DH which allows him to stay healthy and comeback and rake against the Sox - especially if he winds up in the division with the Orioles or Rays or something. I think Sox fans need to understand that zero teams are going to be lining up for Hanley this offseason. And you want to sink more money into the first base dilemna by signing Park? What's the definition of insanity again? Now Sox have doubled down on their problem with $40+ million rotting in payroll at one position should Park bust. I'd rather see what happens with the Hanley first base experiment.
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Post by nomar on Nov 6, 2015 13:19:48 GMT -5
As long as there's more than 1 suitor for Hanley I don't think that would be too much of a problem Only scenario I see is an AL team coming to Sox offering peanuts for Hanley and leave Sox still paying 50% of the contract. That AL team sticks him at DH which allows him to stay healthy and comeback and rake against the Sox - especially if he winds up in the division with the Orioles or Rays or something. I think Sox fans need to understand that zero teams are going to be lining up for Hanley this offseason. And you want to sink more money into the first base dilemna by signing Park? What's the definition of insanity again? Now Sox have doubled down on their problem with $40+ million rotting in payroll at one position should Park bust. I'd rather see what happens with the Hanley first base experiment. 50%? That's like saying if Hanley was a free agent right now, he'd get 11M AAV. I don't think so. I could see us eating 3M a year, but no more than that on a dump. There may be a team that will just take the whole contract if they aren't in a financial bind.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 6, 2015 13:31:52 GMT -5
Only scenario I see is an AL team coming to Sox offering peanuts for Hanley and leave Sox still paying 50% of the contract. That AL team sticks him at DH which allows him to stay healthy and comeback and rake against the Sox - especially if he winds up in the division with the Orioles or Rays or something. I think Sox fans need to understand that zero teams are going to be lining up for Hanley this offseason. And you want to sink more money into the first base dilemna by signing Park? What's the definition of insanity again? Now Sox have doubled down on their problem with $40+ million rotting in payroll at one position should Park bust. I'd rather see what happens with the Hanley first base experiment. 50%? That's like saying if Hanley was a free agent right now, he'd get 11M AAV. I don't think so. I could see us eating 3M a year, but no more than that on a dump. There may be a team that will just take the whole contract if they aren't in a financial bind. I doubt Hanley would get more than $11 million/year. At this point he's a DH only and those guys don't normally make a ton, especially if they're coming off a mediocre offensive year, and have a history of injuries and attitude questions. I just don't think the market is that big for a guy like that. If Hanley was a free agent, he'd be one of those guys a team needing a DH would take a flier on, hoping that they get a good year out of him to help them win or to make him valuable for a deal in July. The Sox would have to eat a lot of money or take a really bad contract in exchange to get rid of Hanley. I do think that DD will come away with Park - Dan Duquette that is.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 6, 2015 13:54:08 GMT -5
Only scenario I see is an AL team coming to Sox offering peanuts for Hanley and leave Sox still paying 50% of the contract. That AL team sticks him at DH which allows him to stay healthy and comeback and rake against the Sox - especially if he winds up in the division with the Orioles or Rays or something. I think Sox fans need to understand that zero teams are going to be lining up for Hanley this offseason. And you want to sink more money into the first base dilemna by signing Park? What's the definition of insanity again? Now Sox have doubled down on their problem with $40+ million rotting in payroll at one position should Park bust. I'd rather see what happens with the Hanley first base experiment. 50%? That's like saying if Hanley was a free agent right now, he'd get 11M AAV. I don't think so. I could see us eating 3M a year, but no more than that on a dump. There may be a team that will just take the whole contract if they aren't in a financial bind. But it's not going to be the Indians. I doubt they'd even want him at $11M.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 6, 2015 14:15:38 GMT -5
They may take him @ $11M if we take Swisher.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 6, 2015 14:26:55 GMT -5
They may take him @ $11M if we take Swisher. I didn't notice this either, but Swisher is with the Braves now.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 6, 2015 16:12:47 GMT -5
They may take him @ $11M if we take Swisher. I didn't notice this either, but Swisher is with the Braves now. Speaking of bad contracts, SD gets a subsidized Panda, we take the full Melvin Upton Jr contract to somewhat fill our need for a 4th RHH OF, 2 years left on his deal, good timing for our prospects .....I know he's terrible, but not much worse than a De Aza type. Obviously for us to get Ross & or Kimbrel with several other moving pieces. I know this is not the 1st time this has been mentioned, just re-thought it thinking of Swisher (bad for bad).
