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Post by templeusox on May 6, 2016 11:41:38 GMT -5
I'm always wary of overvaluing a guy with a certain profile because another guy with that profile had some recent success. Recency bias is definitely a thing. What if I told you it was less about Schwarber and more about college production translating to professional production better than ever.
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Post by jdb on May 6, 2016 12:29:02 GMT -5
Law said this week Collins is in play for a few teams in the top ten. With the strength in this draft looking like pitching, especially on the HS side, I could see college bats like Collins going off early.
Any thoughts on the guy fangraphs had mocked, Whitley? Also Law seems high on the RH HS kid Manning. I don't know much about either.
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Post by jmei on May 6, 2016 13:04:50 GMT -5
I'm always wary of overvaluing a guy with a certain profile because another guy with that profile had some recent success. Recency bias is definitely a thing. What if I told you it was less about Schwarber and more about college production translating to professional production better than ever. Sure, maybe. Then again, you still see the Colin Morans and D.J. Petersons of the world. I don't know enough about Stewart personally to add much value here, but if he doesn't stick at catcher, drafting a 1B/DH so early in the draft makes me nervous, especially one with strikeout issues.
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Post by jimed14 on May 6, 2016 13:54:09 GMT -5
They always say to never draft for an organizational need, but this team needs to draft some potential power SP who have the potential to end up that way the 1st 2-3 rounds if possible with this draft seeming to be so deep with pitching if everything stays as it seems it is and not go after backup catchers and 5th OF. Yeah, we should do that every year. Just draft potential superstars. Enough with these merely useful major league players. Of course that means we have to have the top pick every year.
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Post by telson13 on May 6, 2016 14:31:34 GMT -5
They always say to never draft for an organizational need, but this team needs to draft some potential power SP who have the potential to end up that way the 1st 2-3 rounds if possible with this draft seeming to be so deep with pitching if everything stays as it seems it is and not go after backup catchers and 5th OF. Yeah, we should do that every year. Just draft potential superstars. Enough with these merely useful major league players. Of course that means we have to have the top pick every year. Hahaha! I get his point though...avoid the Colin Morans/Tate Mathenys and take some risks on HS kids with projection, some semblance of secondaries, and big fastballs (more or less). Of course, if everyone's falling in love with the HS pitching depth, it never hurts to take a risk on a Pedroia in the second or third round. I think the market inefficiencies will shake themselves out.
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Post by telson13 on May 6, 2016 14:38:23 GMT -5
Law said this week Collins is in play for a few teams in the top ten. With the strength in this draft looking like pitching, especially on the HS side, I could see college bats like Collins going off early. Any thoughts on the guy fangraphs had mocked, Whitley? Also Law seems high on the RH HS kid Manning. I don't know much about either. I've read a few people talking helium for him. He's really tall and skinny (RH Owens), FB/CB, sits 93. Spins the curve very well, very intermittently. I'm not sold...I like Anderson and Garrett more.
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Post by ramireja on May 6, 2016 17:59:35 GMT -5
Interesting nuggets from Mike Rikard in Alex Speier's minor league notebook: In response to this draft class lacking a well-defined top tier: “It’s a little bit uncharacteristic,” said amateur scouting director Mike Rikard. “No one has really established themselves at the top of the first round. I still think there’s a number of ways that teams could probably go in front of us. Also this: “The weak link of this group may be the college pitching,” said Rikard. “There’s two or three guys that kind of factor, but not the usual group as far as college pitchers go.”
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Post by alnipper on May 6, 2016 19:50:35 GMT -5
Maybe the Sox will draft Sheffield in the 1st round and Boldt in the 2nd.
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Post by johnsilver52 on May 6, 2016 20:53:53 GMT -5
That's what I meant Telson13, even taking the potential BP power guys lower on down.. Like Kelleher is an improvement which the team wasn't doing prior much. I saw him throw a BP last year in August and it wasn't that pretty. Still? He could work out and it was only a 100k gamble as compared to organizational fill with how many others and Kelleher is a wild card who could maybe help with command throwing upper 90's.
We will be making at least 2 week long trips to The Fort again this year and take lots of pictures again, try to send along some notes and what can take in from what saw. Only what I'd like to see them spend a few picks on as it seems to be heaviest at.. HS power arms, so why not go that route, rather than pitchers the organization has done little to nothing with over the last 6-8y throwing 88-92 and decent secondaries?
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Post by ramireja on May 10, 2016 17:05:34 GMT -5
As the draft nears, and I see guys like Jordan Sheffield, Matt Thaiss, and Ryan Boldt projected to go in Rounds 1-2/3, it still pains me to see that we left +900,000 in draft pool money unspent. I'd love to know what those guys were offered/turned down.
