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Post by klostrophobic on Sept 21, 2015 22:09:30 GMT -5
He just might be as good as Mookie Betts one day soon.
Both gonna be 6 bWAR players next year.
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Post by Gwell55 on Sept 21, 2015 22:12:30 GMT -5
The kids do it again and they are NO LONGER in last place!!!
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Post by dd on Sept 21, 2015 22:13:02 GMT -5
4th place! 5 months ago that would have made be very sad. Now ... I'm likin' it!
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 21, 2015 22:18:05 GMT -5
Phooey. The pen wasn't quite bad enough tonight.
It really must be hilarious trying to manage a bullpen like the Sox are running out there right now. You almost might as well draw names out of a hat. I guess the current question is, can Ross make it to the end of the season without HIS arm falling off?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 21, 2015 22:29:55 GMT -5
Priorities: 1) Beat the Yankees 2) Beat the Yankees 3) Beat the Yankees 4) Save the protected pick We've got four games left with those db's. Hope you don't want them to beat us once
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Post by dd on Sept 21, 2015 22:30:32 GMT -5
Phooey. The pen wasn't quite bad enough tonight. It really must be hilarious trying to manage a bullpen like the Sox are running out there right now. You almost might as well draw names out of a hat. I guess the current question is, can Ross make it to the end of the season without HIS arm falling off? Whatever you drink, ASF, you need more of it. :-) Fun night for the Sox tonight. Wish I could have seen the whole game.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Sept 21, 2015 22:33:27 GMT -5
Two key things should be noted. Mookie hit linedrive single to the opposite field. Xander pull the ball twice for power.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 21, 2015 22:42:12 GMT -5
He just might be as good as Mookie Betts one day soon. Both gonna be 6 bWAR players next year. PA / times made contact between Xander home runs: 226 / 183 (after 6/15 to 8/16) 67 / 54 (after 8/16 to 9/2) 60 / 46 (after 9/2 to 9/19) 12 / 9 (after 9/19 to 9/21) He had 3 HR in his first 457 PA this year (based on full games, rather than going inning-by-inning) and now has 4 in his last 141. My take after the 8/16 HR. I predicted 3 to 4 by season's end if he had been looking for his pitch that day (which now seems quite likely; he was definitely looking for the slider tonight), and that's 3. His power is real and, if not quite yet spectacular for a SS, it's enroute.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 21, 2015 22:46:25 GMT -5
The power is coming back for Xander.
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Post by nomar on Sept 21, 2015 22:48:40 GMT -5
He took a handful of strong hacks tonight compared to his usual waving swing. Good to see.
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Post by thursty on Sept 21, 2015 23:02:04 GMT -5
Two key things should be noted. Mookie hit linedrive single to the opposite field. Xander pull the ball twice for power. and 2BB, only the 3rd time this year. The only nit I could pick with what will end up being a historic offensive year for a 22-year old, is his walk rate (6.7); I have to believe it's just a temporary blip, given his track record and skills
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Post by ramireja on Sept 22, 2015 0:07:15 GMT -5
He just might be as good as Mookie Betts one day soon. Both gonna be 6 bWAR players next year. PA / times made contact between Xander home runs: 226 / 183 (after 6/15 to 8/16) 67 / 54 (after 8/16 to 9/2) 60 / 46 (after 9/2 to 9/19) 12 / 9 (after 9/19 to 9/21) He had 3 HR in his first 457 PA this year (based on full games, rather than going inning-by-inning) and now has 4 in his last 141. My take after the 8/16 HR. I predicted 3 to 4 by season's end if he had been looking for his pitch that day (which now seems quite likely; he was definitely looking for the slider tonight), and that's 3. His power is real and, if not quite yet spectacular for a SS, it's enroute. Is predicting 3 home runs in 140 PA going out on a limb? Is 3 hr in 140 PA evidence of real power? Not saying I don't think he has raw power, or that he will eventually develop into a power hitter of sorts......I'm just not exactly sure we should all give you a pat on the back quite yet.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 22, 2015 0:11:10 GMT -5
I like the way Rodriguez righted himself this game. Lousy first inning, but lights out for the most part after that. He looks and acts like a real competitor, and he's got the pitches to compete.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 22, 2015 0:58:23 GMT -5
