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9/11-9/13 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 9, 2015 14:03:23 GMT -5
9/11 Red Sox (LHP Wade Miley 11-10 4.43) @ Rays (RHP Chris Archer 12-11 2.88) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI9/12 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez 9-5 4.05) @ Rays (LHP Matt Moore 1-3 8.04) 6:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI9/13 Red Sox (RHP Rick Porcello 7-12 5.12) @ Rays (LHP Drew Smyly 2-2 3.59) 1:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by threeifbaerga on Sept 11, 2015 7:30:05 GMT -5
Not that I want the Rays to have more good young pitching but I'm disappointed in Matt Moore's struggles. Is this his first year back from TJ?
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 11, 2015 8:30:59 GMT -5
I think the Rays in one way get credit for the money they have allocated and they do more with less but to me I think there more a disappointment and they had a huge opportunity to restock the organization and they failed. I think one year they had like ten picks in the first two rounds. It was the last year with the old compensation rules . They took full advantage of that rule. But In one hand you let go of a lot of talent and draft a lot of kids ,then there are gonna take at least 3 to 5 years to pan out.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 11, 2015 8:41:41 GMT -5
Not that I want the Rays to have more good young pitching but I'm disappointed in Matt Moore's struggles. Is this his first year back from TJ? Yes.....and don't forget Alex Cobb is going through the whole thing currently. The Rays have some nice arms and they have a top prospect/pitcher on the horizon in Blake Snell. If Cobb and Moore can come back strongly, Smiley be himself, Ordorizi keep being solid, and Archer keeps getting better.....you've got a nice thing going. Nate Karns has also been OK. The problem, for a while, has been scoring runs. When your top producer is someone like Logan Forcytte you can see what they are up against each and every night.
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Post by charliezink16 on Sept 11, 2015 8:56:43 GMT -5
The Sox site has it listed as Miley, Porcello, Rich Hill.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 11, 2015 8:58:56 GMT -5
I'd love to see them switch to the Betts / Bradley / Castillo alignment for this road trip and the next homestand, and then switch back to the Castillo / Betts / Bradley alignment for the final road trip. Get a look at each alignment both at home and on the road, and also see if switching them back and forth disrupts their play.
More likely, the two-alignment option is not on the table, in which case they absolutely need to switch to the Betts / Bradley / Castillo alignment after this trip and go with it until the end of the season.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 11, 2015 9:05:11 GMT -5
23 games left, only 7 games back of the second WC. Weirder things have happened.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 11, 2015 9:33:52 GMT -5
I'd love to see them switch to the Betts / Bradley / Castillo alignment for this road trip and the next homestand, and then switch back to the Castillo / Betts / Bradley alignment for the final road trip. Get a look at each alignment both at home and on the road, and also see if switching them back and forth disrupts their play. More likely, the two-alignment option is not on the table, in which case they absolutely need to switch to the Betts / Bradley / Castillo alignment after this trip and go with it until the end of the season. I'm surprised they haven't placed Betts in a corner yet. It seems Castillo has taken quite well to left in Fenway. We have so little time left. Betts has played right before, just not this season. What are they waiting for? I get the idea of keeping Bradley in right because of his arm, but Betts has an OK arm and certainly can cover the great expanse of right field. I sincerely believe Mookie should be playing, at least, right for the remainder of the season. IMO Bradley, the superior outfielder, should be positioned in center field going forward. Lets get all 3 comfortable NOW!
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Post by gerry on Sept 11, 2015 9:46:27 GMT -5
23 games left, only 7 games back of the second WC. Weirder things have happened. Wish we had more time to see Castillo work The Wall, and use his arm at Fenway. With the three wall balls Wed. Nite (quick response off the bat, direct routes and speed to the ball, excellent pivot and release to the infield with that gun of his) as well as the catch in Left-center, he played the position like he belongs there. After years of Manny, Bay, Jhonny, Hanley and subs, watching center-fielder Rusney Castillo play LF with allstar abandon and skills is as exciting as watching center fielders Mookie and JBJ cover CH and RF. IMO Rusney (Brusney of the killer -B's) is showing he belongs in LF. The three of them (Betts, Bradley, Brusney ... plus Brockstar) together could develop into a force far greater than their already amazing individual selves. It is possible that all they have contributed to this winning team over the past month+ is merely prelude to what they will accomplish, offensively as well as defensively, in 2016 and beyond. I hope Dave sees this and lets this and lets this force develop organically.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 11, 2015 10:30:13 GMT -5
Of the three OF, I don't want Betts in RF on a regular basis, just because that's where the arm is most important. I also feel strongly that each player should really only need to learn two spots (that covers you for any situation, without over-taxing the players, assuming you have someone you can comfortably slot into LF).
I really like the Castillo/Betts/Bradley alignment at home, and the Betts/Bradely/Castillo alignment on the road. Would that be too weird to be changing things up each series? I'm talking about going forward to next year.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 11, 2015 10:30:23 GMT -5
One of Castillo's lightning quick one-handed catch and throws, which kept the hitter to a single, was quickly followed by a DP. That's real value in that he helped generate an out that wouldn't have happened otherwise. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Sox have a winning record ever since they made the decision to go with Betts, Bradley and Castillo.