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Post by telson13 on May 10, 2016 21:53:31 GMT -5
As the draft nears, and I see guys like Jordan Sheffield, Matt Thaiss, and Ryan Boldt projected to go in Rounds 1-2/3, it still pains me to see that we left +900,000 in draft pool money unspent. I'd love to know what those guys were offered/turned down. Yeah, with bonus spending capped, leaving the equivalent of high-2nd round/supplemental first round money on the table is a huge error in judgment.
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Post by okin15 on May 12, 2016 13:05:38 GMT -5
Goodness, Jim Bowden is insufferable with his small-market, anti-player bias: "every club insisted there needs to be a flatter slope on signing bonuses" "My personal opinion is that we should eradicate the connection between major league free agents and the draft" "It's not fair that big-market teams can basically sign anyone they want" "Most teams think [the competitive balance picks] should be eradicated because they feel it's unfair It's unclear whether he has even read the rules, let alone thought critically about how each of his suggestions would work. GM's are always going to try to game the system, so the best system isn't one that solves just today's problems, but one that looks forward to future problems as well. Without individually refuting his points, I think that the new draft system is pretty good, but that indeed there are some things to work on. - Some sort of pick trading would be good
- You have to tie free agents to some sort of compensation (having some limits on free agency is a good thing), but a tiered system would be much better than the offer-cliff we have now (see NHL and NFL)
- The international pool system seems to work pretty well; has even more teeth than we thought.
- Whatever you do, DON'T take a page from the NBA's book on stopping tanking teams. They're terrible at it. You could use one of fivethirtyeight.com's ways to fix the NBA draft if you really feel it's an issue. I don't.
- I actually like the competitive balance picks, but don't let the same teams win each year, and also, penalize teams for not trying hard enough to make money somehow. I don't really know how, but if these are eliminated, there should be another solution to help even the playing field.
- I don't see what the issue is with signing bonuses. How much are you going to screw these kids???
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 12, 2016 14:03:01 GMT -5
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Post by pasadenasox on May 12, 2016 18:39:30 GMT -5
Acknowledging up front my lack of great research into the lad, and Trey Ball related emotional baggage for a cold weather climate HS pitcher, I'm intrigued by Ian Anderson. Thoughts?
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Post by fenwayfaithful on May 13, 2016 0:45:27 GMT -5
We need to draft Pitching pitching pitching. Just best available. Stop trying to snag a lefty
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Post by myleskennefick on May 13, 2016 9:16:14 GMT -5
Acknowledging up front my lack of great research into the lad, and Trey Ball related emotional baggage for a cold weather climate HS pitcher, I'm intrigued by Ian Anderson. Thoughts? I like the sound of Anderson or Braxton Garrett. Don't know much about the high school SP from CA but some people are pretty high on him. Since you mentioned Trey Ball--it's hard to read reports about the lefty Wentz from Kansas and not be reminded of Ball
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Post by texs31 on May 13, 2016 9:28:14 GMT -5
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 13, 2016 9:45:41 GMT -5
No way to draft another CF. Also he is too raw.
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Post by jdb on May 13, 2016 11:05:35 GMT -5
I don't know much about Doms history on high picks but have read in Detroit he liked power arms and toolsy OFers. Trammel is honestly a guy I don't know anything about though. Law had him in the mid 40s I believe.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 13, 2016 12:19:06 GMT -5
Without knowing much about him he strikes me as a below slot candidate to try to stretch the buck for subsequent rounds.
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Post by texs31 on May 13, 2016 14:41:24 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on May 13, 2016 17:49:14 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on May 13, 2016 20:48:39 GMT -5
No way to draft another CF. Also he is too raw. Agreed. That seems like a bizarre reach. Although, with a few weeks left, there's still a chance for helium guys to solidify their places.
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Post by loomerloney on May 13, 2016 22:33:31 GMT -5
As a curiosity (and point of reference), the 2015 BA mock draft from roughly the same date (May 17, 2015) started: 1. | Diamondbacks | RHP | Carson Fulmer | 2. | Astros | SS | Dansby Swanson | 3. | Rockies | SS | Brendan Rodgers | 4. | Rangers | RHP | Dillon Tate | 5. | Astros | OF | Kyle Tucker | 6. | Twins | OF | Daz Cameron | 7. | Red Sox | SS | Alex Bregman | 8. | White Sox | LHP | Tyler Jay | 9. | Cubs | OF | Andrew Benintendi | 10. | Phillies | RHP | Walker Buehler | 11. | Reds | C | Tyler Stephenson | 12.
| Marlins | OF | Trenton Clark | 13. | Rays | RHP | Jon Harris | 14. | Braves | RHP | Donny Everett | 15. | Brewers | RHP | Kyle Funkhouser |
www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2015-version-2-0/#QXadsWiPaH85QGmV.97
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 15, 2016 16:02:37 GMT -5
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