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9/28-10/1 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Sept 28, 2015 20:54:30 GMT -5
All runs were scored by our boys! Banner for the farm system? Hell yeah!
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Post by Guidas on Sept 28, 2015 21:07:05 GMT -5
Great win.
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Post by ianrs on Sept 28, 2015 21:14:16 GMT -5
Four guys who started the year in Pawtucket leading the way for a September win against the Yankees in NY.
Can't beat that.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 28, 2015 21:24:40 GMT -5
... and with the Baltimore loss the Sox are now tied for third place.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 28, 2015 21:32:35 GMT -5
Shaw says we don't need a free agent 1b next year. Let's approach this in another way. Shaw's current offensive profile in his SP summary is rather lukewarm, to say the least. Have we seen enough from him in Boston to significantly change his profile? If so, what specifically would be changed? I'd think the tepid assessment of his raw power would have to be upgraded. What about the concerns about handling top-shelf heat? Or is it considered still to small a sample size to justify a rewrite of his profile?
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 28, 2015 21:38:43 GMT -5
Eduardo Rodriguez finishes the season with a stat line of: 121.2 IP, 120 H, 55 R, 52 ER, 37 BB, 98 K, .254 BAA, 3.85 ERA, 3.94 FIP, 4.07 xFIP, 1.4 fWAR, 2.2 bWAR
Impressive for a 22 year old.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 28, 2015 22:40:29 GMT -5
Eduardo Rodriguez finishes the season with a stat line of: 121.2 IP, 120 H, 55 R, 52 ER, 37 BB, 98 K, .254 BAA, 3.85 ERA, 3.94 FIP, 4.07 xFIP, 1.4 fWAR, 2.2 bWAR Impressive for a 22 year old. He threw a tremendous game tonight. After starting hot before hitting a few bumps, he has been awesome for us.. In my mind, he is a lock for the rotation in 2016. 10 wins by a rookie lefty. Very impressive! Best since Curtis i think.
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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 28, 2015 22:44:44 GMT -5
Another win propelled almost entirely by the young core of the team, vs. the Yankees nonetheless. Impressive showing. Shaw has probably played his way onto the 25 man roster/bench, JBJ has played his way into the starting OF barring a trade, Rodriguez has cemented his spot in the rotation, and Bogaerts/Betts continue to rake. For as bad as the season went as a whole, you couldn't have asked for much more from the young guys. Get them to bump up a bit next year and the vets to their career norms, and the team easily contends, even without a #1 SP addition. Tack on a #1 and the sky is the limit
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Post by gerry on Sept 28, 2015 22:45:45 GMT -5
I just saw this on WEEI: By Rob Bradford NEW YORK — Hanley Ramirez‘ offseason has begun early. The Red Sox first baseman has returned to his Miami-area home, leaving the Red Sox for the remainder of the regular season. It had already been announced last week that Ramirez was being shut down due to continued soreness in his right shoulder. I don't understand why some players injured stay with the team and others don't.Am I missing something? Shouldn't Hanley finish the season with his teammates? There is a reason and procedure for just about everything, but wow! Rehab? Family issues? Paternity leave? Buchholz is there and active. Vasquez never left. I see Taz but not Koji. Would Workman be there? I worry about Wright but have seen him with the team periodically. Panda is home with pneumonia and gets kudos trying to play thru it. Intriguing question
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2015 23:29:36 GMT -5
Shaw says we don't need a free agent 1b next year. Let's approach this in another way. Shaw's current offensive profile in his SP summary is rather lukewarm, to say the least. Have we seen enough from him in Boston to significantly change his profile? If so, what specifically would be changed? I'd think the tepid assessment of his raw power would have to be upgraded. What about the concerns about handling top-shelf heat? Or is it considered still to small a sample size to justify a rewrite of his profile? I'm sure I am in the minority on this one, but I would like to see Shaw play some more 3b. It's supposed to be his natural position. I guess he's not particularly good defensively, but perhaps he'd surprise, sort of the way he has with his bat thus far. I don't know that he'll repeat what he has done next year, but I have better feelings about him than I do our current 3b. I imagine the Sox are going to try to dump one of Hanley or Sandoval and would consider themselves very successful if they rid themselves of one of those contracts. I might be crazy but I truly believe that Hanley's offense fell off the cliff as soon as he got hurt in May playing LF. I believe that Hanley is capable of getting his offense back and that there's a shot that he can be an adequate 1b, or at least a better shot of that than being a LF. Sandoval has been in decline for awhile and will continue to age quickly as his conditioning is still poor and it seems like he has no motivation to change that so I expect him to continue to regress. I would think the Sox would have an easier time dumping Sandoval because he can still play 3b (although not as well as before) and he's still relatively young. I would think Hanley is just about untradeable at this point. It would be scary defensively but Shaw has done nothing to lose out on regular playing time. I'm not sure I can understand how he's been so much better than his minor league numbers and that makes me think we're seeing a fluke, but until he proves it's a fluke, the guy deserves to play. Maybe, like Wade Boggs, he'll be that rare exception of a guy who's better in the majors than in the minors. If Shaw continues to what he's been doing and Hanley bounces back offensively that will make for one really deep and scary lineup next year with no real weak spots. The catch is they'd have to be adequate at the corners, which is a very arguable point.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2015 23:31:39 GMT -5
