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Don Orsillo being laid off
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 9:56:12 GMT -5
Orsillo is getting laid off, and there are reports out today about Hanley not putting in work on his defense.
Looks like management is getting a head start on creating their scapegoats for 2015.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 25, 2015 9:58:33 GMT -5
Jrffam05 dislikes this
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Post by thegoo13 on Aug 25, 2015 10:10:40 GMT -5
one can only hope they send Remy out with him I live near the Kansas City market. Watch Royals games on occasion. Jerry Remy is a baseball savant compared to Rex Hudler. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 25, 2015 10:24:49 GMT -5
Orsillo's tremendous. TV play-by-play is hard. There's a sweet spot between saying too much and not saying enough, and Orsillo fills it instinctively.
I'll never forget his call of his walk-off homer against Tom Gordon in 2006, which came less than two weeks after his walk-off against Otsuka in Fenway: "How many times can you go to the well?" He captured the sense of amazement that anyone could be that ridiculously clutch.
The guy's good enough to work nationally, and he's usually been the best guy doing those DS games. He'll be missed.
What they needed to do was persuade Eck to do half the games. Less of the Don and Jerry show would also be a sweet spot, between audiences who are tired of it and those who still like it.
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Post by gerry on Aug 25, 2015 10:31:20 GMT -5
Silly season begins. The award winning duo of Remdog and Orsillo (and his dontourage) have helped discouraged fans find humor in the game,and in life. No, they aren't perfect but they are better than most, and make having the game on every day for 3-4 hours a richer, more comfortable and entertaining experience.
Conspiracy theorists should absolutely be concerned about Tom Caron's power plays among staff, and his efforts to squeeze Fox Network and Fox personnel into regular NESN programming. A disturbing and predictive trend which may account for this and future.change.
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Post by thebogeyman on Aug 25, 2015 10:32:33 GMT -5
Orsillo is being replaced, not "laid off." I have thought that Orsillo and Remy spend WAY too much time talking about silly stuff instead of the game. I am sure that a minority of the viewers do not mind endless rambling about parking spaces, hair, restaurants and clothing choices, but it is frustrating and boring to those who would like more focus on the game. There have been countless times when something interesting has happened on the field that Don and Jerry treat as a distraction as they giggle their way through a discussion of mildly amusing personal adventures. Jerry is a disaster. Don failed to keep a sharp focus on baseball. Don is a very good play-by-play announcer, but only when Jerry is not in the booth. I have to disagree with you here. I would bet that a majority of viewers prefer that sort of talk. The minority are the people who want to hear about advanced statistics and baseball. Most people just want to be entertained, which is why reality TV is so popular. EDIT: Also, obviously, the most important things to all viewers is winning because that is more entertaining than losing.
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Post by nomar on Aug 25, 2015 10:34:33 GMT -5
Conspiracy theorists should absolutely be concerned about Tom Caron's power plays among staff, and his efforts to squeeze Fox Network and Fox personnel into regular NESN programming. A disturbing and predictive trend which may account for this and future.change. Elaborate
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Post by rafael on Aug 25, 2015 10:43:56 GMT -5
First big mistake of the Dombrowski era.
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Post by costpet on Aug 25, 2015 11:02:08 GMT -5
Would love to see Eck be the color guy. I love his insights on the pitching. Jim Palmer does the color in Baltimore and he's amazing on pitching analysis. As for play by play, just give me the cheese.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 11:04:52 GMT -5
Would love to see Eck be the color guy. I love his insights on the pitching. Jim Palmer does the color in Baltimore and he's amazing on pitching analysis. As for play by play, just give me the cheese. Eck gets old quick. I think he understands advanced stats less than Remy. And when I say advanced stats, I mean he doesn't realize that walking is a desirable trait for a hitter.
