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Post by deepjohn on Jun 25, 2016 13:12:22 GMT -5
No, I really mean from someone like you who can see these things from a wealth of experience, like the forest from the trees. Otherwise, SSS applies. IMHO, I don't think there's any GM who does not observe the truism that you always "need" more consistent pitching than you have. It's really that valuable. The only question is what will you give up for it. The trade rumor, it seemed, was Teheran/Vizcaino (possibly Markakis salary dump) for Benintendi (plus lesser prospects). Now if you are asking my opinion (I'm flattered), I think the Braves would be crazy to do that trade, and it's a no brainer for the Sox. But that's just me (and I will cry real tears to lose Benny Baseball!). As I've pointed out, pitching consistency is a minus, unless you're so good that there's no room for it. Jon Lester's been a #2 starter, and in 2013 he was more like a #3, but because he's not consistently that guy, the 2013 Sox got lucky and got a bunch of ace-caliber post-season starts from him. The A's in 2014 were not so lucky. Two ways to win in the post-season: 1) Have a good pitching staff and hope you get lucky with it. 2) Have a great offense and hope you don't run into a good pitching staff having great luck, or a great one having good luck. Upgrading your offense from good to great seems to be more valuable than doing the same with the pitching. Having a consistent offense -- one that has many ways to score, and a deep lineup not overly dependent on a couple of guys -- also seems to valuable. Unlike pitching, consistency in offense is good. Well, Teheran doesn't need to be an ace, just consistently better than the other team's #3. Now, because Teheran is consistent, you've got a higher confidence level that Teheran will perform like he is expected to do. The problem with Lester (you're pointing out) was that Lester was (in your view) a consistent number 2 (ADD: or inconsistent number 2 maybe?) going up against consistent aces. Now you're hoping he exceeds his expectation (which is unlikely) just to match up with the other consistent ace. JFSAG, the reductio ad absurdum of your argument would be that you would want guys who are extremely inconsistent and then you have no idea what to expect, but maybe you'll get lucky and he'll do amazing.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 25, 2016 13:49:34 GMT -5
What a privilege to be allowed to watch deepjohn and ericmvan talking super-advanced Sabre with one another!
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 25, 2016 14:49:33 GMT -5
Teheran is 25 and signed long term on the cheap, he's not a rental like your quiz make it seem. He has what 4 years of team control, compared to 6-7 years for Benintendi. You also are leaving out the fact that Teheran can help you make playoffs and get to word series. Not saying I would make that deal, but your quiz makes it seem like you would be trading Benintendi for a few starts of Teheran and that's just not true. Teheran has three years of control including this one. A deadline deal would be 6 years of Benintendi to get 2 1/3 years of Teheran, plus a draft pick if they don't change the CBA before then. And actually, nothing in my quiz (except maybe the briefness of the footnote, where I didn't want to start speculating about the depth of the rotation in 2017 and 2018) implied anything about duration. It was the value of Teheran this year versus the value of Benintendi that we expect in, say, 2021. One year versus one year, and it's really clear that the Benny year has more value. That there are 5 extra years of Benny and two of Teheran I left as an exercise for the thoughtful. The point of this quiz is that upgrading a strength is a really stupid idea. If E-Rod is the guy we projected going into this year, then Rick Porcello is currently the game 4 starter. Of the 20 guys who started for the last 5 WS winners, Porcello would rank 8th in xFIP- and 12th in bWAR/GS -- and in both cases, one of the guys ahead of him was the injured Clay Buchholz. So he's a WS-winning #2 or #3 starter, toss a coin but give a slight edge to #2. And people think he's not good enough to start game 4? Get real. AMEN
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 25, 2016 17:11:50 GMT -5
Scott Lauber ESPN Staff Writer
John Farrell alluded Friday to Red Sox facing a decision once Ryan Hanigan returns from DL. While they typically view catcher as a "two-man position," Farrell said, red-hot Sandy Leon is out of options and might not clear waivers. Christian Vazquez is in lineup tonight to catch knuckleballer Steven Wright, but if he doesn't hit more, he might lose playing time -- or even his roster spot, unless the Sox carry three catchers. Share MLB 24m