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Post by jmei on Sept 11, 2015 10:38:33 GMT -5
I tend to think of the outfield alignment question like lineup orders. It's fun to discuss, but ultimately, it won't affect things that much. Assuming that either Betts or Bradley is in CF and Castillo is in a corner (which noone disagrees about), I can't see the difference between the optimal alignment and a sub-optimal alignment being more than a handful of runs a year. When you have three center fielders out there, no matter what configuration you put them in, chances are good things will happen.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 11, 2015 13:07:32 GMT -5
23 games left, only 7 games back of the second WC. Weirder things have happened. Realistically though, the Sox would probably have to win 20 of their remaining 23 to have a shot. That's asking a hell of a lot -- the bullpen as configured now probably figures to give 3 games away between now and the end of the season all by itself.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 11, 2015 14:33:23 GMT -5
I tend to think of the outfield alignment question like lineup orders. It's fun to discuss, but ultimately, it won't affect things that much. Assuming that either Betts or Bradley is in CF and Castillo is in a corner (which noone disagrees about), I can't see the difference between the optimal alignment and a sub-optimal alignment being more than a handful of runs a year. When you have three center fielders out there, no matter what configuration you put them in, chances are good things will happen. This is a really good point, and argues against the idea of switching them continually during the season. They could go with Betts / Bradley / Castillo all year and use the current alignment in Fenway in the post-season. They should still give the Betts in LF version a nice trial this year. I especially want to see how his ability, as an ex-infielder, to charge groundball hits aggressively (a point made by someone earlier), plays up in LF, with his quick release and accurate arm, -- especially in Fenway where he's several steps closer to begin with.
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Post by ethanbein on Sept 11, 2015 15:19:12 GMT -5
I tend to think of the outfield alignment question like lineup orders. It's fun to discuss, but ultimately, it won't affect things that much. Assuming that either Betts or Bradley is in CF and Castillo is in a corner (which noone disagrees about), I can't see the difference between the optimal alignment and a sub-optimal alignment being more than a handful of runs a year. When you have three center fielders out there, no matter what configuration you put them in, chances are good things will happen. I agree, but another way of putting this is they could pay an analyst a million dollars a year solely to figure out the optimal outfield alignment, and still come out ahead.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 11, 2015 15:29:12 GMT -5
BETTS HOLT 2B XANDER ORTIZ SHAW PABLO CASTILLO HANIGAN BRADLEY RF
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 11, 2015 15:30:15 GMT -5
I tend to think of the outfield alignment question like lineup orders. It's fun to discuss, but ultimately, it won't affect things that much. Assuming that either Betts or Bradley is in CF and Castillo is in a corner (which noone disagrees about), I can't see the difference between the optimal alignment and a sub-optimal alignment being more than a handful of runs a year. When you have three center fielders out there, no matter what configuration you put them in, chances are good things will happen. This is a really good point, and argues against the idea of switching them continually during the season. They could go with Betts / Bradley / Castillo all year and use the current alignment in Fenway in the post-season. They should still give the Betts in LF version a nice trial this year. I especially want to see how his ability, as an ex-infielder, to charge groundball hits aggressively (a point made by someone earlier), plays up in LF, with his quick release and accurate arm, -- especially in Fenway where he's several steps closer to begin with. When they started talking about the alignment, I had a mild lean toward Betts in LF. LF is small, so things happen quickly, and I thought the former infielder with the great acceleration would be perfect out there to move laterally, charge balls, and just generally cover the relatively short distances very quickly. But I gotta say, Castillo looks like a force out there in his own right. He looked better out there than any Sox outfielder in years, looked like I thought Crawford would look. In the end, I'm pretty much with jmei, though. It's not a big deal. I'd put JBJ in CF because he's a cut above everyone else, and then have Betts/Castillo go rock-paper-scissors to see which one gets to chose where they play.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 11, 2015 15:35:08 GMT -5
I agree, but another way of putting this is they could pay an analyst a million dollars a year solely to figure out the optimal outfield alignment, an still come out ahead. I'll do it for half a million... can you say SURPLUS VALUE?
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Post by thursty on Sept 11, 2015 16:36:37 GMT -5
So all of those in favor of moving Mookie out of CF are advocates of having Marrero playing SS when and if he gets a start, right? Logic dictates it.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Sept 11, 2015 16:50:30 GMT -5
So all of those in favor of moving Mookie out of CF are advocates of having Marrero playing SS when and if he gets a start, right? Logic dictates it. Marrero shouldn't start anywhere.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Sept 11, 2015 18:22:46 GMT -5
JBJ WOULD HAVE caught that.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 11, 2015 18:23:06 GMT -5
So some people suggested Kiermaier might be as good as or better than JBJ. NESN just had a nice shot of him hesitating, unsure which way to run on that Papi liner.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 11, 2015 18:24:38 GMT -5
JBJ WOULD HAVE caught that. LOL I logged to write the exact same comment Great minds...
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Post by radiohix on Sept 11, 2015 18:28:59 GMT -5
Curious to see the fat guy batting line in the 2nd half.
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Post by ianrs on Sept 11, 2015 18:28:57 GMT -5
Can we move Sandoval to 8th or 9th in the order yet? Or maybe send him off to DL land to do some rehab with Hanley to prepare for next season?
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