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Post by gerry on Aug 25, 2015 11:08:03 GMT -5
Elaborating. Fox TV is a heavily funded component of the Murdoch media empire, which has a long track record of insinuating itself into existing venues with an eye to owning a market. Examples include the clever 3rd party purchase of the NYT in Australia/NZ, the politically influential Wall St Journal, the contractual blackouts of Sox and other teams across the country in contracts favoring regional Fox outlets despite contracts with NESN subscribers, etc. In general, media (including print) have waged war against Fox/Murdoch practices for decades, and often lost for lack of this corporate skillset and warchest.
Last year NESN began featuring game time weather reports by local TV stations throughout the region. In typical fashion, Fox reports were emblazened with the Fox logo, while other stations did not abuse what was apparently an agreement, as Fox reduced its logo presence. But, predictably, Fox has become the dominant weather reporters, and tbis year NBC etc have virtually disappeared from NESN weather reports while the Fox sports guy is an increasingly regular presence in the booth, at the studio and on the field. These are fairly traditional patterns for Fox (gameplan, warchest, market dominance); as are dynamically enhanced igraphics & music scores, as well as hand picked "random" focus groups to "guide" content, attitude, writers and actors. Nothimg new here, except as it has applied to media influence and acquisition for at least 30 years .
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 25, 2015 11:10:55 GMT -5
I don't actually care whether guys in the booth are into advanced stats. I understand that I'm in a minority group in the way I enjoy the game and I know what outlets I can go to discuss that stuff. I want my announcers to be prepared and engaging. Someone who can appeal to me but also my mother, you know? It's possible to incorporate some advanced stats stuff into a good broadcast - the Mets do it pretty well, for instance - but it's not vital.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 25, 2015 11:13:24 GMT -5
Orsillo is being replaced, not "laid off." I have thought that Orsillo and Remy spend WAY too much time talking about silly stuff instead of the game. I am sure that a minority of the viewers do not mind endless rambling about parking spaces, hair, restaurants and clothing choices, but it is frustrating and boring to those who would like more focus on the game. There have been countless times when something interesting has happened on the field that Don and Jerry treat as a distraction as they giggle their way through a discussion of mildly amusing personal adventures. Jerry is a disaster. Don failed to keep a sharp focus on baseball. Don is a very good play-by-play announcer, but only when Jerry is not in the booth. I have to disagree with you here. I would bet that a majority of viewers prefer that sort of talk. The minority are the people who want to hear about advanced statistics and baseball. Most people just want to be entertained, which is why reality TV is so popular.EDIT: Also, obviously, the most important things to all viewers is winning because that is more entertaining than losing. Honestly if you have NESN you have about 500 other cable channels. If people like reality TV more than they like baseball, then they're not watching baseball. Appeals to a "general audience" are misguided because a "general audience" basically hasn't existed for a decade.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 25, 2015 11:16:17 GMT -5
I don't actually care whether guys in the booth are into advanced stats. I understand that I'm in a minority group in the way I enjoy the game and I know what outlets I can go to discuss that stuff. I want my announcers to be prepared and engaging. Someone who can appeal to me but also my mother, you know? It's possible to incorporate some advanced stats stuff into a good broadcast - the Mets do it pretty well, for instance - but it's not vital. I don't know a single "casual fan" who turns on Red Sox games to hear the announcers BS about non-baseball stuff. If anything they're actually more put off by it because they're the ones who rely on analysis from the booth. The goal should be to engage casual fans with the game, not distract them from it.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 25, 2015 11:20:04 GMT -5
I don't actually care whether guys in the booth are into advanced stats. I understand that I'm in a minority group in the way I enjoy the game and I know what outlets I can go to discuss that stuff. I want my announcers to be prepared and engaging. Someone who can appeal to me but also my mother, you know? It's possible to incorporate some advanced stats stuff into a good broadcast - the Mets do it pretty well, for instance - but it's not vital. This. Given the constant whining about Orsillo/Remy in the gameday threads, I'm surprised there is even this much backlash here. But I agree with James. When I want advanced analysis, honestly I come here or other online sources. Baseball is such a long game with such a long season, that I certainly don't need a steady stream of sophisticated insights from the broadcast booth. I need something that is going to allow my wife to put the game on in the background as much as I do. Let me just say, my wife didn't take the news lightly today. Also, do we have enough info on the situation to know if the thread title is accurate?
