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5/9-5/11 Red Sox vs. Athletics Series Thread
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 10, 2016 8:37:04 GMT -5
The solution to Bucchholz conundrum: you deal him and never look back. 10 years is enough. Yeah, let's trade for Gray, he's a proven winner...Oh wait!
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 10, 2016 8:48:31 GMT -5
Why are people acting like Clay Buchholz is unpredictable? Here's what happens every single year: he pitches like garbage for about 6 weeks, then he pitches like one of the best pitchers in the game, then he gets hurt in July or early August. The man is a model of consistency, a paragon of predictability. Swallows going to Capistrano have nothing on his seasonal reliability. I was thinking of scheduling a business meeting for "six days after Buchholz goes on the DL this summer."
You can like it or not, but it is always just what it is.
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Post by okin15 on May 10, 2016 10:17:27 GMT -5
Well, I'm ready for the "best pitcher in the game" stretch, or even the "gets hurt" stretch in say two weeks. In all seriousness though, I'm not convinced he's going to have the former this year. I would LOVE to be wrong about that.
Still, I don't think you can trade him right now, because there is no market (for anyone, let alone a schlub), and I don't want him to get hurt yet, cause I mean, who else are you going to throw out there? Still, I do think that his spot is a perfectly reasonable destination for Kelly if somehow the Sox manage to have six healthy pitchers at once (does that ever happen? no, serious question).
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 10, 2016 10:39:48 GMT -5
Seriously, Kelly sucks (In 3 starts this season, he pitched 8.2 innings with 7.34 FIP) and just like Clay, is injury prone (never pitched more than 134 innings). I'll take Clay over him.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 10, 2016 11:07:45 GMT -5
The solution to Bucchholz conundrum: you deal him and never look back. 10 years is enough. There are no trades right now and freaking O'Sullivan is starting tonight. Sully is pitching for big league pay. Betcha he has a decent start. 6IP 3 ER
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Post by James Dunne on May 10, 2016 11:34:43 GMT -5
So, I don't expect much out of O'Sullivan tonight - his major league career performance to date is, frankly, abysmal. However, there's that small glimmer of hope with me that wants to believe that the Bannister/Willis team really does have some ability to identify veteran pitchers who have a correctable flaw, and then actually fix them. If the Red Sox can add Mazzone/Duncan/Miller/Searage type of veteran-pitcher-fixer alongside their top-notch amateur scouting and deep pockets? That would be good.
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Post by blizzards39 on May 10, 2016 11:50:33 GMT -5
By MLB standards Clay is cheap. Just can't rely on him. As long as you think of him as a 4/5 then its good. As for Osullivan, Its a one and done. Hell, I woulda like to see Wright on 1 day rest and put Erod in his spot. HAHA
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Post by kingofthetrill on May 10, 2016 13:40:34 GMT -5
I know that I'm splitting hairs, but the front page has Sean O'Sullivan's ERA at 0.00, but he pitched an inning against the Yankees on Saturday and gave up a run.
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Post by grandsalami on May 10, 2016 14:22:16 GMT -5
“@jcmccaffrey: Ortiz/Holt off days: Betts RF, Pedroia 2B, Bogaerts SS, Ramirez DH, Young LF, Rutledge 3B, Shaw 1B, Hanigan C, Bradley CF, O’Sullivan RHP”
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on May 10, 2016 14:27:16 GMT -5
Why are people acting like Clay Buchholz is unpredictable? Here's what happens every single year: he pitches like garbage for about 6 weeks, then he pitches like one of the best pitchers in the game, then he gets hurt in July or early August. The man is a model of consistency, a paragon of predictability. Swallows going to Capistrano have nothing on his seasonal reliability. I was thinking of scheduling a business meeting for "six days after Buchholz goes on the DL this summer." You can like it or not, but it is always just what it is. Well, that's the overall pattern for sure. -- In 2013 he started strongly, and in 2010 he was decent. The other five years, yeah, awful starts. -- In 2014, he was bad until he went on the DL (earlier than usual), and just a solid mid-rotation guy after he came back. The other pattern is that he's alternated mid-year DL stints (2010, 2012, 2014) with season-ending or near-season-ending injuries. This is a good time to point out that last year, once he turned it around, he might have pitched the best ball of his life in terms of xFIP and Hard%. The only reason he wasn't as impressive as in 2011 and 2013 was lousy defense. He had a 3.30 xFIP / 3.35 SIERA in his last 10 starts with a ridiculously low .215 Hard%, but a .296 BABIP. There is some possibility that this year will be a repeat of 2014. Let's compare the numbers after 7 starts (2014, 2016) ERA-, 161, 145 FIP-, 110, 131 xFIP-, 112, 128 SIERA, 4.25, 5.00 K%, .158, .157 BB%, .064, .099 BABIP, .375, .283 LOB%, .599, .652 GB%, .431, .387 HR/FB, .085, .122 Pull%, .424, .468 Hard%, .341, .286 Zone%, .515, .487 Z-Sw%, .671, .610 Z-Cntct%, .846, .852 O-Sw%, .301, .256 O-Cntct%, .774, .711 There's a pretty dramatic difference in Hard% and BABIP. He's much wilder this year but not getting hit nearly as hard, which is probably encouraging. This season looks much more like a guy struggling to throw strikes rather than a guy whose stuff is not fooling anybody. They're making contact on .520 of his pitches in the zone rather than .568, and .182 out of the zone rather than .233, 8% and 22% better respectively. And the contact is demonstrably weaker. This year he's given up 6 HR, which with ordinary weather would have been gone in 30, 30, 30, 2, 1, and 0 parks. In 2014, 4 HR that were gone in 28, 27, 25, and 25. His FIP this year would be much better without the three completely cheap HRs. Edi: in fact, he's matched his career total for HRs that would have gone out in 2 or fewer MLB parks. 