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 25, 2016 17:44:19 GMT -5
Teheran has three years of control including this one. A deadline deal would be 6 years of Benintendi to get 2 1/3 years of Teheran, plus a draft pick if they don't change the CBA before then. And actually, nothing in my quiz (except maybe the briefness of the footnote, where I didn't want to start speculating about the depth of the rotation in 2017 and 2018) implied anything about duration. It was the value of Teheran this year versus the value of Benintendi that we expect in, say, 2021. One year versus one year, and it's really clear that the Benny year has more value. That there are 5 extra years of Benny and two of Teheran I left as an exercise for the thoughtful. The point of this quiz is that upgrading a strength is a really stupid idea. If E-Rod is the guy we projected going into this year, then Rick Porcello is currently the game 4 starter. Of the 20 guys who started for the last 5 WS winners, Porcello would rank 8th in xFIP- and 12th in bWAR/GS -- and in both cases, one of the guys ahead of him was the injured Clay Buchholz. So he's a WS-winning #2 or #3 starter, toss a coin but give a slight edge to #2. And people think he's not good enough to start game 4? Get real. With option year Teheran is signed through 2020, so it would be 4 and 1\3 years not 2 and 1\3 years. You're right -- I was confusing him with Fernandez. And in fact, when I made the original post I remember thinking that the years of control were close enough to not bother with.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2016 17:44:54 GMT -5
Mike Trout would look very nice in OF, just saying. As opposed to all of those teams where he just wouldn't quite be a fit. Mike Trout would probably look good anywhere but on the mound for the Sox.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2016 18:06:16 GMT -5
"From someone like you." You mean, that has sense? Come on, you're better than that. You made an unsubstantied, loosely generalized claim and I gave three examples that roundly refuted it. That's not "anecdotal," it's clear refutation of your supposed "truism." A tick better than Porcello? Maybe...but that's about the performance to expect. 2013 Peavy. And you want to trade elite talent for that level of performance. For maybe 1 or 2 wins over the next best guy? What a waste... No, I really mean from someone like you who can see these things from a wealth of experience, like the forest from the trees. Otherwise, SSS applies. IMHO, I don't think there's any GM who does not observe the truism that you always "need" more consistent pitching than you have. It's really that valuable. The only question is what will you give up for it. The trade rumor, it seemed, was Teheran/Vizcaino (possibly Markakis salary dump) for Benintendi (plus lesser prospects). Now if you are asking my opinion (I'm flattered), I think the Braves would be crazy to do that trade, and it's a no brainer for the Sox. But that's just me (and I will cry real tears to lose Benny Baseball!). Ah, gotcha. I'd say this though: anecdotal evidence is generalizing a hypothesis and strengthening it to a "proven theory" or truism based on personal experience. What I'm pointing out isn't anecdotal, because I'm not generalizing. I'm giving examples that disprove a theory, i.e that good/consistent pitching is required to win in the postseason. Disproving a theory only requires one example. But even so, on balance, which of the last 15 WS-winning teams won with pitching, and which ones won with offense? Or both? And Eric makes a good point: a pitcher who goes 6 innings, giving up 3 runs each time as your #4 starter is less likely to assure you two wins than is the guy who gives up 2 runs twice and 5 the third time. So unless you're talking consistent *excellence*, consistency is probably a detriment. *Peak* talent might actually be more crucial.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 25, 2016 18:55:36 GMT -5
