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7/19-7/20 Red Sox vs. Giants Series Thread
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Post by jmei on Jul 20, 2016 7:14:27 GMT -5
Hot take: Koji hasn't been that great a relief pitcher this year. He's been better lately, but, still, he's been pretty meh. So, using him in a 4-run game is completely defensible, and his loss is not the blow it feels at first. Of course, the bullpen is down quite a few top guys right now (although Tazawa is coming back), so overall there's getting to be a problem. But it's not a crisis; they've still got a decent enough bullpen. I just hope they don't use Ziegler against three lefties in the ninth just because he's a "proven closer." Eh, Uehara has the 7th best K-BB% and the 17th best SIERA in the majors among qualified relievers. He's given up a bunch of home runs, and that might not just be bad luck, but he's still one of the better relievers in the league and was the best healthy reliever on the team. I do agree that they can weather a short-term absence (and maybe even a rest-of-season absence), but I do think it is a blow.
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Post by nomar on Jul 20, 2016 7:20:59 GMT -5
Barnes has been incrementally been improving since May too. He's got a HR problem like Koji, but he's K'ing more, walking less, and his velocity is high 90s. He's going to end up a good reliever.
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Post by jchang on Jul 20, 2016 8:06:18 GMT -5
Koji mostly uses a fastball and splitter. I recall hearing sometime this season that batters were sitting on one of Koji's pitches with good results, so Koji responded by mixing in a different pitch (cutter?).
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 20, 2016 8:35:18 GMT -5
If anyone needs a good start tonight, it's Pomeranz. I can only imagine how intolerable this thread will be if Pomeranz shows any sign of struggling.
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Post by jchang on Jul 20, 2016 8:45:00 GMT -5
If anyone needs a good start tonight, it's Pomeranz. I can only imagine how intolerable this thread will be if Pomeranz shows any sign of struggling. "sign of struggling", heck, if there is any indication however slight, that Drew is less than "The One", there will be heavy recriminations edit hey Drew, no pressure!
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 20, 2016 8:54:39 GMT -5
Well currently the four top relievers to start the year are injured. Still, not necessary to trade at this moment. Ziegler can close. Tazawa may be back Friday. Hembree, Barnes and Ross can be trusted. And Kelly's been lights out in his two PawSox outings.Ziegler, Barnes (78 xFIP-, 3.44 LI-adjusted WPA per 60 games since June 16), Tazawa, Ross, Kelly, Hembree, and Layne is actually a very good bullpen ... and would require optioning or trading / releasing Buchholz, to boot. They'll probably just have Taz take Koji's spot for the time being. You know, if Joe Kelly turns out to be a force in the back of the rotation, the Lackey trade may have won us the AL East, or more.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 20, 2016 8:58:40 GMT -5
Hot take: Koji hasn't been that great a relief pitcher this year. He's been better lately, but, still, he's been pretty meh. So, using him in a 4-run game is completely defensible, and his loss is not the blow it feels at first. Of course, the bullpen is down quite a few top guys right now (although Tazawa is coming back), so overall there's getting to be a problem. But it's not a crisis; they've still got a decent enough bullpen. I just hope they don't use Ziegler against three lefties in the ninth just because he's a "proven closer." Eh, Uehara has the 7th best K-BB% and the 17th best SIERA in the majors among qualified relievers. He's given up a bunch of home runs, and that might not just be bad luck, but he's still one of the better relievers in the league and was the best healthy reliever on the team. I do agree that they can weather a short-term absence (and maybe even a rest-of-season absence), but I do think it is a blow. You can't argue with a hot take. Hot takes are, by their very hotness, unassailable. Your stale recitation of "facts" and "reality" can not withstand the pure fire of my hot take. Seriously, though, the "hot take" was deliberately beyond what I really think (hence the label). However, I do think there's a little extra angst about Koji than is really needed, except in the context of a bullpen that is thinned out. He's been a solid reliever, as you said, but you also can't just ignore his HRs. Except for the couple of years where he was among the best relievers ever, he's always had an issue with giving up HRs, but in the past, he gave up so few baserunners that it didn't really matter. Someone hits a solo home run, oh well. But he's giving up a more human - but still good - number of baserunners this year, so his actual RA is significantly higher than in the past. I still think he's a good reliever and actually a decent choice for closer, but I also think he's fine for 4-run 9th innings. And his injury is a significant-but-not-debilitating blow. Of course, maybe he's just got a strain and will be back relatively quickly.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 20, 2016 9:54:27 GMT -5
And Kelly's been lights out in his two PawSox outings.Ziegler, Barnes (78 xFIP-, 3.44 LI-adjusted WPA per 60 games since June 16), Tazawa, Ross, Kelly, Hembree, and Layne is actually a very good bullpen ... and would require optioning or trading / releasing Buchholz, to boot. They'll probably just have Taz take Koji's spot for the time being. You know, if Joe Kelly turns out to be a force in the back of the rotation, the Lackey trade may have won us the AL East, or more. That would be awful news to the Lackey trade antagonists.. Update: Kelly on the way. !
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 20, 2016 10:02:17 GMT -5
Great win. But geez, Farrell using the 40 year old back-up closer with a 4 run lead, and that point I made earlier about using then pen til it's running on rims and shredded tires? Looks like it's starting early. One of the tires may have just fallen off.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 20, 2016 10:38:08 GMT -5
You know, if Joe Kelly turns out to be a force in the back of the rotation, the Lackey trade may have won us the AL East, or more. That would be awful news to the Lackey trade antagonists.. Update: Kelly on the way. ! Kelly on the way? Wish, guess, rumor, report, link?
