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8/28-8/30 Red Sox @ Mets Series Thread
ianrs
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Post by ianrs on Aug 30, 2015 14:28:07 GMT -5
Robbie Ross Jr.: The best post-ASG reliever on the 2015 Red Sox. Seriously, while Breslow and Ogando have to go, I wouldn't mind seeing Ross back with the team next year. Agreed. I'm really not sure why he was taken out there for Hembree given how thin this bullpen is...
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 30, 2015 14:28:03 GMT -5
West called three clear strikes as balls in the Wright and Cuddyer AB's.
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Post by jmei on Aug 30, 2015 14:30:26 GMT -5
Robbie Ross Jr.: The best post-ASG reliever on the 2015 Red Sox. Seriously, while Breslow and Ogando have to go, I wouldn't mind seeing Ross back with the team next year. I actually think the BP is in better shape than most think. Between Uehara, Tazawa, Ross, and Layne, that's four useful-to-better relievers, and Wright can be your long man (he'll be out of options and is unlikely to crack the rotation). They still need two high-leverage guys, but that's something you can add in an offseason.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 30, 2015 14:31:21 GMT -5
I saw that West can't bend down far enough.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 30, 2015 14:31:24 GMT -5
Honest question: do the Red Sox bring back any relievers? I'd be fine with them releasing the entire collection of bums?
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Post by geostorm on Aug 30, 2015 14:32:25 GMT -5
I was hoping we could avoid a Joe West show this series. How is he still an umpire? Heard Dave O'Brien (or Joe Castig) mentioned on the radio broadcast earlier towards the start of the game that he is usually not part of this crew, but that he appears here today towards expediting his reaching 5000 game benchmark, fwiw
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 30, 2015 14:34:27 GMT -5
Same thing with MLB umpires. They should all be deported.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 30, 2015 14:35:52 GMT -5
I was hoping we could avoid a Joe West show this series. How is he still an umpire? Heard Dave O'Brien (or Joe Castig) mentioned on the radio broadcast earlier towards the start of the game that he is usually not part of this crew, but that he appears here today towards expediting his reaching 5000 game benchmark, fwiw Hmm, well it's good to know the MLB still operates *** backwards.
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Post by geostorm on Aug 30, 2015 14:38:25 GMT -5
This team is nothing without Big Papi. Speaking of...while he may reach 30 HRs for the season, 100 RBI seems a bit out of reach (point being, no one at his current age, in MLB history, not name Barry Bonds, has ever had a 30 HR 100 RBI season) Say Papi was not available next season...strictly "between the lines"...odds Hanley could approximate or exceed, as DH, in 2016, what you would expect from a 40 yo Papi?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 30, 2015 14:45:08 GMT -5
For as good as the results have been for Kelly over the last 5 starts, I don't think the peripherals match. His LOB% for his last 5 starts is 91.2% which is unsustainable and his K-BB% is 9.1 which isn't great. His ERA was 1.69, but his xFIP has been only slightly lower than it has been all season at 4.04. It seems that he's getting as lucky now as he was unlucky earlier. Sure, but a 4.04 xFIP, especially with Fenway as your home park, is pretty solid-- slightly above league-average (AL average starter ERA is 4.11 this year). Kelly is not one to go deep into games, which hurts his value some, but a league average (or slightly below-average) guy is pretty great as your 6th or 7th starter, and he might be more valuable in that role than he would be as a reliever. Yes. But that's all it is so far, not anything more than that. That was the point I was making. I'd still risk a 5th starter spot on him since he'll still have an option next year.
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Post by thursty on Aug 30, 2015 14:56:06 GMT -5
hmm, bogaerts for Syndergaard and Wheeler?
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Post by ethanbein on Aug 30, 2015 14:57:46 GMT -5
Woooooooo bunting with the platoon advantage...
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 30, 2015 14:58:11 GMT -5
Stop. Bunting.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 30, 2015 15:00:52 GMT -5
So glad we had DeAza in there over JBJ today.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 30, 2015 15:01:49 GMT -5
So glad we had DeAza in there over JBJ today. I mean the weird thing is, it would have made total sense to go with Mookie-JBJ-Castillo after JBJ pinch hit. But no, of course not.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 30, 2015 15:03:25 GMT -5
hmm, bogaerts for Syndergaard and Wheeler? Both of them? Sure.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 30, 2015 15:03:28 GMT -5
Joe West is a piece of garbage.