As I've pointed out, pitching consistency is a minus, unless you're so good that there's no room for it. Jon Lester's been a #2 starter, and in 2013 he was more like a #3, but because he's not consistently that guy, the 2013 Sox got lucky and got a bunch of ace-caliber post-season starts from him. The A's in 2014 were not so lucky. Two ways to win in the post-season: 1) Have a good pitching staff and hope you get lucky with it. 2) Have a great offense and hope you don't run into a good pitching staff having great luck, or a great one having good luck. Upgrading your offense from good to great seems to be more valuable than doing the same with the pitching. Having a consistent offense -- one that has many ways to score, and a deep lineup not overly dependent on a couple of guys -- also seems to valuable. Unlike pitching, consistency in offense is good. Well, Teheran doesn't need to be an ace, just consistently better than the other team's #3. Now, because Teheran is consistent, you've got a higher confidence level that Teheran will perform like he is expected to do. The problem with Lester (you're pointing out) was that Lester was (in your view) a consistent number 2 (ADD: or inconsistent number 2 maybe?) going up against consistent aces. Now you're hoping he exceeds his expectation (which is unlikely) just to match up with the other consistent ace. JFSAG, the reductio ad absurdum of your argument would be that you would want guys who are extremely inconsistent and then you have no idea what to expect, but maybe you'll get lucky and he'll do amazing. There is one consistent ace right now, and that's Kershaw. But last year's consistent ace was Arietta, and he had a bad playoff game anyway. Any #2 is going to have ace nights and #3 or worse nights. You would take a greater percentage of ace nights even it it were offset by being worse in his bad starts, when choosing between two guys with he same overall stat line. Once you get to your #3 and #4 guys, if your choice is between a guy who is quite consistent (if there even is such a thing) and a guy who is less so, you want the guy who is less so, who can sometimes pitch like an ace. Porcello right now is a normally inconsistent borderline #2 / #3 -- his season stats right now are #3, but that describes him going back a few years -- and that's just the sort of guy you want in your post-season 3 slot. Having him as your 4 guy is a strength.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 25, 2016 19:26:11 GMT -5
Cafardo just on NESN saying that he thinks that the Sox will be players for Ervin Santana, who has a 4.53 SIERA (114 ERA-) after a 4.43 last year. That should give pause to anyone who thinks we're currently in the market for SP. This is, after all, the guy who alluded all winter about Steven Wright fighting for a spot on the roster.
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Post by artfuldodger on Jun 25, 2016 19:50:26 GMT -5
One skill that DD has that may have been previously mentioned in this thread is his ability to trade with other contenders at the deadline. I would not be surprised to see either a straight trade or three way trade with either Cleveland or Texas at the deadline.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 25, 2016 20:01:41 GMT -5
One skill that DD has that may have been previously mentioned in this thread is his ability to trade with other contenders at the deadline. I would not be surprised to see either a straight trade or three way trade with either Cleveland or Texas at the deadline. But, nothing has been entered into evidence.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2016 20:39:44 GMT -5
Cafardo just on NESN saying that he thinks that the Sox will be players for Ervin Santana, who has a 4.53 SIERA (114 ERA-) after a 4.43 last year. That should give pause to anyone who thinks we're currently in the market for SP. This is, after all, the guy who alluded all winter about Steven Wright fighting for a spot on the roster. It's amazing how little of what he says actually makes sense. I mean, incredible even, because he's actually paid to do it. The worst.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 25, 2016 20:46:46 GMT -5
Cafardo just on NESN saying that he thinks that the Sox will be players for Ervin Santana, who has a 4.53 SIERA (114 ERA-) after a 4.43 last year. That should give pause to anyone who thinks we're currently in the market for SP. This is, after all, the guy who alluded all winter about Steven Wright fighting for a spot on the roster. It's amazing how little of what he says actually makes sense. I mean, incredible even, because he's actually paid to do it. The worst. This WKRP reference is probably lost on a lot of people but Cafardo is truly the Les Nessman of the Boston Globe.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2016 20:56:09 GMT -5
