nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,787
|
Post by nomar on Mar 31, 2016 11:40:04 GMT -5
I like his attitude. He'll get his chances, it's up to him to earn time.
|
|
|
Post by humanbeingbean on Mar 31, 2016 11:45:27 GMT -5
Getting paid his full salary to sit on the bench isn't too bad of a gig.
|
|
|
Post by sarasoxer on Mar 31, 2016 11:50:34 GMT -5
If fielding is the main reason for the decision, I'm not sure how Sandoval is going to regain any range without losing a bunch of weight. So his time on the bench will probably be determined by how Shaw is doing and whether they can trade him. If the issue is Sandoval coming into camp out of shape and being unable to adequately field his position, there's a chance that this demotion pisses him off enough that he spends the first couple months of the season getting into shape and takes back his starting spot by mid-season. I also think Sandoval will get more playing time than the typical backup 3B. Any time Ramirez or Ortiz need a day off or get hurt (or, in Ramirez's case, if his positive early defensive showings don't carry over), Shaw probably slides over and Sandoval starts at 3B. ....."You mean there's a chance?"... Dumb & Dumber....Panda's range is not suddenly going to improve much by the Sox working with him in the field....but it might if he lost 50 lbs. Forget Jenny Dell...we need Jenny Craig..... I agree with both of you--- jimed14 and jmei.
|
|
|
Post by mandelbro on Mar 31, 2016 11:59:10 GMT -5
If fielding is the main reason for the decision, I'm not sure how Sandoval is going to regain any range without losing a bunch of weight. So his time on the bench will probably be determined by how Shaw is doing and whether they can trade him. If the issue is Sandoval coming into camp out of shape and being unable to adequately field his position, there's a chance that this demotion pisses him off enough that he spends the first couple months of the season getting into shape and takes back his starting spot by mid-season. I also think Sandoval will get more playing time than the typical backup 3B. Any time Ramirez or Ortiz need a day off or get hurt (or, in Ramirez's case, if his positive early defensive showings don't carry over), Shaw probably slides over and Sandoval starts at 3B. Yeah, I don't think this has much to do with Travis Shaw, as it does with sending a message to Sandoval about getting serious. They need Sandoval to improve and he hasn't shown much urgency to do so. If it pisses him off and he gets in shape and works on his craft then the team benefits. If he shrugs and continues to be the player that he was last year going forward, well now you know.
|
|
KB24
Rookie
Posts: 147
|
Post by KB24 on Mar 31, 2016 12:05:17 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how strong Sandoval's grasp of English is, and maybe that plays into this some, but to me he sounds like he's completely rolling over here (no pun intended) and is perfectly happy to park his large frame on the bench and collect a paycheck. This would be entirely contradictory to what he's shown the Boston fans to this point but wouldn't it be refreshing if he said something along the lines of "I want to be a productive part of this organization and I'm very disappointed in myself that I wasn't able to prove to management and the coaching staff this off-season and spring that I deserve to be the starting 3B to begin the season. I respect Coach Farrell's decision on this matter and believe his decision at this time is in the best interest of the team, but I'm going to do everything in my power to make his decision going forward regarding playing time a difficult one."
It's all words either way in the end and is completely meaningless but I just think today's comments are again consistent with a guy who does not care about being a good baseball player. His actions have shown that to this point.
He's probably just psyched he gets to really step up his Tinder game during ballgames now!
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,787
|
Post by nomar on Mar 31, 2016 12:07:40 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how strong Sandoval's grasp of English is, and maybe that plays into this some, but to me he sounds like he's completely rolling over here (no pun intended) and is perfectly happy to park his large frame on the bench and collect a paycheck. This would be entirely contradictory to what he's shown the Boston fans to this point but wouldn't it be refreshing if he said something along the lines of "I want to be a productive part of this organization and I'm very disappointed in myself that I wasn't able to prove to management and the coaching staff this off-season and spring that I deserve to be the starting 3B to begin the season. I respect Coach Farrell's decision on this matter and believe his decision at this time is in the best interest of the team, but I'm going to do everything in my power to make his decision going forward regarding playing time a difficult one." It's all words either way in the end and is completely meaningless but I just think today's comments are again consistent with a guy who does not care about being a good baseball player. His actions have shown that to this point. He's probably just psyched he gets to really step up his Tinder game during ballgames now! This basically illustrates that there is nothing he could have said that would please everyone.