10/1/12 in Yankee Stadium to Russell Martin (1) 9/17/14 in PNC Par to Neil Walker (2) 4/12/15 in Yankee Stadium to Stephen Drew (1) 4/6/16 in Progressive Field to Carlos Santana (1) (62' of wind)4/12/16 in Fenway Park to J.J. Hardy (2)5/9/16 in Fenway Park to Khris Davis (0) (20' of wind)The wind estimate for the Santana HR looks generous, but the other two are absurdly cheap.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 10, 2016 14:32:15 GMT -5
So, I don't expect much out of O'Sullivan tonight - his major league career performance to date is, frankly, abysmal. However, there's that small glimmer of hope with me that wants to believe that the Bannister/Willis team really does have some ability to identify veteran pitchers who have a correctable flaw, and then actually fix them. If the Red Sox can add Mazzone/Duncan/Miller/Searage type of veteran-pitcher-fixer alongside their top-notch amateur scouting and deep pockets? That would be good. I know, right? There's no rational reason for hope, but I can't help but have some feeling that Brian Bannister has some kind of magic mojo to reclaim major league pitchers from the scrap heap. At least until O'Sullivan gives up 6ER in two-and-a-third today
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Post by okin15 on May 10, 2016 14:37:55 GMT -5
“@jcmccaffrey: Ortiz/Holt off days: Betts RF, Pedroia 2B, Bogaerts SS, Ramirez DH, Young LF, Rutledge 3B, Shaw 1B, Hanigan C, Bradley CF, O’Sullivan RHP” I'm hoping Holt plays tomorrow, and gives Shaw a day off (or Bradley, but, like, not really).
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 10, 2016 14:41:36 GMT -5
We have Ross and Barnes who could go 2 innings each and the top 3 BP arms fresh and rested so I'll ask Sully for 2 times through the order with 3 runs and I'll call it a success.
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Post by jmei on May 10, 2016 14:51:32 GMT -5
“@jcmccaffrey: Ortiz/Holt off days: Betts RF, Pedroia 2B, Bogaerts SS, Ramirez DH, Young LF, Rutledge 3B, Shaw 1B, Hanigan C, Bradley CF, O’Sullivan RHP” I'm hoping Holt plays tomorrow, and gives Shaw a day off (or Bradley, but, like, not really). I think there's a good chance that Shaw and Bradley get days off tomorrow. Manaea is a tough lefty. ADD: not tough as in necessarily dominant, but he throws hard and has a deceptive arm angle. Tiny sample, but he's been elite versus LHP but awful versus RHP in the majors so far (0.97 xFIP vs. LHH, 6.46 xFIP vs. RHH)
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Post by jmei on May 10, 2016 14:52:43 GMT -5
I know that I'm splitting hairs, but the front page has Sean O'Sullivan's ERA at 0.00, but he pitched an inning against the Yankees on Saturday and gave up a run.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 10, 2016 15:34:39 GMT -5
After game one, this is a very sweepable series. Get after it boys!
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Post by Guidas on May 10, 2016 15:52:40 GMT -5
Ah yes, the old "Chris Young as the #5 hitter to give the opposing team a bad case of the WTFs so they will come out distracted" strategery. Should cause enough confusion on the As for several big innings early for the Sox.
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 10, 2016 15:56:42 GMT -5
Ah yes, the old "Chris Young as the #5 hitter to give the opposing team a bad case of the WTFs so they will come out distracted" strategery. Should cause enough confusion on the As for several big innings early for the Sox. Vs a LHP, I like having a .363 wOBA career hitter in the 5th spot.
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Post by bosox89 on May 10, 2016 18:13:57 GMT -5
Billy Burns i knew i liked you kid
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Post by mgoetze on May 10, 2016 18:16:43 GMT -5
Pretty good looking so far. Unlike Owens and Kimbrel, O'Sullivan knows exactly where his fastball is going. Peppering the edges of the lower half of the strike zone nicely.
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fenwayfaithful
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A prospect is fun to watch, but trading him for a sure thing in the Majors is never a losing deal.
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Post by fenwayfaithful on May 10, 2016 18:18:47 GMT -5
As Bad as Owens been why would we not let him start and keep improving. We're starting a guy who doesn't even have a windup and will never be a part of our future. What a waste.
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Post by bosox89 on May 10, 2016 18:20:08 GMT -5
Nacho looks pretty good so far
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 10, 2016 18:21:01 GMT -5
As Bad as Owens been why would we not let him start and keep improving. We're starting a guy who doesn't even have a windup and will never be a part of our future. What a waste. He walked 5 AAA hitters today!
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Post by mgoetze on May 10, 2016 18:21:03 GMT -5
As Bad as Owens been why would we not let him start and keep improving. We did. He went 7 innings today.
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Post by mgoetze on May 10, 2016 18:22:01 GMT -5
Nice meatball!
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