It's amazing how little of what he says actually makes sense. I mean, incredible even, because he's actually paid to do it. The worst. This WKRP reference is probably lost on a lot of people but Cafardo is truly the Les Nessman of the Boston Globe. So accurate. He's also an unrepentant douche in personal communication. I've never gotten anything other than sarcasm or smug stupidity back from him. Dan Shaughnessy might bitch a lot in his articles, but he's a major class act in email responses. Gracious, articulate, and complimentary. Cafardo is the polar opposite. Like Les Nessman sprinkled with Louie DePalma.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 25, 2016 21:34:56 GMT -5
So many teams are a decent pitcher away from making the playoffs. It is going to be beyond tough for dombrowski to secure a trade for one, and keep our top prospects,
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 25, 2016 22:17:24 GMT -5
This WKRP reference is probably lost on a lot of people but Cafardo is truly the Les Nessman of the Boston Globe. So accurate. He's also an unrepentant douche in personal communication. I've never gotten anything other than sarcasm or smug stupidity back from him. Dan Shaughnessy might bitch a lot in his articles, but he's a major class act in email responses. Gracious, articulate, and complimentary. Cafardo is the polar opposite. Like Les Nessman sprinkled with Louie DePalma. I got the Louie DePalma reference. I compared him to Nessman because Les was always stuck in a time warp from the 1950s with no idea how the current world around him worked while in Nick's case, I'd say it's the 70s because he has no idea how analytical stats work. I'm no expert, but at least I can acknowledge their importance. Nick is all about pimping Boras' clients and old school baseball knowledge, stuff that he flaunts and then derisively shakes his fist at anything that takes more than 10 seconds of real thought. But at least Les was likable in a dorky type of way. Interesting what you said about Shaughnessy. He's frustrating in that he truly IS a gifted writer, but he has crafted his writing persona to be that cynical agitated archetype writer in the style of Dave Egan (which is ironic because Egan hated Ted Williams yet Shaughnessy using the same style wound up having a friend in Williams who gave his daughter moral support when she was sick). I get the sense that Shaughnessy is totally in it for ego and money, which is a shame - he doesn't exude that love of baseball the way Peter Gammons does. He shares a lot of that old school we did everything better - these young nerds in the basement with all those numbers know nothing attitude that Cafardo has. I was surprised to hear you say that his correspondence was respectful and courteous and it was Cafardo that was the other way. With Shaughnessy it's really a shame because he really is a talented writer and Cafardo has no talent other than being in the right place at the right time. Makes me sad because I remember rushing to 7-11 every Sunday morning to buy the Boston Globe for the privilege of reading Gammons' articles (prior to the internet of course.) Now that section (with the exception of Speier) is complete garbage.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 25, 2016 23:13:16 GMT -5
I think that we need to get top pieces without giving up anything of value. We need to score more runs and give up fewer runs. And most importantly, we need to not lose any more games.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2016 23:35:51 GMT -5
So accurate. He's also an unrepentant douche in personal communication. I've never gotten anything other than sarcasm or smug stupidity back from him. Dan Shaughnessy might bitch a lot in his articles, but he's a major class act in email responses. Gracious, articulate, and complimentary. Cafardo is the polar opposite. Like Les Nessman sprinkled with Louie DePalma. I got the Louie DePalma reference. I compared him to Nessman because Les was always stuck in a time warp from the 1950s with no idea how the current world around him worked while in Nick's case, I'd say it's the 70s because he has no idea how analytical stats work. I'm no expert, but at least I can acknowledge their importance. Nick is all about pimping Boras' clients and old school baseball knowledge, stuff that he flaunts and then derisively shakes his fist at anything that takes more than 10 seconds of real thought. But at least Les was likable in a dorky type of way. Interesting what you said about Shaughnessy. He's frustrating in that he truly IS a gifted writer, but he has crafted his writing persona to be that cynical agitated archetype writer in the style of Dave Egan (which is ironic because Egan hated Ted Williams yet Shaughnessy using the same style wound up having a friend in Williams who gave his daughter moral support when she was sick). I