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 6, 2015 16:29:44 GMT -5
Bid are due in 30 min right?
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 6, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Now we wait.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 6, 2015 17:15:22 GMT -5
Gut feeling: O's win the bid
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 6, 2015 18:07:52 GMT -5
Gut feeling: O's win the bid I still say us
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 6, 2015 18:11:24 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 6, 2015 18:12:24 GMT -5
@redsoxstats: The winning bid on Byung Ho Park was $12.85M, team unknown. t.co/ND2QECp6Ys
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 6, 2015 18:55:09 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 6, 2015 19:13:16 GMT -5
I didn't notice this either, but Swisher is with the Braves now. Speaking of bad contracts, SD gets a subsidized Panda, we take the full Melvin Upton Jr contract to somewhat fill our need for a 4th RHH OF, 2 years left on his deal, good timing for our prospects .....I know he's terrible, but not much worse than a De Aza type. Obviously for us to get Ross & or Kimbrel with several other moving pieces. I know this is not the 1st time this has been mentioned, just re-thought it thinking of Swisher (bad for bad). I like the Panda for Upton move - just looked at his stats and last year he wasn't bad. Not only does he fill the hole you mentioned but he provide a platoon partner for JBJ if he regressed or a platoon partner with Holt/Shaw if Rusney doesn't work out. And he's still a good runner who can steal bases off the bench. with 33.1M/2 years left on the contract though, I would hope that they can call it a wash rather than eating extra salary. Under this scenario - do they sign Park and move Hanley to 3B? Sign another 3B? Lean on Holt/Shaw/Rutledge?
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 6, 2015 19:17:21 GMT -5
Ken rosenthal will leak it by tonight.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 6, 2015 19:32:40 GMT -5
Gut feeling: O's win the bid I still say us Why do you still say us? What do you think they'll do with Hanley Ramirez? Do you think they'll eat a huge bulk of his contract, trade him, spend the money on the posting fee, sign Park, and then hope - for the $30 million spent on a 1b, they get a good performance out of Park?
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 7, 2015 13:23:44 GMT -5
so far its been confirmed that the Indians, Tigers, Rangers and Orioles did not place the winning bid for Byung-ho Park.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 7, 2015 13:33:15 GMT -5
so far its been confirmed that the Indians, Tigers, Rangers and Orioles did not place the winning bid for Byung-ho Park. Good news! That means we have to sweat out only 25 more teams.
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Post by mjammz on Nov 7, 2015 13:46:51 GMT -5
Dennis Lin @dennistlin The Padres are not the team that won the negotiating rights for Byung-ho Park.
Cross SD off the list.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 7, 2015 13:49:47 GMT -5
so far its been confirmed that the Indians, Tigers, Rangers and Orioles did not place the winning bid for Byung-ho Park. Good news! That means we have to sweat out only 25 more teams. less, only have to worry about teams who “need” a 1B
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 7, 2015 13:53:48 GMT -5
I agree that Travis isn't someone you count on being more than an average starter. I also think Lee is a significantly worse talent. I wouldn't count on him being any better than Shaw. This projection is something you may be revisiting in the future. Travis is all of 21 years old, and he raked in AA in 131 games. A straightforward extrapolation to, say, 155 games gets him to 55 XBHs. That's a bunch for a kid who hasn't come anywhere near his power potential yet. If he turns his doubles and triples into home runs he could easily push to .500 slugging. Given his decent walk rate, that would make him very valuable.
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