Can that moron retire already?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 30, 2015 15:16:32 GMT -5
So glad we had DeAza in there over JBJ today. I mean the weird thing is, it would have made total sense to go with Mookie-JBJ-Castillo after JBJ pinch hit. But no, of course not. That'd be a double-switch, moving the pitcher *up* in the order ... not generally a good idea. But in this case, it would've been fine. Shaw would've pinch-hit for the pitcher in De Aza's spot, then JBJ would've been on deck. Anyway, that was a good game, hard fought between two teams that both looked like good teams (although the Mets defense was a little shaky). A great thing about all the young players is that they're all good athletes, fast on the bases. That inning with Swihart running around the bases, JBJ stealing third, and Mookie's taking the extra base on his triple was fund to watch. I thought there was no way I was going to go see the Sox up in Camden Yards in September, but now I'm gonna go.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 30, 2015 16:31:46 GMT -5
This team is nothing without Big Papi. Speaking of...while he may reach 30 HRs for the season, 100 RBI seems a bit out of reach (point being, no one at his current age, in MLB history, not name Barry Bonds, has ever had a 30 HR 100 RBI season) Say Papi was not available next season...strictly "between the lines"...odds Hanley could approximate or exceed, as DH, in 2016, what you would expect from a 40 yo Papi? .265/.370/.505 27 HRs, barring i njury
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 30, 2015 16:34:34 GMT -5
I mean the weird thing is, it would have made total sense to go with Mookie-JBJ-Castillo after JBJ pinch hit. But no, of course not. That'd be a double-switch, moving the pitcher *up* in the order ... not generally a good idea. But in this case, it would've been fine. Shaw would've pinch-hit for the pitcher in De Aza's spot, then JBJ would've been on deck.
Anyway, that was a good game, hard fought between two teams that both looked like good teams (although the Mets defense was a little shaky). A great thing about all the young players is that they're all good athletes, fast on the bases. That inning with Swihart running around the bases, JBJ stealing third, and Mookie's taking the extra base on his triple was fund to watch. I thought there was no way I was going to go see the Sox up in Camden Yards in September, but now I'm gonna go. Exactly. I know why they didn't do it, since they're highlighting De Aza, but I was hoping that Bradley would get another shot. Oh well. So Ross takes the loss, which goes to show you how useless that statistic can be. That was all on Hembree. I'm in agreement with jmei, that a few well-targeted options for the bullpen would tighten it up. They've started down the path to cleaning up the lineup, what with Swihart being bought up, JBJ delivering, and Shaw a solid option. I think they're a long way down the road to next year. But that road will have to include those bullpen guys and some serious thought about the starting rotation. Buchholz had such lousy luck with the defense, that I would have liked to see him play with this outfield upgrade. It wasn't to be, and they may not be able to count on the guy for more than a half season next year, that's been the track record. If they feel they can't, they need to replace his production, in addition to FAs/trades they're looking to do. And yes, the strikezone was very funky. It was 3"-4" wide away from the plate to left-handed hitters. Probably makes it very tough for guys who focus on selectivity. You lose your compass at that point and that puts hitters at a real disadvantage. I hope MLB will do something about it. We'll see I guess.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 30, 2015 16:59:05 GMT -5
Joe West ruined another perfectly good baseball game. Glad we're not fighting for a playoff spot. Wonder what would've happened if we had the bases loaded with no outs. Have to think we would've got at least one out of that.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 30, 2015 17:01:21 GMT -5
Didn't see today's game, but Mets Twitter seems just as angry with West as my Red Sox contingency. Joe West is such a jerk that everyone hated him even when he was a competent umpire. Now that he isn't that either, he's the single worst thing about baseball.
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Post by nomar on Aug 30, 2015 17:06:49 GMT -5
Angel Hernandez is bad too
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 30, 2015 17:11:30 GMT -5
Didn't see today's game, but Mets Twitter seems just as angry with West as my Red Sox contingency. Joe West is such a jerk that everyone hated him even when he was a competent umpire. Now that he isn't that either, he's the single worst thing about baseball. The horrible calls that went our way were early in the game. The horrible calls that went for the Mets came in the 9th.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 30, 2015 17:32:09 GMT -5
Didn't see today's game, but Mets Twitter seems just as angry with West as my Red Sox contingency. Joe West is such a jerk that everyone hated him even when he was a competent umpire. Now that he isn't that either, he's the single worst thing about baseball. I did like Joe West when he made the correct calls on Dave Roberts swiping 2b in Game 4 of 2004 ALCS and when he correctly called interference on A-Rod in Game 6 of the 2004 ALCS when the 1b umpire couldn't see what had happened because Mientkiewicz had blocked his view. Other than that....yeah what you said about Joe West.
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