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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2016 11:18:16 GMT -5
Do guys ever throw around outlandish price tags in hopes of falling a certain team? Perhaps with a mutual interest involved with a team at a certain price?? Perhaps a certain team from Massachusetts? Anyway, I know the GM doesn't make picks, but he certainly has a say in 12th overall, and Groome seems like Dombrowski's kind of pitcher. As I recall, Theo was pretty active in this process and had the final word, and was very involved on deciding first, sandwich and some second round picks. Not sure it was the same with Cherington as my friend who worked in the FO left soon after Theo departed, but I would hesitate to make any assumptions on the final decision-making process.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2016 11:24:20 GMT -5
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 9, 2016 11:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 9, 2016 12:16:04 GMT -5
Do guys ever throw around outlandish price tags in hopes of falling a certain team? Perhaps with a mutual interest involved with a team at a certain price?? Perhaps a certain team from Massachusetts? Anyway, I know the GM doesn't make picks, but he certainly has a say in 12th overall, and Groome seems like Dombrowski's kind of pitcher. sooooooooooooo you're saying there's a chance?!?!? (said with best Jim Carrey voice)
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 9, 2016 12:23:48 GMT -5
No credibility there at all; they don't even know about Perez's failed PED test.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 9, 2016 12:30:53 GMT -5
I'd be interested in seeing the success rate of catchers drafted early. Rounds 1-3. Seems they flop at a seemingly high rate. Maybe just ours:) And, no I'm not calling Swihart a flop....
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Post by radiohix on Jun 9, 2016 13:14:20 GMT -5
Still have hope for Garrett. Of course if Groome fall, it'll be a different story.
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2016 13:51:46 GMT -5
That Thaiss tweet made my day infinitely/embarrassingly more stressful. He's a patient gap and slap hitter who may not even stick behind the plate. If he fell to our 2nd round pick I would be happy, but man what a waste he'd be at 12. It would be the most disappointed I've personally been in our 1st round choice since Marrero (I was low on him).
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 9, 2016 13:54:42 GMT -5
Based on the smoke and mirrors, it would not surprise me if the top 11 fell as follows (not a mock):
1. Philadelphia Phillies - OF Mickey Moniak, La Costa Canyon (CA) HS (underslot deal) 2. Cincinnati Reds - LHP A.J. Puk, University of Florida 3. Atlanta Braves - RHP Ian Anderson, Shenendehowa (NY) HS (underslot deal) 4. Colorado Rockies - RHP Riley Pint, St. Thomas Aquinas (KN) HS 5. Milwaukee Brewers - OF Corey Ray, Louisville 6. Oakland Athletics - OF Kyle Lewis, Mercer (could have gone Manning but cannot pass up Lewis) 7. Miami Marlins - LHP Braxton Garrett, Florence (AL) HS 8. San Diego Padres - LHP Jason Groome, Barnegat (NJ) HS (bit of a wild card, could see Manning here but rumor is strong that Groome lands here) 9. Detroit Tigers - RHP Matt Manning, Sheldon (CA) HS (bit of a wild card, Rutherford a possibility but rumor is strong that DET wants an arm) 10. Chicago White Sox - RHP Justin Dunn, Boston College (could have gone Senzel but CWS stick to their board and take the arm) 11. Seattle Mariners - 3B Nick Senzel, Tennessee (SEA would have loved Dunn but take the falling Senzel)
In this scenario, BOS chooses among Rutherford, Collins, Hudson and Quantrill (this year's Brady Aiken).
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2016 14:03:12 GMT -5
Comment From Mike Are the Red Sox set to take Collins or Thaiss at 12? Any names they would prefer if they fell?
Frankie Piliere: That's the rumor but I still think there are other options on the table. I think they are waiting for a surprise to kick someone from the top ten down to them and Collins and Thaiss are the safe fallbacks if that doesn't happen.
Comment From MadBostonian Why would the Red Sox not take Jason Groome if he is somehow available? For team that needs to develop premium pitching that would be baffling.
Frankie Piliere: Price tag. You only have so much bonus pool money and if the financials don't work...they don't work. Not saying it's impossible but that's what teams have to deal with
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2016 14:13:03 GMT -5
It would be funny to see Cleveland end up with Aiken and Quantrill.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2016 14:23:53 GMT -5
Since this is kinda the game day thread, I had to post this so no one misses it. Sorry for OT.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2016 14:29:45 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 9, 2016 14:30:09 GMT -5
Based on the smoke and mirrors, it would not surprise me if the top 11 fell as follows (not a mock): 1. Philadelphia Phillies - OF Mickey Moniak, La Costa Canyon (CA) HS (underslot deal) 2. Cincinnati Reds - LHP A.J. Puk, University of Florida 3. Atlanta Braves - RHP Ian Anderson, Shenendehowa (NY) HS (underslot deal) 4. Colorado Rockies - RHP Riley Pint, St. Thomas Aquinas (KN) HS 5. Milwaukee Brewers - OF Corey Ray, Louisville 6. Oakland Athletics - OF Kyle Lewis, Mercer (could have gone Manning but cannot pass up Lewis) 7. Miami Marlins - LHP Braxton Garrett, Florence (AL) HS 8. San Diego Padres - LHP Jason Groome, Barnegat (NJ) HS (bit of a wild card, could see Manning here but rumor is strong that Groome lands here) 9. Detroit Tigers - RHP Matt Manning, Sheldon (CA) HS (bit of a wild card, Rutherford a possibility but rumor is strong that DET wants an arm) 10. Chicago White Sox - RHP Justin Dunn, Boston College (could have gone Senzel but CWS stick to their board and take the arm) 11. Seattle Mariners - 3B Nick Senzel, Tennessee (SEA would have loved Dunn but take the falling Senzel) In this scenario, BOS chooses among Rutherford, Collins, Hudson and Quantrill (this year's Brady Aiken). amfox, am I correct in this breakdown of the 11 names most mentioned for 1 to 11 (the consensus being Manning will slide out)? First tier / no chance at sliding to us: Moniak, Puk, Pint, Ray, Lewis, Senzel Second tier / possible slides because of team(s) going outside of top 11: Garrett, Dunn, Collins Possible $ slides: Groome, Rutherford [we seem to be his stopping point] It just occurs to me that Perez could be one of those un-mocked picks if some team has inside info on the failed test.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 9, 2016 14:40:51 GMT -5
Yeah, we have to make sure we sign all 40 picks and that they all make the majors. No bad picks ever. Not every pick needs to hit, but a top 15 pick? Yeap. Need to hit on this pick. The Sox never get these kind of picks. This is a very important pick.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 9, 2016 14:41:10 GMT -5
Teams should be able to trade draft picks, it would make today that much more interesting
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Post by taftreign on Jun 9, 2016 14:43:32 GMT -5
Comment From Justin F Any chance Groome falls to the Red Sox?
