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6/14-6/16 Red Sox vs. Baltimore Series Thead
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jun 15, 2016 21:30:08 GMT -5
Why does this always seem to get closer than it should've ever been with the Orioles? I'm feeling nostalgic for the good old days when the Red Sox used to absolutely own this team.
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Post by zimmerdown on Jun 15, 2016 21:31:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure I would put you in a class with those two. WCP3 is one of the guys who gets it and I find his negative posts the most enjoyable. They days of WillyCoPapi and ASAL and Norbit were the most enjoyable game day threads for me. Temple is an incredible source for prospect data/scouting and I put a ton of weight on what he has to say about a prospect. For the MLB game analysis, I don't really agree with much he has to say. I gloss over his negativity and none of it is funny. I never remember anything that provocative coming from you. Not saying that in a bad way, but you weren't on my radar, in terms of writing things that annoy me, or I see as negative for no good reason. My old time favorite was Godot. Godot was a nut! Golden Greek33 and I went at it a few times (not zimmerdown..it was different back then) He had way more baseball knowledge and prospect knowledge than I had/have, but he was a dick and a know-it-all. He ended up getting booted - I can't remember the reason. What about AMarshall and JSinger? Are they around under different names? Some names transitioned here, but I imagine many changed in the interim..Norbit is here I know under Pedro something or other. What about some other guys from back then?
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Post by zimmerdown on Jun 15, 2016 21:42:45 GMT -5
Ya'll realize you can just ignore (either using the ignore function or just through power of will) the particularly negative/dumb/trolling folks, right? If someone posts something dumb, trust that most folks know they've posted something dumb, and just roll your eyes and move on without starting a thing. Ignore / will is not authoritarian enough for most folks on the game thread. I have no idea what this means. Aren't "ignore" and "will" authoritarian, or some folks need to be MORE authoritarian? Not saying you are referring to me in particular, but I don't do "ignore". I do have the "will" to stay far away from game day threads when I know they are going to be drowning in sorrowful bridge jumpers and geniuses who could run a baseball team better than everybody else. It used to be so much better than this. Be better. That's all I am saying. If you've already said the same thing like 14 times, you can give it a rest. We get it. And try to mix in a little humor with your negative sarcastic reactionary posts. That's all I'm asking.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 15, 2016 21:52:26 GMT -5
Why does this always seem to get closer than it should've ever been with the Orioles? I'm feeling nostalgic for the good old days when the Red Sox used to absolutely own this team. On the other hand, the era of the Yankees dominating the division, I do not miss that. The new dynamic is much more interesting even if we've finished in last 3 of the last 4 years.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 15, 2016 21:52:43 GMT -5
AMarsh drifted away a while ago. I think he went to SOSH, but who knows? I haven't looked at that board for years. Don't have all that much time anymore.
But, since we're getting meta, I'll trade on my long time here to give a personal view: it's not the negativity per se that has me looking at these threads less and less, it's the tedium. Just the same "Farrell sucks!!!1!!" from some people over and over and over, with nothing new in any of it. Eric thinks Farrell sucks (at least at bullpen management), but he spells out some interesting reasons why. I enjoy Temple because he makes an interesting point that's usually different than the CW, even if it's deliberately over the top (and, more often than not, I agree with his underlying point). Be negative, be positive, it doesn't matter to me ... just be interesting. Or funny. Funny is even better than interesting because, after all, it's just baseball.
But, whatever, people can and will do whatever they want. Just my $.02
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 15, 2016 21:55:41 GMT -5
Good win. Stephen Wright has been a godsend. I still have 1995 Tim Wakefield flashbacks where he was so dominant in the first half and then got mauled in Sept. His overall numbers were still quite excellent, but in July he was the no doubt about it Game 1 starter and by October he was #3 behind Clemens having one of his worst years but rounding into shape and an Erik Hanson without his best pitch, his curveball, and Wakefield got mashed in Game 3.