PA / times made contact between Xander home runs: 226 / 183 (after 6/15 to 8/16) 67 / 54 (after 8/16 to 9/2) 60 / 46 (after 9/2 to 9/19) 12 / 9 (after 9/19 to 9/21) He had 3 HR in his first 457 PA this year (based on full games, rather than going inning-by-inning) and now has 4 in his last 141. My take after the 8/16 HR. I predicted 3 to 4 by season's end if he had been looking for his pitch that day (which now seems quite likely; he was definitely looking for the slider tonight), and that's 3. His power is real and, if not quite yet spectacular for a SS, it's enroute. Is predicting 3 home runs in 140 PA going out on a limb? Is 3 hr in 140 PA evidence of real power? Not saying I don't think he has raw power, or that he will eventually develop into a power hitter of sorts......I'm just not exactly sure we should all give you a pat on the back quite yet. I linked the 8/16 post because it was essentially a scouting analysis that explained the short-term drop in power. I don't think it's pat-back-worthy to have predicted what's happened; that it did happen and was predictable is only a rebuttal to the Statistically Correct who look only at the results and not how they happened, and hence end up arguing (essentially) that all player variation is random. Which is, BTW, pretty much what you're doing. No, we don't have to limit our take on what is happening (and hence our projection of what will happen) to the results and our knowledge of how much random variation they have. If anyone deserves a pat, it's Thomas Bayes. And BTW, it is 2.5 times as many HRs as expected (1.2) at his previous rate (including the 8/16 HR). The HR/PA split that I cite is statistically significant.
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Post by thursty on Sept 22, 2015 1:49:43 GMT -5
and with that, Bayes rolls in his grave
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 22, 2015 6:40:25 GMT -5
It was really impressive that he hit that HR on a low slider. It was a little outside but got a little too much of the plate. Still, that he yanked it that high was really impressive. He threw the pitch one time too many.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 22, 2015 8:26:00 GMT -5
I didn't get to see much of the game sadly but was curious about Rodriguez' velocity. When he first pitched for the Sox he would throw 95-97 at least for the first 4-5 innings. Lately he has been down a tick or two in the 92-94 range. Initially I thought this might be by pitching coach design as I also had noticed a drop for Kelly even before his last start. So how was his velo last night?
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Post by nomar on Sept 22, 2015 8:32:20 GMT -5
It was really impressive that he hit that HR on a low slider. It was a little outside but got a little too much of the plate. Still, that he yanked it that high was really impressive. He threw the pitch one time too many. Good to know Bogaerts can sit slider and drive it too.
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Post by blizzards39 on Sept 22, 2015 8:46:11 GMT -5
He just might be as good as Mookie Betts one day soon. Both gonna be 6 bWAR players next year. 1- Xander actually passed Mookie 4.4/4.1 in fWAR last night!!! These are going to be 2 great players going forward 2- ERod is a real good pitcher and we can pencil him into that 3 slot next year 3- I don't care about protected pick. I want to finish .500. Need to finish 9-4 4- SOX NEED DAVID PRICE. Look what he has done for the jays.
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Post by michael on Sept 22, 2015 9:11:17 GMT -5
and with that, Bayes rolls in his grave And without researching where he is buried, north or south of the equator we don't know if that's clock or counter clock wise.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 22, 2015 9:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Sept 22, 2015 9:25:07 GMT -5
The fact that Hanley has not yet started at 1B (despite his proclaiming that he's healthy, and with the coaching staff/front office stating that he won't play until he's ready to start at 1B) makes me think the early returns there have not gone too well.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 22, 2015 9:34:50 GMT -5
The fact that Hanley has not yet started at 1B (despite his proclaiming that he's healthy, and with the coaching staff/front office stating that he won't play until he's ready to start at 1B) makes me think the early returns there have not gone too well. Actually, it sounds like he's close fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2015/09/22/hanley-ramirez-suggests-hes-ready-to-start-life-as-first-baseman/Although first base is on the far end of the defensive spectrum, there are certain bits of footwork that are unique to the position. I'm sure Hanley didn't take to them like a fish to water, but I don't think we're quite yet in the realm of his absence being conspicuous.
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Post by jmei on Sept 22, 2015 9:48:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that quote, but it came from Hanley, who in that same article talks about how easy the transition will be. My read is that he wants to get back onto the field, but the coaching staff and front office don't think he's ready and won't want to put him out prematurely for fear of tanking his trade value or his confidence/willingness to play the position next year. That would also explain putting him on the DL despite it being September (and thus not needing to do so for roster spot reasons). Just a hunch.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 22, 2015 10:04:14 GMT -5
Fair.
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