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8/28-8/30 Red Sox @ Mets Series Thread
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Post by gerry on Aug 29, 2015 19:25:59 GMT -5
Really liking this team. It is very young, surprisingly young, and full of promise, not just 22-25 yr old Betts, XB, JBJ, Owens, Rodriguez, Swihart but also the "older" guys like 26-29 yr old Barnes, Castillo, Johnson, Holt, Kelly, Miley, Ross, Sandoval, Shaw, Tazawa, Vasquez, Workman. 18 players in their 20's plus Hanigan, Papi, Pedeu, Koji, they are good, energetic, aggressive, smart, and fun to watch. And they are winning. Dave D. Doesn't need to do a whole lot, and he has tons of "trade chips" and $$$ to get er done. Yayyy Sox.
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 29, 2015 19:31:11 GMT -5
With our young core guys on the field, the defense is really really good. Fun to watch. With an actual Outfield, now when there's a fly ball, I expect an out. Before, when there was a fly ball I was thinking trouble. And I'm only a spectator. Imagine how the pitchers feel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:40:22 GMT -5
No knock on Pedroia, but this team is playing just fine without him.
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Post by station13 on Aug 29, 2015 19:44:40 GMT -5
Who can we expect for September call up? Short list this time?
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Post by jchang on Aug 29, 2015 19:50:17 GMT -5
I think every good/ready player has already been called up. Barnes escobar. Maybe noe.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 29, 2015 19:55:26 GMT -5
Who can we expect for September call up? Short list this time? Yeah, nothing too exciting. Marrero, Cecchini and Leon for position players. Some combination of Barnes, Aro, Cook, Escobar, and Noe Ramirez for pitchers. Since its inconsequential to the luxury tax, they may add Allen Craig and call him up as well.
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Post by gerry on Aug 29, 2015 20:30:43 GMT -5
No knock on Pedroia, but this team is playing just fine without him. True, but we are also playing well without Buchholz, Koji, Vasquez, Workman, Wright and will be playing better with them. So, in 2016, what we have seen since before the the ASB, only more mature and confident "kids", and healthy Pedey, Koji, etc., plus some new pitcbing, etc. In my haste, I neglected to add Porcello and Rutledge to the list, who are becoming better than we expected. Wish it were May.
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Post by m1keyboots on Aug 29, 2015 21:14:07 GMT -5
if Pedey is healthy, and panda is making plays like he has for a month now, and xander stays consistent and sometimes makes the tougher plays....with that outfield.(I really believe rusneys mistakes are him in a new environment and pressing) it feels like the Royals if we fix up first and papi continues to rake (40% hard hit ball rate, almost as many xbh as singles and even his singles are off the wall half the time). Even swihart who admittedly looks lost at times behind the plate but obviously has the tools to be plus (not to mention Vasquez who could hunt deer with his arm, and frames pitches like voodoo) it's starting to feel like the Royals without the rotation or the pen. Which is like, halfway there! yay!
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 29, 2015 23:06:38 GMT -5
White Sox were just 13-10 in home games started by Samardzija (6-5) and Sale (7-5), which surprised me.
But the Mets were 10-2 in home games started by Harvey and 9-3 in games started by deGrom. So the three-game win streak is against teams that were 26-10 with their respective pitchers on the mound.
They're 9-1 in home games started by Thor. We'll see.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 30, 2015 5:46:29 GMT -5
Props to Cy Kelly. Last five starts: 32IP, 26H, 7R, 6ER, 22/10 K/BB 6.1 IP/GS, 101.4 Pit/GS, 1.125 WHIP, 1.69 ERA Doesn't look now like he will have to go to the bull pen. It was obvious all along that his upside as a starter is too great to send him to the bullpen while he still has options, I've said it several times. But this board always gets hit by nauseating amounts of recency bias.
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Post by thursty on Aug 30, 2015 6:07:28 GMT -5
If you're enough of a fan to post here, you're enough of a fan to know it's spelled VAZQUEZ
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Post by thursty on Aug 30, 2015 6:08:57 GMT -5
Doesn't look now like he will have to go to the bull pen. It was obvious all along that his upside as a starter is too great to send him to the bullpen while he still has options, I've said it several times. But this board always gets hit by nauseating amounts of recency bias. He's a reliever
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Post by geostorm on Aug 30, 2015 6:31:48 GMT -5
Doesn't look now like he will have to go to the bull pen. It was obvious all along that his upside as a starter is too great to send him to the bullpen while he still has options, I've said it several times. But this board always gets hit by nauseating amounts of recency bias.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 30, 2015 7:41:28 GMT -5
It was obvious all along that his upside as a starter is too great to send him to the bullpen while he still has options, I've said it several times. But this board always gets hit by nauseating amounts of recency bias. He's a reliever There just aren't that many guys who can hold their velocity at 100+ pitches. That, and his secondary pitches, when he commands them, are good to very good. He can drive people crazy, I know he drives me crazy, but when he pitches like this, the FO is probably going to continue to use him as a starter. The MLB.com wrapup for the game had him as the first Sox starter since Pedro Martinez to win six games in one month, and the first since Roger Clemens to do it in August. He doesn't belong with those guys but there he is.