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 20, 2016 11:56:49 GMT -5
That would be awful news to the Lackey trade antagonists.. Update: Kelly on the way. ! Kelly on the way? Wish, guess, rumor, report, link? Nothing on Twitter. And whoever comes up goes down in two days when Tazawa comes off the DL, and then can't be recalled for another 10 days (till 8/1) unless there's another injury. That would preclude them from deciding that Kelly was a better option than Hembree, who is a mop-up guy at present (used once with a LI > 0.34 since June 23). Light, BTW, has pitched 3.2 IP since June 26, including 3 BB and 2 SO since he was sent down last. Noe Ramirez has 8 IP since June 28 with a 2.33 FIP (13 K, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 1 HR).
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 20, 2016 12:12:22 GMT -5
If Uehara needs to go on the DL today why wouldn't they activate Tazawa today? Why wait until Friday? He is eligible now.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 20, 2016 12:14:44 GMT -5
If Uehara needs to go on the DL today why wouldn't they activate Tazawa today? Why wait until Friday? He is eligible now. Why rush him back a couple days before they think he'll be full healthy and risk a setback when they can turn to a temporary replacement for a day? Having William Cuevas or Pat Light for one game isn't going to cost them, but losing Tazawa for another two weeks because they were impatient might.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 20, 2016 12:16:24 GMT -5
That would be awful news to the Lackey trade antagonists.. Update: Kelly on the way. ! Kelly on the way? Wish, guess, rumor, report, link? www.boston.redsox.mlb.com. Farrell quoted that Kelly will return to the Sox in the bullpen. Timetable to be worked out. Good news, as Joe has been outstanding in his rehab and conversion. If Uehara goes on the DL, a spot will open up in the 'pen.
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 20, 2016 12:25:43 GMT -5
If Uehara needs to go on the DL today why wouldn't they activate Tazawa today? Why wait until Friday? He is eligible now. Why rush him back a couple days before they think he'll be full healthy and risk a setback when they can turn to a temporary replacement for a day? Having William Cuevas or Pat Light for one game isn't going to cost them, but losing Tazawa for another two weeks because they were impatient might. It seems to me that if he is not fully healthy today he won,t be in 2 days either. If he is not ready today then call someone up and give Tazawa another 10+ days or until the trade deadline. Seems like they get caught up in a lot of these up and downs for a couple of days and then that person is unavailable for a recall. If Tazawa isn't ready bring back Kelly. I'm torn on if they should let Vazquez burn his last option or get him back on the Active roster before the 25th. I think it could be beneficial to him and the team if he has an option remaining next year. But I would like the team to hang onto Hannigan & Leon for this year, I even like them both for next year along with Vazquez & Swihart.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 12:27:47 GMT -5
Call me a skeptic on Kelly in the bullpen. It wasn't like his 99 mph fastball was unhittable as a starter and it's not like he was good in the first inning either.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 20, 2016 12:29:49 GMT -5
Why rush him back a couple days before they think he'll be full healthy and risk a setback when they can turn to a temporary replacement for a day? Having William Cuevas or Pat Light for one game isn't going to cost them, but losing Tazawa for another two weeks because they were impatient might. It seems to me that if he is not fully healthy today he won,t be in 2 days either. Seriously? The team doctors are like "he should be ready to go on Friday," and you take that to mean "if he's not ready for Wednesday that means he won't be on Friday, shut him down for July." Okay.
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 20, 2016 12:36:29 GMT -5
Seriously? The team doctors are like "he should be ready to go on Friday," and you take that to mean "if he's not ready for Wednesday that means he won't be on Friday, shut him down for July." Okay. Yup
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 20, 2016 12:42:38 GMT -5
Call me a skeptic on Kelly in the bullpen. It wasn't like his 99 mph fastball was unhittable as a starter and it's not like he was good in the first inning either. I agree. But I'm less bullish on Cuevas, Light, Ramirez, Jerez, Owens, Elias & Johnson
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Post by Guidas on Jul 20, 2016 12:54:03 GMT -5
It seems to me that if he is not fully healthy today he won,t be in 2 days either. Seriously? The team doctors are like "he should be ready to go on Friday," and you take that to mean "if he's not ready for Wednesday that means he won't be on Friday, shut him down for July." Okay. He also threw a 40+ pitch sim game yesterday. That would keep him out today anyway, and prob tomorrow.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 12:56:28 GMT -5
Seriously? The team doctors are like "he should be ready to go on Friday," and you take that to mean "if he's not ready for Wednesday that means he won't be on Friday, shut him down for July." Okay. He also threw a 40+ pitch sim game yesterday. That would keep him out today anyway, and prob tomorrow. Not if Farrell had his way.
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Post by costpet on Jul 20, 2016 12:58:54 GMT -5
One thing is certain. Ever fan in Boston can manage the team better than whoever is managing the team at the moment. Such an inciteful, well thought out comment. Are you available? Resumes to 1 Yawkey Way. The point is that there has never been a manager that the fans agreed with, going back to Mike Higgans and Eddie (the Fox) Kasko. It's funny how Tito looks so good in Cleveland now, but when he was here, he was a basket case. (more likely, burnt out)
I'm just tired of fans railing on the manager, when the fault is with the players. Most managers manage about the same, so it doesn't make a whole lot of difference who's running the team. (okay, Valentine is the exception). Even the great Dick Williams was run out of town.
Why anyone would want to manage Boston is beyond me. It's a thankless job and the fans question every move he makes, good or bad. If he wins it all, he's great. If not, throw the bum out. Next victim, please.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 20, 2016 13:23:54 GMT -5
“@brianmacp: The Red Sox have placed Koji Uehara (pectoral strain) on the DL. Noe Ramirez recalled.”
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 20, 2016 13:24:10 GMT -5
Koji to DL, Noe up.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 20, 2016 13:45:10 GMT -5
Noe will be a placeholder reliever until Tazawa is back on Friday.
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