get the sense that Shaughnessy is totally in it for ego and money, which is a shame - he doesn't exude that love of baseball the way Peter Gammons does. He shares a lot of that old school we did everything better - these young nerds in the basement with all those numbers know nothing attitude that Cafardo has. I was surprised to hear you say that his correspondence was respectful and courteous and it was Cafardo that was the other way. With Shaughnessy it's really a shame because he really is a talented writer and Cafardo has no talent other than being in the right place at the right time. Makes me sad because I remember rushing to 7-11 every Sunday morning to buy the Boston Globe for the privilege of reading Gammons' articles (prior to the internet of course.) Now that section (with the exception of Speier) is complete garbage. Eloquently stated. I think very much the same. Right down to Gammons. Every Sunday in the dining hall in college, I searched the tables for the Sunday Notes, often nursing some degree of hangover, and gorged myself on omelets, cranberry juice, Lucky Charms, and baseball. Got me through some very dark Maine winters. -34F (straight up, sans windchill) makes imagining the smooth, golden shimmer of the setting sun on infield dirt and the impossibly white uniforms of the season's early days very, very difficult. I was a little surprised with Shaughnessey, but I left the interactions thinking he actually loved baseball, and maybe writing even more, but that the persona he created to write successfully in Boston was molded by years of cynicism, loss, heartbreak, and frustration. It became impossible to separate the perception of the team by the populace from the reality itself. In some ways, I think that he (and crochety ol' Will McDonough, and maybe Bob Ryan) reinforced that perception to the point where the *teams* believed it. When the new ownership group came in, they swept a lot of that mindset away (in the organization), and that's how they could finally, cathartically, believe in their ability to win, and thus do so. Once 2004 had come and gone (God, beating the Yankees was so, so sweet), the curmudgeon character was outdated, tired...irrelevant. I think Shaughnessey spent so long writing as that persona that he's had a hard time creating (or even entertaining the genesis of) a new one. What's really amazing, though, is that Cafardo is still there. It's as if the Globe, as an institution, is struggling to shed the shackles of past perception. Cafardo remains the hyper-reactionary, highly emotional, wed-to-the-oldschool voice of the populist Red Sox fan of the '70s-'90s, always sure the other shoe will drop. Always convinced that today is the only day. Always opining in a way that leaves you wondering if he's convinced himself that, come November, the franchise will close its hallowed doors forever. He channels all of the angst with none of the charm or eloquence. He is talk radio, bluntly re-imagined in print.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 26, 2016 11:24:45 GMT -5
Sox are 9-13 for the month of June thus far. They need to sweep the rest of this month's schedule to finish at .500.
41 of the Sox last 63 games are on the road. Run any kind of legit analytics for win probabilities for this teams vs. those teams you like. Sox as currently constructed will, at best, finish just above .500 in those away games; more likely somewhere south of .470.
Of course it's baseball so anything can happen, and even championship teams have bad months. Also, I think we all know that the team on the field today will more than likely not be the team on the field during those last 63 games (then again, the same can be said for Toronto, which, by the own admission will be moving Sanchez to the pen sometime during the second half). But regardless, I think it's pretty clear that after July 26, things will become much more difficult for this team unless:
1) They get more effective limiting runs allowed (I continue to believe they can't win their division remaining in the bottom third in runs allowed). 2) Significant (which does not mean sweeping - but, let's say "impactful") changes are made. 3) Papi and his feet stay healthy. 4) They play much better than they have in June (duh).
I loved Friday's win, but as the oldest saying goes, momentum in baseball is all about the next day's pitcher(s). I know some people have focused in the starters, but I really think reinforcements in the pen are more important, along with better pen management, but that ain't happening. At least one of the black offensive holes in LF and C have to be improved, as well.