|
|
|
Post by DesignatedKyle on Mar 31, 2016 12:08:42 GMT -5
This is great news. DD clearly isn't the type of guy to sit and wait if he sees an issue like Ben tended to do. This also gives Pablo the opportunity to prove himself should Shaw falter and I think that's best for both him and the club as a whole.
|
|
KB24
Rookie
Posts: 147
|
Post by KB24 on Mar 31, 2016 12:17:40 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how strong Sandoval's grasp of English is, and maybe that plays into this some, but to me he sounds like he's completely rolling over here (no pun intended) and is perfectly happy to park his large frame on the bench and collect a paycheck. This would be entirely contradictory to what he's shown the Boston fans to this point but wouldn't it be refreshing if he said something along the lines of "I want to be a productive part of this organization and I'm very disappointed in myself that I wasn't able to prove to management and the coaching staff this off-season and spring that I deserve to be the starting 3B to begin the season. I respect Coach Farrell's decision on this matter and believe his decision at this time is in the best interest of the team, but I'm going to do everything in my power to make his decision going forward regarding playing time a difficult one." It's all words either way in the end and is completely meaningless but I just think today's comments are again consistent with a guy who does not care about being a good baseball player. His actions have shown that to this point. He's probably just psyched he gets to really step up his Tinder game during ballgames now! This basically illustrates that there is nothing he could have said that would please everyone. I completely agree. What I am saying though is that if he cared about his image at all (not saying he does although he is pretty sensitive with the media thus far), a comment such as the one I provided above would probably go over a little better with the majority of Sox fan than "I'm happy with the decision."
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 31, 2016 12:20:00 GMT -5
Congrats Shaw think it was the right move. Now I would love to see Sox send Sandoval to minors to make a statement and have him play everyday to try and get him in playing shape. He can't be sent to the minors unfortunately because he has too much service time. Well, they could try, but he could refuse. Just thinking about Allen Craig and how he was sent down. Now if Sandoval refuses does he still get his money?
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 31, 2016 12:23:38 GMT -5
If fielding is the main reason for the decision, I'm not sure how Sandoval is going to regain any range without losing a bunch of weight. So his time on the bench will probably be determined by how Shaw is doing and whether they can trade him. If the issue is Sandoval coming into camp out of shape and being unable to adequately field his position, there's a chance that this demotion pisses him off enough that he spends the first couple months of the season getting into shape and takes back his starting spot by mid-season. I also think Sandoval will get more playing time than the typical backup 3B. Any time Ramirez or Ortiz need a day off or get hurt (or, in Ramirez's case, if his positive early defensive showings don't carry over), Shaw probably slides over and Sandoval starts at 3B. I think that's a dream. He was called the worst positional player in Baseball last year and still showed up out of shape. He clearly doesn't care. He got his money and he now he just shows up to collect the checks.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2016 12:26:34 GMT -5
He can't be sent to the minors unfortunately because he has too much service time. Well, they could try, but he could refuse. Just thinking about Allen Craig and how he was sent down. Now if Sandoval refuses does he still get his money? Craig had less than 5 years of service time so he couldn't refuse to report without giving up his salary. Sandoval has the right to refuse the assignment and still get paid.
|
|
|
Post by thelavarnwayguy on Mar 31, 2016 12:28:20 GMT -5
The only question is how much salary the Sox have to pick up in an imminent trade. Particularly if Shaw continues to produce.
Shaw is the new Youk! A guy who took a while to get here but may well prove to be a fan favorite.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2016 12:31:19 GMT -5
The announcers on ESPN were asking John Kruk about weight issues and DH'ing. He said that he gained a bunch of weight sitting on the bench waiting for at-bats.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 31, 2016 12:35:37 GMT -5
Just thinking about Allen Craig and how he was sent down. Now if Sandoval refuses does he still get his money? Craig had less than 5 years of service time so he couldn't refuse to report without giving up his salary. Sandoval has the right to refuse the assignment and still get paid. Dang I don't like that rule. The minors would really send the message Sandoval needs. No more fancy hotels and fancy planes. Crapy hotels and bus rides is just what he needs.
|
|
|
Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 31, 2016 12:42:52 GMT -5
What is Shaw, 0 for his last 17?