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Post by malynn19 on Aug 30, 2015 8:23:21 GMT -5
DeGrom vs Sandoval wasn't even fair. You're right... Panda got him out of there.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 30, 2015 10:37:52 GMT -5
Who can we expect for September call up? Short list this time? Yeah, nothing too exciting. Marrero, Cecchini and Leon for position players. Some combination of Barnes, Aro, Cook, Escobar, and Noe Ramirez for pitchers. Since its inconsequential to the luxury tax, they may add Allen Craig and call him up as well. Doesn't everyone who gets called up have to be on the 40?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 30, 2015 10:39:46 GMT -5
M Betts CF P Sandoval 3B X Bogaerts SS D Ortiz 1B B Holt 2B R Castillo RF B Swihart C A De Aza LF W Miley P
Miley career hitting: .149 .182 .190 .372 Syndergaard bats left career: .182 .182 .303 .485
rotoworld "Ryan Hanigan (calf) remained out of the Red Sox' lineup Sunday. He's missed two straight starts with a tight calf, although it's not believed to be serious. "
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 30, 2015 10:50:50 GMT -5
Yeah, nothing too exciting. Marrero, Cecchini and Leon for position players. Some combination of Barnes, Aro, Cook, Escobar, and Noe Ramirez for pitchers. Since its inconsequential to the luxury tax, they may add Allen Craig and call him up as well. Doesn't everyone who gets called up have to be on the 40? Yes. Which means they would need to add Leon and Craig in the above scenario. I believe the 40-man is currently at 38.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 30, 2015 10:54:53 GMT -5
the next 48 hours: trades and call ups. why do I get the impression that this board cares more about it than Dombrowski? I refuse to play.
Except it is time for Breslow to go away ...
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Post by jmei on Aug 30, 2015 10:58:07 GMT -5
Yeah, nothing too exciting. Marrero, Cecchini and Leon for position players. Some combination of Barnes, Aro, Cook, Escobar, and Noe Ramirez for pitchers. Since its inconsequential to the luxury tax, they may add Allen Craig and call him up as well. Doesn't everyone who gets called up have to be on the 40? Sure, but they have two open spots as of right now, De Aza might be traded, and Pedroia and Uehara can go on the 60-day DL. That's more than enough room-- Leon and Craig are the only guys on the above list who need to be added to the 40-man, and maybe you want to give Rule 5-eligible guys that you're going to protect anyways like Marco Hernandez or Pat Light an early taste of the majors (though the previous front office has generally only called up a handful of guys who would get into games, and early indications suggest this front office will take a similar approach).
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 30, 2015 11:17:15 GMT -5
I can't remember the specifics about keeping Craig's salary off the luxury tax next year, but that's the most important issue I'd think. If they can option and designate him again, then my hesitance is wrong.
I'd rather take a look at Marban than another look at Craig if I had to choose.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 30, 2015 11:25:04 GMT -5
2014 38 2013 40 2012 36 2011 38 2010 ? 2009 37 2008 35 2007 33 2006 36 ?
the myth of "only a few players are added." That is the end of season active roster count. I hope they add 4 to 6 players for the Yankees on 1st and 2nd.
Salem, Portland, Pawsox play games that matter to nobody. Except Pawsox vs. Rochester on 3rd and 4th.
EDIT: I don't know how many of the AA & AAA DL players are ready to be active on 9-1. Because Lowell is short-handed and cannot be the source to replace the empty roster spots due to call-ups.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 30, 2015 11:26:05 GMT -5
It was obvious all along that his upside as a starter is too great to send him to the bullpen while he still has options, I've said it several times. But this board always gets hit by nauseating amounts of recency bias. No it wasn't. And your talking about other people with recency bias, he's had some great RECENT success. I will gladly eat crow if he becomes a top of the rotation starter, but his performance led people to want to put him in the pen.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 30, 2015 11:38:03 GMT -5
It was obvious all along that his upside as a starter is too great to send him to the bullpen while he still has options, I've said it several times. But this board always gets hit by nauseating amounts of recency bias. No it wasn't. And your talking about other people with recency bias, he's had some great RECENT success. I will gladly eat crow if he becomes a top of the rotation starter, but his performance led people to want to put him in the pen. Yep, and while some may have gone all the way from demanding he be put in the bullpen to wanting to pencil him in for the rotation next year, I'm sticking to what I said earlier: he should start next year in Pawtucket and be #6 or #7 on the SP depth chart. And if you couldn't see his upside in his first few starts this year, that's too bad for you, but I could and I wasn't the only one.
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Post by jchang on Aug 30, 2015 11:43:47 GMT -5
There just aren't that many guys who can hold their velocity at 100+ pitches. That, and his secondary pitches, when he commands them, are good to very good. He can drive people crazy, I know he drives me crazy, but when he pitches like this, the FO is probably going to continue to use him as a starter. The MLB.com wrapup for the game had him as the first Sox starter since Pedro Martinez to win six games in one month, and the first since Roger Clemens to do it in August. He doesn't belong with those guys but there he is. Kelly also works really cheap, more so than any available starting pitcher that will be on the free agent market. Even Miley is cheaper than a free agent. This is important to offset any dead wood on the roster burning huge cap space, with little contribution.
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