Does this necessarily have anything to do with Wright? No, but I do worry about his regression. To regress to where a lot of us expect him to be he has to pitch kind of poorly at some point, but right now, he's been fantastic.
If he continues to pitch like this, the Sox have their #2 starter in the playoffs. They just need either E-Rod or Porcello to pitch better to claim the #3 spot, and the other one winds up #4, and if they're both serviceable, the Sox don't need to do something stupid to get a starter. This would be a great thing.
Hanley has looked better the past couple of games. Hopefully he's out of his slump. If he and Shaw can get hot again look out - their offense will go from being excellent to ridiculous again, although the catching spot is an offensive black hole. Anybody else like the idea of Swihart for catcher in 2017? His defense hasn't been good enough to negate his offense in my opinion. I think he'll be better but I'm not sold on him long-term over Swihart, who I think just needs more development time at catching and a commitment to let him do that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 15, 2016 21:56:49 GMT -5
I'm feeling nostalgic for the good old days when the Red Sox used to absolutely own this team. On the other hand, the era of the Yankees dominating the division, I do not miss that. The new dynamic is much more interesting even if we've finished in last 3 of the last 4 years. Last decade it was where the Sox and Yanks regularly beat up the Jays, Orioles, and Rays, and then when the Sox and Yanks would play it would be an intense war.
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Post by thursty on Jun 15, 2016 22:02:58 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you ignore? there doesn't seem to be any such functionality (viewing through web site)
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Post by libertine on Jun 15, 2016 22:08:49 GMT -5
If Wright doesn't watch it he might find himself on an all-star team.
Great win. Solid defense. Great starting pitching (Wright made just the one real mistake). And the offense did their job. Nice to see Hanley go deep. Now I get to stop hearing O'Brien remind me when his last HR was. And Kimbrel lately looking like the Kimbrel we thought we were getting.
I get a kick out of these series threads, watching people living and dying game by game. I used to be that way but I was able to cure myself of that at the end of the 2004 season.
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Post by zimmerdown on Jun 15, 2016 22:12:47 GMT -5
"Good win. Stephen Wright has been a godsend." 7 1/3 IP 3 ER
"David Price is soft as puppy sh*t" 8 IP 3 ER
redsox040713...not saying this about you..I agree with what you have to say. This is just my continued rant on what I read here day to day. Please be better than this. It's a long season. Vasquez is going to be a great catcher. Price will probably be ok as a pitcher, not sure.
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Post by ajs1994 on Jun 15, 2016 22:19:09 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you ignore? there doesn't seem to be any such functionality (viewing through web site) Click on the person's username, and on the next page click the little settings button and on the drop down menu "Block Member" will appear. Click that.
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Post by thursty on Jun 15, 2016 22:29:10 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you ignore? there doesn't seem to be any such functionality (viewing through web site) Click on the person's username, and on the next page click the little settings button and on the drop down menu "Block Member" will appear. Click that. thanks
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Post by zimmerdown on Jun 15, 2016 22:32:57 GMT -5
Remember at the beginning of last year when we had a catching prospect who was also a top 25 prospect in baseball? But we chose a career minor leaguer over him because that catcher has mystical powers. And then we learned those powers were a ruse? Can we please go back in time and undo that? I'm just going to leave this here. This was posted a couple after I said he was disgusted with Vasquez. Is this serious? Is this sarcastic? Is this funny? Does this lead to discussion? What does this statement (in the form of a few questions) say to you? To me it is someone telling me that they are smarter than me. Is there any shred of humor in this post?
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Post by klostrophobic on Jun 15, 2016 23:57:49 GMT -5
Serious question - how do you ignore? there doesn't seem to be any such functionality (viewing through web site) Just go to forum.soxprospects.com/user/166 and click on the adorable little gear on the right to select block user. If done correctly you won't see this message.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 16, 2016 5:15:59 GMT -5
Was there a game on in this thread last night? Couldn't tell with all the talk about negativity and learning how to block people.