Frankie Piliere: Yes but I don't think they'd take him
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 9, 2016 14:46:49 GMT -5
Final mock summary. * is a pick not among the mock consensus top 11. One of those usually slides Collins down to us, while it takes 2 to get someone more interesting.
Tm BA Callis Mayo Law SI Phi Moniak Moniak Moniak Moniak Puk Cin Senzel Senzel Senzel Puk Lewis Atl Lewis Ray Ray Lewis Groome Col Pint Puk Puk Pint Pint Mil Ray Collins R-ford Ray Ray Oak Puk Lewis Lewis Senzel Senzel Fla Garrett Garrett Garrett Groome *Whitley SD *Quant. Groome Groome Garrett Moniak Det Dunn Pint Pint R-ford *Hudson ChA Collins R-ford Dunn *Hudson R-ford Sea *Burdi Dunn Collins Dunn Collins Bos Groome Ian A. Thaiss Collins Garrett Over R-ford Dunn The unknowns appear to be:
Who Mil likes if Atl takes Ray; Who Det likes if nobody falls to them; Who SD, ChA and Sea like.
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2016 14:50:44 GMT -5
It would obviously be fantastic if we could float someone like Jones, Trammell, Benson, ect to the second round. That being said, there are some interesting guys who could end up on the board for our second pick. I really like Jefferies if his shoulder strain looks ok long term. Maybe one of Kay, Reed, or Shore fall a bit.
The 15-40 range in this draft is such a toss up. I hope we can get a pitcher with advanced command or a high upside bat in round 2.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 9, 2016 14:53:22 GMT -5
amfox, am I correct in this breakdown of the 11 names most mentioned for 1 to 11 (the consensus being Manning will slide out)? First tier / no chance at sliding to us: Moniak, Puk, Pint, Ray, Lewis, Senzel Second tier / possible slides because of team(s) going outside of top 11: Garrett, Dunn, Collins Possible $ slides: Groome, Rutherford [we seem to be his stopping point] It just occurs to me that Perez could be one of those un-mocked picks if some team has inside info on the failed test. Assuming Anderson and Manning are not in the top 11 you mention: First tier (6+1) - add Garrett (hearing that, even if MIA doesn't take him, he won't get to 12) Moniak, Puk, Pint, Ray, Lewis, Senzel, GarrettSecond tier (3-1+1) - add Rutherford (haven't heard he's a dollar issue) Dunn, Collins, RutherfordPossible $ slides (2-1) GroomeAs for Perez, anything is possible, but risk-reward likely dictates that he will fall at least to the second half of the first round (he's off my board entirely) and likely to a team with multiple first-round picks (STL, SD, WAS).
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 9, 2016 15:06:41 GMT -5
Yeah, we have to make sure we sign all 40 picks and that they all make the majors. No bad picks ever. Not every pick needs to hit, but a top 15 pick? Yeap. Need to hit on this pick. The Sox never get these kind of picks. This is a very important pick. Even top 15 picks fail very often, I always disliked that "we messed up on Ball, we shouldn't miss because we never pick this high" mentality. Even top picks miss often, heck even #1 overall picks miss. If you go back and study the top 10 top 15 of the draft you see A LOT more busts + marginal players than stars. What I also found very fascinating is pretty much every team that has had multiple top 10 picks over the last decade had drafted a guy who was arguably a complete bust inbetween a year or two of drafting a star. For example the Orioles drafted Matt Hobgood #5 overall and then the very next year took Manny Machado 3rd. Even looking at the #1 overall pick, the Rays took David Price one year and then Tim Beckham the next, and a few years before the Marlins drafted Jose Fernandez they drafted Kyle Skipworth. The odds aren't going to magically be better for the Red Sox because they haven't picked here as often over the last 2 decades. And guess what?, if Andrew Benintendi turns into the star we will have followed suit drafting he who shall not be mentioned 2 years prior. So relax, I'm 99.99% sure with a .01 margin of error that the Sox are going to try and draft the best player they can and even though there is a huge chance he will not be a superstar there is still a relatively good chance he will.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2016 15:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by southcoastghost on Jun 9, 2016 15:07:23 GMT -5
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Post by 0ap0 on Jun 9, 2016 15:08:48 GMT -5
DAMMIT JUST START THE DRAFT ALREADY AARRGGHHHHHHHH
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 9, 2016 15:11:37 GMT -5
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