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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 15, 2016 21:31:11 GMT -5
The pitch selection was better, the location was for the most part better, the results were certainly better. Apart from that, everything was the same.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 15, 2016 21:40:14 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 15, 2016 21:40:20 GMT -5
Can someone check on Eric? I'm worried that his heart won't be able to take all this excitement. Time of death - VazquezDouble:00 Well, I am happy. But the comment I'll make just echoes what people have already said. You don't really need the stats to see how good he is defensively. How did so many people forget that? Oh, and BP used to track pitch-framing runs by count as well as count-neutral, which is to say, framing a 3-2 pitch would register much more than other counts. They no longer do so, perhaps because they concluded that all of the by-count variation -- the ability to frame in "clutch" counts -- was random. Yet in their original data, I did find a Y2Y correlation in clutch framing differential. I used 85% unadjusted framing and 15% clutch framing for an overall metric. Anyway, Vazquez turned two ball fours into strike threes tonight -- Donaldson ending the 6th and Pillar ending the 8th. That's almost like making two great plays in the field; each is worth about 0.6 runs by itself.
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Post by blizzards39 on Apr 15, 2016 21:46:25 GMT -5
Time of death - VazquezDouble:00 Well, I am happy. But the comment I'll make just echoes what people have already said. You don't really need the stats to see how good he is defensively. How did so many people forget that? Oh, and BP used to track pitch-framing runs by count as well as count-neutral, which is to say, framing a 3-2 pitch would register much more than other counts. They no longer do so, perhaps because they concluded that all of the by-count variation -- the ability to frame in "clutch" counts -- was random. Yet in their original data, I did find a Y2Y correlation in clutch framing differential. I used 85% unadjusted framing and 15% clutch framing for an overall metric. Anyway, Vazquez turned two ball fours into strike threes tonight -- Donaldson ending the 6th and Pillar ending the 8th. That's almost like making two great plays in the field; each is worth about 0.6 runs by itself. I think we can all agree that for the foreseeable future Vazquez will be behind the dish as much as his body allows. I love the way he carries himself. Can't teach or learn that. Swihart still has a bright future. He just needs to Get regular at bats and tear up AAA.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 15, 2016 21:57:41 GMT -5
Do you think maybe we should stop writing about how CVaz is stealing strikes so that the umpires who come here don't catch on?
Great win. Much needed, and a good start to the series to get their bullpen in early.
And who saw that coming from Sandoval? A real injury, not just an over-fattening? I hope the guy gets healthy, gets fit, and comes back next year with a monster season.
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Post by station13 on Apr 15, 2016 22:20:23 GMT -5
Nice game, good defense, starting pitching and relieving.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 15, 2016 22:42:17 GMT -5
This game was so fun to be at tonight.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 15, 2016 22:48:12 GMT -5
Great game by Percello. Those two balls were absolutely crushed by Edwin, but otherwise, a stellar performance. Vazquez clearly had a great game, but let's still give some credit to the guy throwing the ball.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 16, 2016 8:18:31 GMT -5
Vazquez looked terrific (and if he can hit like that, he's going to be a great player), but let's be honest: this is how Porcello pitched when he was throwing to Swihart and Hanigan last August/September.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 16, 2016 8:58:33 GMT -5
That means that any benefits from following a knuckleball pitcher would inure to Buchholz. I'm not convinced that following a knuckler with a hard thrower has any effect on a batter. He has 24 hrs and a night's sleep to recover and prepare for the next game. Now put that scenario in a game you have a different impact.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 16, 2016 9:50:58 GMT -5
That means that any benefits from following a knuckleball pitcher would inure to Buchholz. I'm not convinced that following a knuckler with a hard thrower has any effect on a batter. He has 24 hrs and a night's sleep to recover and prepare for the next game. Now put that scenario in a game you have a different impact. Im not sure about in-game, but yeah, the hangover effect has been debunked: www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11793
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Post by dcsoxfan on Apr 16, 2016 9:58:50 GMT -5
Christian Vazquez has always hit after a transition period. He's been doing this at every level! I think you always have to be extra patient with catchers. Because of the demands of the position, they end up getting fewer at bats (fewer reps) than other position players. I think he's going to be an above average offensive catcher, eventually, too.
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Post by Gwell55 on Apr 16, 2016 10:50:51 GMT -5
Do you think maybe we should stop writing about how CVaz is stealing strikes so that the umpires who come here don't catch on? Great win. Much needed, and a good start to the series to get their bullpen in early. And who saw that coming from Sandoval? A real injury, not just an over-fattening? I hope the guy gets healthy, gets fit, and comes back next year with a monster season. Looked like to me yesterday Toronto's catcher got a heck of a lot more "stolen" strikes out of the zone. Maybe CVaz needs more work at not jerking in to fast and hard. Those foot outside to the lefties for K's sure seemed more one sided to me.
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Post by nomar on Apr 16, 2016 11:03:48 GMT -5
Porcello is striking a lot of people out, but his swinging strike% is the lowest it's been since 2011 (SSS I know).
The wonderful news: he's back to mainly using is two seamer rather than his 4 seamer. It hasn't given him more grounders yet, but that was such a head scratching decision last year.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 16, 2016 15:15:46 GMT -5
Didn't Price used to throw 95?
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 16, 2016 15:16:07 GMT -5
On the mound for the Red Sox today, David "Triples" Price.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 16, 2016 15:17:54 GMT -5
30 million doesn't get you the kind of pitcher it used to.
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Post by bookiemetts on Apr 16, 2016 15:21:30 GMT -5
I've posted this before but David Price typically starts the season slowly. His splits by month show it pretty clearly.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 16, 2016 15:23:35 GMT -5
Luckily not every batter is Josh Donaldson or Jose Bautista. I think Price will be fine.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 16, 2016 15:23:37 GMT -5
I've posted this before but David Price typically starts the season slowly. His splits by month show it pretty clearly. Is his velocity usually way down in April? 2015 he averaged 94 on his fastball, at 91.4 thus far this season.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 16, 2016 15:24:27 GMT -5
Luckily not every batter is Josh Donaldson or Jose Bautista. I think Price will be fine. Those are actually the guys that you're paying him to get out.
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Post by rangoon82 on Apr 16, 2016 15:24:27 GMT -5
I've posted this before but David Price typically starts the season slowly. His splits by month show it pretty clearly. This appears to be the truth. Good call
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 16, 2016 15:31:43 GMT -5
Luckily not every batter is Josh Donaldson or Jose Bautista. I think Price will be fine. Those are actually the guys that you're paying him to get out. Probably mostly paying him to be a top-4 pitcher in the AL. We'll see how it pans out over the next 30 starts.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2016 15:33:11 GMT -5
Luckily not every batter is Josh Donaldson or Jose Bautista. I think Price will be fine. Those are actually the guys that you're paying him to get out. You're paying for him to pitch well overall, not to specifically get those guys out every time. Those are some pretty unrealistic expectations.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2016 15:34:26 GMT -5
I've posted this before but David Price typically starts the season slowly. His splits by month show it pretty clearly. Is his velocity usually way down in April? 2015 he averaged 94 on his fastball, at 91.4 thus far this season. Every pitcher's velocity is down in weather conditions like in Cleveland, where he was barely hitting 90. He was sitting 93-94 in Toronto and is around there today also.
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