Eduardo Rodriguez finishes the season with a stat line of: 121.2 IP, 120 H, 55 R, 52 ER, 37 BB, 98 K, .254 BAA, 3.85 ERA, 3.94 FIP, 4.07 xFIP, 1.4 fWAR, 2.2 bWAR Impressive for a 22 year old. NM...I got my answer.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 29, 2015 7:12:53 GMT -5
Let's approach this in another way. Shaw's current offensive profile in his SP summary is rather lukewarm, to say the least. Have we seen enough from him in Boston to significantly change his profile? If so, what specifically would be changed? I'd think the tepid assessment of his raw power would have to be upgraded. What about the concerns about handling top-shelf heat? Or is it considered still to small a sample size to justify a rewrite of his profile? I'm sure I am in the minority on this one, but I would like to see Shaw play some more 3b. It's supposed to be his natural position. I guess he's not particularly good defensively, but perhaps he'd surprise, sort of the way he has with his bat thus far. I don't know that he'll repeat what he has done next year, but I have better feelings about him than I do our current 3b. I imagine the Sox are going to try to dump one of Hanley or Sandoval and would consider themselves very successful if they rid themselves of one of those contracts. I might be crazy but I truly believe that Hanley's offense fell off the cliff as soon as he got hurt in May playing LF. I believe that Hanley is capable of getting his offense back and that there's a shot that he can be an adequate 1b, or at least a better shot of that than being a LF. Sandoval has been in decline for awhile and will continue to age quickly as his conditioning is still poor and it seems like he has no motivation to change that so I expect him to continue to regress. I would think the Sox would have an easier time dumping Sandoval because he can still play 3b (although not as well as before) and he's still relatively young. I would think Hanley is just about untradeable at this point. It would be scary defensively but Shaw has done nothing to lose out on regular playing time. I'm not sure I can understand how he's been so much better than his minor league numbers and that makes me think we're seeing a fluke, but until he proves it's a fluke, the guy deserves to play. Maybe, like Wade Boggs, he'll be that rare exception of a guy who's better in the majors than in the minors. If Shaw continues to what he's been doing and Hanley bounces back offensively that will make for one really deep and scary lineup next year with no real weak spots. The catch is they'd have to be adequate at the corners, which is a very arguable point. I'm not getting my hopes up. But, if Hanley shows he can play 1b. Sandoval can probably be traded if he's not rounder than the sun next spring. If we ate 5m per year(pun intended), 4yr/56m isn't a terrible deal for someone. I don't even want anything in return. I'd like to spend that money on pitching. He did play on 3 World Championship teams in 5 years before coming here. And, was a key factor. That would put Shaw at 3b. Then, when Papi retires Shaw to 1b and Hanley to DH. Moncada at 3b is my hope. The likely scenario is that Hanley just plays like an idiot. We release him a la Josh Hamilton just to get him out of the locker room. Maybe, Sandoval shows some sense of pride and plays 3b until Moncada is ready.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 29, 2015 8:19:06 GMT -5
Beat the Yankees first, then worry about next year. The Sox should be playing this like it's their World Series. Pull out all the stops!
I think Hanley and Panda are pretty good depth options for next year. Make them play their way back into full-time spots. It's too bad that the Sox wouldn't force Hanley to be a Holt-esque jack of all trades and back up 3 corner spots (LF, 3B, 1B).
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 29, 2015 8:29:26 GMT -5
Beat the Yankees first, then worry about next year. The Sox should be playing this like it's their World Series. Pull out all the stops! I think Hanley and Panda are pretty good depth options for next year. Make them play their way back into full-time spots. It's too bad that the Sox wouldn't force Hanley to be a Holt-esque jack of all trades and back up 3 corner spots (LF, 3B, 1B).Uhhhh, I have to say no it's not too bad. The goal is to get him to be acceptable at one defensive position.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 29, 2015 12:56:24 GMT -5
Beat the Yankees first, then worry about next year. The Sox should be playing this like it's their World Series. Pull out all the stops! I think Hanley and Panda are pretty good depth options for next year. Make them play their way back into full-time spots. It's too bad that the Sox wouldn't force Hanley to be a Holt-esque jack of all trades and back up 3 corner spots (LF, 3B, 1B). I have no desire to ever see Hanley in LF again. Also, Brock Holt can defensively handle those positions he plays reasonably well. Hanley is a liability wherever you put him. I just hope he's passable at 1b. You'd think he'd be able to handle 3b or 1b being that he's not so far removed from being an experienced SS. And also, I don't think the Sox are treating the Yankees series as their World Series. If they were Big Papi would have been in the lineup. I think this is a lot more meaningful (if it can be) to fans than the teams themselves. The Red Sox are dead in the water and the Yanks are biding their time until they host the wild card game. My guess is the Yanks get their 10000th franchise win today and officially clinch a wild card spot today. But I'd like a 4 game sweep and for the Sox to pull to within 1 game of .500.