Either way last night was huge, tonight is even bigger.
Eduardo has got to find a way to keep these birds in their cage and prevent them from leaving the yard (homerun). The homerun is the problem with Eduardo, along with the strength to last within a full game the same way he starts a game. He started out real strong last time (94-95 mph) but then his velocity faded and he started to get smacked around by the Kurt Suzuki's of baseball.
Now he faces the second or third best lineup in baseball. A team that hits more homeruns than any other team in baseball.
This should be interesting.
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Post by nomar on Jun 16, 2016 7:36:44 GMT -5
Rooting hard for Eduardo tonight. He has his velo back last start, and if he can kick it into gear it would relieve a ton of pressure from this rotation.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 16, 2016 8:18:45 GMT -5
I honestly can't believe how much I like a knuckleball pitcher, but here we are folks.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 16, 2016 8:24:44 GMT -5
The voice of reason strikes again. WCP, Temple, myself , and others are not for everyone. None mentioned chase people down for reaction. Not that hard to avoid. I'm not sure I would put you in a class with those two. WCP3 is one of the guys who gets it and I find his negative posts the most enjoyable. They days of WillyCoPapi and ASAL and Norbit were the most enjoyable game day threads for me. Temple is an incredible source for prospect data/scouting and I put a ton of weight on what he has to say about a prospect. For the MLB game analysis, I don't really agree with much he has to say. I gloss over his negativity and none of it is funny. I never remember anything that provocative coming from you. Not saying that in a bad way, but you weren't on my radar, in terms of writing things that annoy me, or I see as negative for no good reason. What I miss most is the sense of humor and inside jokes so many posters on this board had. Granted a lot of it went over the line and I agree with the reasons for banning profanity, but people on here were so clever with their venting. That isn't really the case anymore. On the flip side, it never ceases to make me laugh when people complain about the negativity of game day threads.
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 16, 2016 9:07:10 GMT -5
Remember at the beginning of last year when we had a catching prospect who was also a top 25 prospect in baseball? But we chose a career minor leaguer over him because that catcher has mystical powers. And then we learned those powers were a ruse? Can we please go back in time and undo that? I'm just going to leave this here. This was posted a couple after I said he was disgusted with Vasquez. Is this serious? Is this sarcastic? Is this funny? Does this lead to discussion? What does this statement (in the form of a few questions) say to you? To me it is someone telling me that they are smarter than me. Is there any shred of humor in this post? I didn't get this post either. Vazquez is a "career minor leaguer" now? What?
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 16, 2016 10:02:26 GMT -5
E-Rod at night and against the O's? *knocks on wood
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 16, 2016 10:11:35 GMT -5
Was there a game on in this thread last night? Couldn't tell with all the talk about negativity and learning how to block people. Either way last night was huge, tonight is even bigger. Eduardo has got to find a way to keep these birds in their cage and prevent them from leaving the yard (homerun). The homerun is the problem with Eduardo, along with the strength to last within a full game the same way he starts a game. He started out real strong last time (94-95 mph) but then his velocity faded and he started to get smacked around by the Kurt Suzuki's of baseball. Now he faces the second or third best lineup in baseball. A team that hits more homeruns than any other team in baseball. This should be interesting. Nah, tonight isn't all that big. When you're in the situation the Sox (and the O's) are now, the big thing in a series like this is, just don't get swept and create a significant shift in the standings. Both teams have accomplished that, so tonight's game simply determines who is in first place tomorrow -- which may change the day after that. Yes, in the big picture wins in April or June count as much as wins in September. But when you are in the middle of competition and your situation is much more clear than it was earlier in the season, individual games count so much more in one's consciousness. They just do. It's the same phenomenon that occurs in miniature in individual games, when performance in the late innings seems to mean so much more than performance (or lack of it) earlier in the game, IF the game is at all competitive. The Sox scored early and stayed in front last night and everyone goes ho hum. If the O's had gotten their 4 runs early and the Sox had scored their 6 in the 7th and 8th rather than the 2nd and 3rd, everyone would be much more excited. It's the way human nature works.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 16, 2016 10:18:00 GMT -5