|
|
|
Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 31, 2016 12:43:09 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how strong Sandoval's grasp of English is, and maybe that plays into this some, but to me he sounds like he's completely rolling over here (no pun intended) and is perfectly happy to park his large frame on the bench and collect a paycheck. This would be entirely contradictory to what he's shown the Boston fans to this point but wouldn't it be refreshing if he said something along the lines of "I want to be a productive part of this organization and I'm very disappointed in myself that I wasn't able to prove to management and the coaching staff this off-season and spring that I deserve to be the starting 3B to begin the season. I respect Coach Farrell's decision on this matter and believe his decision at this time is in the best interest of the team, but I'm going to do everything in my power to make his decision going forward regarding playing time a difficult one." It's all words either way in the end and is completely meaningless but I just think today's comments are again consistent with a guy who does not care about being a good baseball player. His actions have shown that to this point. He's probably just psyched he gets to really step up his Tinder game during ballgames now! Damn, you put him on the couch without even asking. There's enough conjecture in here for a dozen posts.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Mar 31, 2016 12:44:43 GMT -5
What is Shaw, 0 for his last 17? Proof that this is about defense, not about a spring training hot or cold streak.
|
|
|
Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 31, 2016 12:46:20 GMT -5
What is Shaw, 0 for his last 17? He did go cold over the last few games. That seems to be part of who he is. I think it was jmei who pointed out that he loses his swing every once in a while. That may change with a steady gig, but maybe not. I think it's correct that Sandoval will see a little more time than if he were just another bench bat. Or they may be working a deal, who knows.
|
|
|
Post by dmaineah on Mar 31, 2016 12:56:14 GMT -5
I'm surprised Farrell made that announcement. I'm not surprised Shaw is the better option at 3B but, I am surprised Farrell is making the move.
|
|
redsox04071318champs
Veteran
Always hoping to make my handle even longer...
Posts: 15,645
Member is Online
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 31, 2016 13:07:58 GMT -5
I applaud this move. I'm glad Shaw will get his shot at 3b. It now gives the Sox 2 legitimate LH power threats. I figure if Sandoval played this year he probably would have hit about a dozen homers. I expect Shaw's average to slide a bit, but I think he'll draw some walks, and he has the capability of hitting 25 homers in a year, I think.
I definitely think he fits the lineup better than Sandoval does and I would think his defense would be better than Sandoval's as well. Based on the last couple of months last year, he deserves this opportunity. Hope he can run with it.
|
|
|
Post by mandelbro on Mar 31, 2016 13:34:56 GMT -5
I applaud this move. I'm glad Shaw will get his shot at 3b. It now gives the Sox 2 legitimate LH power threats. I figure if Sandoval played this year he probably would have hit about a dozen homers. I expect Shaw's average to slide a bit, but I think he'll draw some walks, and he has the capability of hitting 25 homers in a year, I think. I definitely think he fits the lineup better than Sandoval does and I would think his defense would be better than Sandoval's as well. Based on the last couple of months last year, he deserves this opportunity. Hope he can run with it. Hot half-season at 25 aside, Travis Shaw hasn't really given us a reason to call him a "left handed power threat" yet. Now, if he can field the position at 3B, the expectations for his bat change considerably. But I'll eat my hat if Shaw slugs .480 again.
|
|
|
Post by mgoetze on Mar 31, 2016 13:39:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think this has much to do with Travis Shaw, as it does with sending a message to Sandoval about getting serious. Yeah, who cares whether Travis Shaw can actually play 3rd base or hit major league pitching. We're not trying to win baseball games, we're just trying to send a message!
|
|
|
Post by mandelbro on Mar 31, 2016 13:42:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think this has much to do with Travis Shaw, as it does with sending a message to Sandoval about getting serious. Yeah, who cares whether Travis Shaw can actually play 3rd base or hit major league pitching. We're not trying to win baseball games, we're just trying to send a message! Oh you know what I mean. Shaw didn't win the competition, Pablo lost it.
|
|
|
Post by Coreno on Mar 31, 2016 13:56:18 GMT -5
Panda's range is not suddenly going to improve much by the Sox working with him in the field....but it might if he lost 50 lbs. Forget Jenny Dell...we need Jenny Craig..... ... We have an Allen Craig, will that work?
|
|
|
Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 31, 2016 14:16:07 GMT -5
I think Pablo will have his job back by May 1st to be honest. Not that I want him to, I'm just not sold on Shaw. It seems our revolving door has simply moved one position to the left
|
|