The moves I'd make - Vizcaino + Markakis (and play in LF as a platoon) + one more internal pen improvement (Light, Kelly, etc.) + game-to-game shortening of the leash on any starter crapping the bed from the 5th inning on and use the re-bostered pen to lock down as much of the rest of each game as possible.
So, yeah - the 2014-15 Royals with (hopefully) better offense.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 26, 2016 13:21:31 GMT -5
Sox are 9-13 for the month of June thus far. They need to sweep the rest of this month's schedule to finish at .500. 41 of the Sox last 63 games are on the road. Run any kind of legit analytics for win probabilities for this teams vs. those teams you like. Sox as currently constructed will, at best, finish just above .500 in those away games; more likely somewhere south of .470. Of course it's baseball so anything can happen, and even championship teams have bad months. Also, I think we all know that the team on the field today will more than likely not be the team on the field during those last 63 games (then again, the same can be said for Toronto, which, by the own admission will be moving Sanchez to the pen sometime during the second half). But regardless, I think it's pretty clear that after July 26, things will become much more difficult for this team unless: 1) They get more effective limiting runs allowed (I continue to believe they can't win their division remaining in the bottom third in runs allowed). 2) Significant (which does not mean sweeping - but, let's say "impactful") changes are made. 3) Papi and his feet stay healthy. 4) They play much better than they have in June (duh). I loved Friday's win, but as the oldest saying goes, momentum in baseball is all about the next day's pitcher(s). I know some people have focused in the starters, but I really think reinforcements in the pen are more important, along with better pen management, but that ain't happening. At least one of the black offensive holes in LF and C have to be improved, as well. The moves I'd make - Vizcaino + Markakis (and play in LF as a platoon) + one more internal pen improvement (Light, Kelly, etc.) + game-to-game shortening of the leash on any starter crapping the bed from the 5th inning on and use the re-bostered pen to lock down as much of the rest of each game as possible. So, yeah - the 2014-15 Royals with (hopefully) better offense. Yup. We're both definitely fans of the get-Vizcaino-cheap-on-a-salary-dump idea. Fernando Rodney may be 39, but he sits 95 and as pitched to a mid-2 FIP. SD would surely move him for something short of a top prospect. Maybe a guy like Chavis or Ockimey (which would sting a lot, but wouldn't be a complete disaster). I also think that they need to audition internal options, as you said. Trading for a starter is downright stupid unless they don't touch their top-5, and the starter is actually a real upgrade over Buchholz, which is debatable even for a guy like Teheran.
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Post by jmei on Jun 26, 2016 13:35:31 GMT -5
41 of the Sox last 63 games are on the road. Run any kind of legit analytics for win probabilities for this teams vs. those teams you like. Sox as currently constructed will, at best, finish just above .500 in those away games; more likely somewhere south of .470. Fangraphs projects the Red Sox to go .547 the rest of the way, which is the highest projected rest-of-season record of any AL team ( link). The heavy slate of road games is balanced by the fact that they have a relatively easy strength of schedule the rest of the way (they've played the second-hardest schedule in the AL to date (including a lot of divisional games against the Blue Jays and Orioles) but have the fifth-easiest schedule going forward ( link)).
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Post by Guidas on Jun 26, 2016 14:04:07 GMT -5
41 of the Sox last 63 games are on the road. Run any kind of legit analytics for win probabilities for this teams vs. those teams you like. Sox as currently constructed will, at best, finish just above .500 in those away games; more likely somewhere south of .470. Fangraphs projects the Red Sox to go .547 the rest of the way, which is the highest projected rest-of-season record of any AL team ( link). The heavy slate of road games is balanced by the fact that they have a relatively easy strength of schedule the rest of the way (they've played the second-hardest schedule in the AL to date (including a lot of divisional games against the Blue Jays and Orioles) but have the fifth-easiest schedule going forward ( link)). So, Fangraphs aside, you don't see this month as a regression closer to the mean - albeit below the mean - and the mitigation of the road record going forward as factors that would have this team playing roughly .500 ball the rest of the way?