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Post by michael on Sept 29, 2015 13:47:25 GMT -5
I don't understand how Allen Craig is still here. Like a 3rd marriage, it's the triumph of optimism over bad experiences.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 29, 2015 14:03:19 GMT -5
I don't understand how Allen Craig is still here. Like a 3rd marriage, it's the triumph of optimism over bad experiences. It's the money. They're paying him either way, so they're going to give him every last chance to prove he's still capable of playing in the major leagues. It helps knowing that he will clear waivers and get his contact off the books for CBT purposes. Why pay him 20M over the next two seasons to find himself and figure it out for some other team?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 29, 2015 14:09:48 GMT -5
I just saw this on WEEI: By Rob Bradford NEW YORK — Hanley Ramirez‘ offseason has begun early. The Red Sox first baseman has returned to his Miami-area home, leaving the Red Sox for the remainder of the regular season. It had already been announced last week that Ramirez was being shut down due to continued soreness in his right shoulder. I don't understand why some players injured stay with the team and others don't.Am I missing something? Shouldn't Hanley finish the season with his teammates? There is a reason and procedure for just about everything, but wow! Rehab? Family issues? Paternity leave? Buchholz is there and active. Vasquez never left. I see Taz but not Koji. Would Workman be there? I worry about Wright but have seen him with the team periodically. Panda is home with pneumonia and gets kudos trying to play thru it. Intriguing question Move along, nothing to see here. www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/no-hidden-meaning-in-hanley-ramirez-departure-from-boston-red-soxAlso, I doubt that it's true that Vazquez has been with the club all year. There are times he's been there, but I'm sure he hasn't been traveling with the club to all road games, for example. It's injury-by-injury. If Ramirez were staying behind on a mid-season week-long road trip, nobody would bat an eyelash, right?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 29, 2015 14:12:34 GMT -5
This play makes me happy, JBJ robbing Murphy and Murphy happily taking his shin guard off thinking he has a stand-up double: m.mlb.com/video/v507038883/bosnyy-murphy-confused-on-lineout-ribbed-in-dugout/?c_id=mlbIt makes me happy because it's a great play on its own right (Statcast said JBJ took his first step in .24 seconds!). But it also reminds me of maybe my favorite regular-season baseball play of all time, when Manny Ramirez took away a home run from Miguel Cairo. But Cairo didn't see it and Zoolandered it, doing his homerun trot around the bases. The third base coach even gave him a low-five as he rounded third ... I must've seen that 20 times and laughed every time.
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Post by jmei on Sept 29, 2015 15:13:35 GMT -5
This play makes me happy, JBJ robbing Murphy and Murphy happily taking his shin guard off thinking he has a stand-up double: m.mlb.com/video/v507038883/bosnyy-murphy-confused-on-lineout-ribbed-in-dugout/?c_id=mlbIt makes me happy because it's a great play on its own right (Statcast said JBJ took his first step in .24 seconds!). But it also reminds me of maybe my favorite regular-season baseball play of all time, when Manny Ramirez took away a home run from Miguel Cairo. But Cairo didn't see it and Zoolandered it, doing his homerun trot around the bases. The third base coach even gave him a low-five as he rounded third ... I must've seen that 20 times and laughed every time. The magic of the internet:
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 29, 2015 16:20:00 GMT -5
Rob Bradford @bradfo 8m8 minutes ago Lovullo lifted weights with President in hotel gym this morning. Shared weights. Talked baseball. Had Hazen take picture
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 29, 2015 16:23:10 GMT -5
Haha ... yep, still makes me laugh. The Manny "double gun" point at Cairo at the end seals the deal. In real-time, it was even better, watching Cairo round the bases proudly and everyone looking at him, but no one telling him the truth until he gets to the on-deck batter. Terrific stuff. Whenever anyone asks me why I like baseball, I think of that play.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 29, 2015 16:31:28 GMT -5
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Post by charliezink16 on Sept 29, 2015 18:01:25 GMT -5
At the game right now. Had no idea, even with the current standings, that Sox/Yanks in late September would be a $7 game.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 29, 2015 18:13:19 GMT -5
A yankme friend of mine was fond of saying that the boys were "quitting" when the season was going bad. I told him he was full of spit and they haven't. Lets get to .500 and build for next year.
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