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7/19-7/20 Red Sox vs. Giants Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Jul 19, 2016 22:10:32 GMT -5
And of course, Speier just posted this piece a little bit ago. Title: "Prospect movement part of the Red Sox changing landscape." And he's not talking moving up a level movement, either: When there is an opportunity to win, Dombrowski looks to improve his team’s odds, dealing freely and aggressively from his prospect inventory (including his top young talents) to do so. In its own right, such an approach is not intrinsically good or bad so much as it represents a contrast to how the Red Sox conducted business for much of the past 11 years. If the past is any guide, that changed approach will be felt by players at every level of the organization.
www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/07/19/prospect-movement-part-red-sox-changing-landscape/YlFQJWJacIdJyKNnd4nbCJ/story.htmlI just thought we were done with this for a while. Serves me right for ignoring that he's got 11 mpre days to play this part of the game.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 19, 2016 22:12:24 GMT -5
Panic in the streets. I'll say it one more time, for what it's worth. There's a lot more interchangeability in a typical relief corps than most of us are willing to admit. It's the reason why some of us felt the SD prospect haul was a little high.
The team is 1/2 game out of first place, that's even with Kimbrel's mediocre outings and Uehara's poor run average. They can just stick Ziegler in there till Kimbrel gets back in a few weeks. Tazawa is due back any day, and there are lots of other warm bodies out there.
The notion that this is the end of the line for the team this year is the sort of whiny bleed that really makes some of the threads hard to read. It's barely worth responding to.
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Post by jmei on Jul 19, 2016 22:15:02 GMT -5
Quit the petty bickering.
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Post by thursty on Jul 19, 2016 22:15:03 GMT -5
Please, go away - your constant, boring, tripe is just nauseating
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Post by jmei on Jul 19, 2016 22:20:46 GMT -5
What's with the sudden policing of nicknames? People have been calling Panda nasty nicknames alluding to his weight and I didn't see anyone make a deal out of it. There was plenty of pushback then, as I recall. For the record, I think the belittling of players, coaches and executives (and agents, and reporters, and umpires, and so on and so forth) is generally unnecessary, immature and unbecoming. But, in the game thread, I'm generally not inclined to edit it out or anything.
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Post by jmei on Jul 19, 2016 22:27:48 GMT -5
Please, go away - your constant, boring, tripe is just nauseating Please try being less abrasive. Thx.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 19, 2016 22:34:15 GMT -5
Well currently the four top relievers to start the year are injured. Still, not necessary to trade at this moment. Ziegler can close. Tazawa may be back Friday. Hembree, Barnes and Ross can be trusted.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 19, 2016 22:42:52 GMT -5
So between Kyle Martin, Pat Light, and Noe Ramirez...
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 19, 2016 22:54:07 GMT -5
Look, I won't try to say that having top flight stuff at the end of the game isn't important. But it is a much bigger deal in the playoffs when the pressure is on to win the handful of games you need to move on. The Sox may just have the best starting staff in the AL at this point, and they're not devoid of resources in the pen.
With that offense, they're perfectly capable of staying in the hunt. What they need to do is insure that they have healthy arms at the end of the season
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Post by freshbeer on Jul 19, 2016 22:56:35 GMT -5
I am new here, but been reading it for about a year, so decided to join. to the poster ( page 3 ) in here, not only would I trade Owens for Miller but I would be more than happy to include Sandoval top of Owens for Miller.
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Post by danr on Jul 19, 2016 23:00:51 GMT -5
I am new here, but been reading it for about a year, so decided to join. to the poster ( page 3 ) in here, not only would I trade Owens for Miller but I would be more than happy to include Sandoval top of Owens for Miller. Sandoval has negative value now, which means if you include him in a deal, you have to give up more than you otherwise might have to. So, no, no one is taking Sandoval. The Six are stuck with him.