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 26, 2016 14:12:23 GMT -5
I also imagine that some of that will be mitigated by the fact that by the trade deadline, some of the better teams should get better and some of the worst teams should get worse. As teams start tanking for draft picks and trading away players, those games should be easier to win, especially if we ourselves make any trades to get better.
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Post by deepjohn on Jun 26, 2016 16:38:05 GMT -5
No, I really mean from someone like you who can see these things from a wealth of experience, like the forest from the trees. Otherwise, SSS applies. IMHO, I don't think there's any GM who does not observe the truism that you always "need" more consistent pitching than you have. It's really that valuable. The only question is what will you give up for it. The trade rumor, it seemed, was Teheran/Vizcaino (possibly Markakis salary dump) for Benintendi (plus lesser prospects). Now if you are asking my opinion (I'm flattered), I think the Braves would be crazy to do that trade, and it's a no brainer for the Sox. But that's just me (and I will cry real tears to lose Benny Baseball!). Ah, gotcha. I'd say this though: anecdotal evidence is generalizing a hypothesis and strengthening it to a "proven theory" or truism based on personal experience. What I'm pointing out isn't anecdotal, because I'm not generalizing. I'm giving examples that disprove a theory, i.e that good/consistent pitching is required to win in the postseason. Disproving a theory only requires one example. But even so, on balance, which of the last 15 WS-winning teams won with pitching, and which ones won with offense? Or both? And Eric makes a good point: a pitcher who goes 6 innings, giving up 3 runs each time as your #4 starter is less likely to assure you two wins than is the guy who gives up 2 runs twice and 5 the third time. So unless you're talking consistent *excellence*, consistency is probably a detriment. *Peak* talent might actually be more crucial. When I have a minute I'm going to put Teheran's game data in a spreadsheet, along with all the Sox starters. My guess is that Teheran will have the highest "confidence level" of giving up the fewest runs in any given game.* Of course, I don't propose that I have a large enough data set to prove anything. I'm just saying that's all I mean by "consistency". I feel like you and ericmvan may be using the word in another sense, which is also quite valid, while I'm thinking quite narrowly of: "consistency == confidence level". (And as a GM, consistency qua confidence level matters, IMHO.) ADD:*Technically, the definition I am thinking of is, "the probability that the value of a parameter falls within a specified range of values." As a corollary, I suspect the "confidence level" will be quite low that Buch or Erod will allow as few runs as Teheran in any given game.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 26, 2016 17:09:39 GMT -5
Teheran has three years of control including this one. A deadline deal would be 6 years of Benintendi to get 2 1/3 years of Teheran, plus a draft pick if they don't change the CBA before then. And actually, nothing in my quiz (except maybe the briefness of the footnote, where I didn't want to start speculating about the depth of the rotation in 2017 and 2018) implied anything about duration. It was the value of Teheran this year versus the value of Benintendi that we expect in, say, 2021. One year versus one year, and it's really clear that the Benny year has more value. That there are 5 extra years of Benny and two of Teheran I left as an exercise for the thoughtful. The point of this quiz is that upgrading a strength is a really stupid idea. If E-Rod is the guy we projected going into this year, then Rick Porcello is currently the game 4 starter. Of the 20 guys who started for the last 5 WS winners, Porcello would rank 8th in xFIP- and 12th in bWAR/GS -- and in both cases, one of the guys ahead of him was the injured Clay Buchholz. So he's a WS-winning #2 or #3 starter, toss a coin but give a slight edge to #2. And people think he's not good enough to start game 4? Get real. AMEN Of course starting pitchers don't have injuries and depth is not a concern in the least, for the love of god use some common sense beyond the numbers, this coming from a guy whose believes you start with the numbers and play off of them when needed. Despite having the top offense in baseball the team has played below .500 for about a month now.
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