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Post by incandenza on Aug 25, 2015 11:27:12 GMT -5
I don't actually care whether guys in the booth are into advanced stats. I understand that I'm in a minority group in the way I enjoy the game and I know what outlets I can go to discuss that stuff. I want my announcers to be prepared and engaging. Someone who can appeal to me but also my mother, you know? It's possible to incorporate some advanced stats stuff into a good broadcast - the Mets do it pretty well, for instance - but it's not vital. This is exactly why I think Dave O'Brien is great, despite the fact that he still seems to think that pitcher wins are an important stat, for instance. Meanwhile, I watch very few of the NESN broadcasts, but when I watch highlights on MLB Remy's analysis comes off as hilariously useless - all he does is just literally describe what's happening in the replay: "Fastball to Ortiz, who hits it hard off the wall, then the fielder gets the ball and throws it toward home, but it is too late and the runner scores, and Ortiz is standing on 2nd, and he looks pleased, whereas the pitcher is unhappy because he gave up a run, and now the next batter will come up to bat..." etc. Plus Remy seems kind of grouchy, other than when he's babbling inanely about what is apparently his especially boring life. I don't understand why he appeals to anybody.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 25, 2015 11:40:29 GMT -5
Pretty sure MLB highlights don't include Remy's commentary. He's nothing like you just described.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 11:41:25 GMT -5
I like Don, but it's utterly absurd how many people have been saying something along the lines of "Don and Remy are what made watching the games worth it the last couple years."
If you ever find yourself watching a 3-hour baseball game solely for the announcers, then you're a nitwit who should be institutionalized.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 25, 2015 11:44:15 GMT -5
Pretty sure MLB highlights don't include Remy's commentary. He's nothing like you just described. Sorry, on mlb.com I meant - it shows the highlights with the broadcaster's play-by-play and commentary. I hardly ever hear Remy say anything remotely insightful.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 11:44:33 GMT -5
I don't actually care whether guys in the booth are into advanced stats. I understand that I'm in a minority group in the way I enjoy the game and I know what outlets I can go to discuss that stuff. I want my announcers to be prepared and engaging. Someone who can appeal to me but also my mother, you know? It's possible to incorporate some advanced stats stuff into a good broadcast - the Mets do it pretty well, for instance - but it's not vital. It's not so much advanced stats. It's just perpetuating the stupidity of baseball fans, like calling for bunts and hit and runs and ERA and wins and RBIs and batting average. It really doesn't take much to educate fans in the most basic way so we can get smarter as a fanbase. You don't have to inundate viewers with xFIP and wRC+, but a guy with 20 HRs and a .280 OBP sucks and shouldn't be praised. And also - stop justifying moves that are based on matchups of 3 plate appearences.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 25, 2015 11:48:11 GMT -5
I really like Orsillo. Not sure who is calling the shots here but when it's him and Eck there are few better on the air.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 25, 2015 12:03:17 GMT -5
Mike Lynch @lynchiewcvb 8s8 seconds ago Disappointed to confirm Don Orsillo out at NESN at end of season to be replaced by Dave O'Brien
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 25, 2015 12:16:37 GMT -5
one can only hope they send Remy out with him Rumor is that Remy will be phased out over the next year or two.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 25, 2015 12:30:18 GMT -5
I really like Orsillo. Not sure who is calling the shots here but when it's him and Eck there are few better on the air. LONG LIVE ECK. FO just doesn't have the heart to finishing the job and get rid of Remy. Don't blame them after all that he's been through.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 25, 2015 12:48:23 GMT -5
Mike Lynch @lynchiewcvb 8s8 seconds ago Disappointed to confirm Don Orsillo out at NESN at end of season to be replaced by Dave O'BrienHopefully this part is true.
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