Remember at the beginning of last year when we had a catching prospect who was also a top 25 prospect in baseball? But we chose a career minor leaguer over him because that catcher has mystical powers. And then we learned those powers were a ruse? Can we please go back in time and undo that? Sorry -- for the time being we cannot go back in time. Just for reference, when Jason Varitek was 25, he WAS, literally, a career minor leaguer. You have to be patient with catchers. And this is why I've pretty consistently been saying we need to let the Vazquez/Swihart situation play out with them both in the organization, and not trade either of them. Beyond the current injury issue, we really don't know what the true story is with either of them at this point, and having two potentially very good catchers developing in parallel, I just don't see why we should make an early decision and potentially screw things up completely. Catcher is SUCH a franchise-driving position that it's the LAST situation on the roster that I'd want to make hasty decisions about.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 16, 2016 13:01:35 GMT -5
Great, send those numbers to Cooperstown. First Homerun in over a month and your wetting yourself over distance. How about hitting like your paid then we'll keep track of distance WTF are you talking about? Cool your jets chief, nobody is wetting themselves. I basically just said that was the first time Hanley has pulled the ball in the air. Breath kid, breath. Ramirez is a Bust. Another Cherington Blunder that has this organization on its heels due to the lack of pitching depth. I will agree, maybe a few more tape measure hits and you can unload this contract to another taker.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 16, 2016 13:09:18 GMT -5
Ignore / will is not authoritarian enough for most folks on the game thread. I have no idea what this means. Aren't "ignore" and "will" authoritarian, or some folks need to be MORE authoritarian? Not saying you are referring to me in particular, but I don't do "ignore". I do have the "will" to stay far away from game day threads when I know they are going to be drowning in sorrowful bridge jumpers and geniuses who could run a baseball team better than everybody else. It used to be so much better than this. Be better. That's all I am saying. If you've already said the same thing like 14 times, you can give it a rest. We get it. And try to mix in a little humor with your negative sarcastic reactionary posts. That's all I'm asking. Ignore or will is more passive/aggressive to me. What i was trying to say was authoritarian responses are more engaging as people like to shout at each other on certain topics that they are right. Which is good, for the most part. I hope that makes sense. I don't care what people post, I view us all as brothers with the same goal of hoping the Sox will be World Champs. Godot was entertaining as could be for me, even though i often felt like the words were going to jump out of the screen and punch whomever he was responding to. It was pretty funny. I think we are on the same page here.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 16, 2016 13:21:56 GMT -5
WTF are you talking about? Cool your jets chief, nobody is wetting themselves. I basically just said that was the first time Hanley has pulled the ball in the air. Breath kid, breath. Dnfl is a troll btw, don't encourage him. You boys keep applauding the efforts of these bad contracts to include Porcello Sandoval Ramirez Castillo Craig Kelly and to a lesser extent Price. Now, all hope is put on the shoulders of a journeyman knuckleballer with a 200 million dollar payroll. Just remember this when the going gets tough. Lester 3.25 ERA since he "left" Boston. Lackey 2.75 ERA since he "left" Boston. There is your #1 and #2 Starting Pitchers for less than what your paying David Price. Where are those two Aces? Back with an Ex-Boston GM whose Team is the NL favorite for the World Series. Im just calling it like it is. If thats trolling you and others are thin skinned. The team is flawed due in part to very ? signings and trades the last few years. Now we hear rumors of Dombrowski having to answer directly to Henry? Your a legit #2 arm and bullpen help away from being a contender. Make a trade and make some moves, thats all.
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