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Post by freshbeer on Jul 19, 2016 23:03:07 GMT -5
I am new here, but been reading it for about a year, so decided to join. to the poster ( page 3 ) in here, not only would I trade Owens for Miller but I would be more than happy to include Sandoval top of Owens for Miller. Sandoval has negative value now, which means if you include him in a deal, you have to give up more than you otherwise might have to. So, no, no one is taking Sandoval. The Six are stuck with him. Yeah, you are probably right kinda of depressing about it. just have to hope Sandoval can hit high 280s to low 290s when he comes back next year and then maybe we can trade him.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 19, 2016 23:25:48 GMT -5
Please, go away - your constant, boring, tripe is just nauseating Please try being less abrasive. Thx. I'm going to miss thursty's attempted takedowns of me, because they generally make me smile in their lameness. I actually think I've laughed out loud once or twice. But it's time to block him. Here's a great potential study, except it's personality psych (one of my other passions) and not sabermetrics: get an objective measurement of substantive contributions to the board and correlate it with game thread negativity. My subjective memory sense is that I'm losing nothing of the former by blocking the latter. The underlying psychological hypothesis is that no one who thinks [about the game] rationally would even entertain the thought that the team is actually terrible, or gutless or whatever, or the season is over, because they lost a single game. (Not only has such a thought never crossed my mind, I find it hard to imagine what it would be like to have a mind that it happened in, let alone one that would state it in public.) And of course a fundamentally rational style of thought is arguably a prerequisite for insightful, substantive posting.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 19, 2016 23:29:33 GMT -5
I am new here, but been reading it for about a year, so decided to join. to the poster ( page 3 ) in here, not only would I trade Owens for Miller but I would be more than happy to include Sandoval top of Owens for Miller. We have an entire subforum devoted to trade proposals. I'd encourage you to visit it. We try to keep those out of this forum. Others should heed that advice also. I'll be glad to relocate those posts if it gets out of hand.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 19, 2016 23:30:28 GMT -5
Sooooooo .... about the game. Awesome win, eh? Porcello's been awesome! Let's sweep 'em tomorrow, boys, and hopefully retake first place!
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 19, 2016 23:32:19 GMT -5
Well currently the four top relievers to start the year are injured. Still, not necessary to trade at this moment. Ziegler can close. Tazawa may be back Friday. Hembree, Barnes and Ross can be trusted. And Kelly's been lights out in his two PawSox outings. Ziegler, Barnes (78 xFIP-, 3.44 LI-adjusted WPA per 60 games since June 16), Tazawa, Ross, Kelly, Hembree, and Layne is actually a very good bullpen ... and would require optioning or trading / releasing Buchholz, to boot. They'll probably just have Taz take Koji's spot for the time being.
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Post by thursty on Jul 20, 2016 3:01:52 GMT -5
And so wroteth the mountebank
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 20, 2016 3:17:58 GMT -5
I do not know if we can blame Farrell for wanting to make sure we got a win today. But I do know... when a guy is being paid more than a million bucks a year, you have every right to expect that he will think not only about today, but also about tomorrow.
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Post by p23w on Jul 20, 2016 5:51:45 GMT -5
I do not know if we can blame Farrell for wanting to make sure we got a win today. But I do know... when a guy is being paid more than a million bucks a year, you have every right to expect that he will think not only about today, but also about tomorrow. Ooookay. So money paid is the yardstick. Well it's not my money, the team is 1/2 game out of first place in late July. The million bucks a game guy has underperformed. John Farrell is the scapegoat. I get it.
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Post by costpet on Jul 20, 2016 6:24:22 GMT -5
One thing is certain. Ever fan in Boston can manage the team better than whoever is managing the team at the moment.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 20, 2016 6:26:36 GMT -5
Yeah, you are probably right kinda of depressing about it. just have to hope Sandoval can hit high 280s to low 290s when he comes back next year and then maybe we can trade him. Are we talking weight or batting average?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 20, 2016 6:38:29 GMT -5
Hot take: Koji hasn't been that great a relief pitcher this year. He's been better lately, but, still, he's been pretty meh. So, using him in a 4-run game is completely defensible, and his loss is not the blow it feels at first.
Of course, the bullpen is down quite a few top guys right now (although Tazawa is coming back), so overall there's getting to be a problem. But it's not a crisis; they've still got a decent enough bullpen. I just hope they don't use Ziegler against three lefties in the ninth just because he's a "proven closer."
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 6:40:15 GMT -5
Look, I won't try to say that having top flight stuff at the end of the game isn't important. But it is a much bigger deal in the playoffs when the pressure is on to win the handful of games you need to move on. The Sox may just have the best starting staff in the AL at this point, and they're not devoid of resources in the pen. With that offense, they're perfectly capable of staying in the hunt. What they need to do is insure that they have healthy arms at the end of the season What gets me is that Farrell uses Layne after Koji in the same exact game situation. And it's not as if Layne vs. Posey and Crawford are great matchups. That is not a bad decision, except it amplifies the question of why Koji in that game. On a team that has a lot of bullpen injuries, you need to save the ones you've got at every opportunity. I'm surprised he wasn't warming Tazawa while he was on the DL.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 20, 2016 6:52:32 GMT -5
One thing is certain. Ever fan in Boston can manage the team better than whoever is managing the team at the moment. Such an inciteful, well thought out comment. Are you available? Resumes to 1 Yawkey Way.
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Post by nomar on Jul 20, 2016 7:11:01 GMT -5
So between Kyle Martin, Pat Light, and Noe Ramirez... More like Please Noe Ramirez. Really though, I don't think Ramirez has an above average major league pitch so he'd be a distant third for me here.
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