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7/19-7/20 Red Sox vs. Giants Series Thread
jimoh
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Post by jimoh on Jul 20, 2016 14:07:33 GMT -5
It seems to me that if he is not fully healthy today he won,t be in 2 days either. Seriously? The team doctors are like "he should be ready to go on Friday," and you take that to mean "if he's not ready for Wednesday that means he won't be on Friday, shut him down for July." Okay. No doubt he was thinking of Zeno's Paradox of Achilles and the Hare, since to be ready he will have to get half better first, and then half better again, then half better again, and so on until the end of time.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 20, 2016 14:22:34 GMT -5
Yep. Pretty much the basis of Calculus. As time approaches infinity, Junichi Tazawa approaches healthy, without ever actually reaching that point.
I never got higher than a B- in Calculus though so you probably shouldn't trust me.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 20, 2016 14:26:20 GMT -5
I'm calling a 7 inning no-hitter for Drew. Foxy Farrell yanks him because of pitch count. Board goes apoplectic.
A Civil War breaks out on Sox prospects between Neo and Drew supporters. Much blood will be shed.
Getcha popcorn ready.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 20, 2016 14:45:51 GMT -5
Hope Drew pitches well tonight. Even if he gets hit, I like the move. Feel better for the team's chances going forward.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 20, 2016 14:55:13 GMT -5
I'm calling a 7 inning no-hitter for Drew. Foxy Farrell yanks him because of pitch count. Board goes apoplectic. A Civil War breaks out on Sox prospects between Neo and Drew supporters. Much blood will be shed. Getcha popcorn ready. I'm putting a reverse restraining order on myself and it's making me stay at least three bookmarks away from this site from an hour before game time to 24 hours after the last pitch. Ever wonder what the world would be like if the inmates ran the asylum? That will be this site, regardless of outocme, during tonights game. Have fun.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 15:24:01 GMT -5
Such an inciteful, well thought out comment. Are you available? Resumes to 1 Yawkey Way. The point is that there has never been a manager that the fans agreed with, going back to Mike Higgans and Eddie (the Fox) Kasko. It's funny how Tito looks so good in Cleveland now, but when he was here, he was a basket case. (more likely, burnt out)
I'm just tired of fans railing on the manager, when the fault is with the players. Most managers manage about the same, so it doesn't make a whole lot of difference who's running the team. (okay, Valentine is the exception). Even the great Dick Williams was run out of town.
Why anyone would want to manage Boston is beyond me. It's a thankless job and the fans question every move he makes, good or bad. If he wins it all, he's great. If not, throw the bum out. Next victim, please.
C'mon. Farrell blatantly misuses the bullpen and that's a fact. The workload that he somehow cannot avoid handing out makes them less effective at best and hurt at worst. The majority of the criticism comes when he's using one of the top overused pitchers in a 4 run game for two nights in a row only to use the worst pitcher in the bullpen in a tie game because they supposedly can't win that game. Tazawa even came out and said exactly what everyone else says. It's also a fact that Kimbrel cannot pitch well 3 days in a row or more than one inning at a time. He has never ever done it well. But yet, Farrell doesn't believe that until he sees it for himself several times. Why the hell is he above that criticism? Boohoo, he can go wipe his tears with million dollar bills.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 20, 2016 15:33:58 GMT -5
How can Uehara be overworked when he only pitched 2.1 innings in the last 10 days?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 15:50:17 GMT -5
How can Uehara be overworked when he only pitched 2.1 innings in the last 10 days? I guess Tazawa isn't overworked then either since the only criteria for being overworked is how much they've pitched in the last 10 days when it includes the All-Star break. This is a never ending ordeal with the John Farrell-run Red Sox. He cannot stop himself from overusing his best relief pitchers even when they break down every year because of overuse.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 20, 2016 16:07:50 GMT -5
Seriously? The team doctors are like "he should be ready to go on Friday," and you take that to mean "if he's not ready for Wednesday that means he won't be on Friday, shut him down for July." Okay. No doubt he was thinking of Zeno's Paradox of Achilles and the Hare, since to be ready he will have to get half better first, and then half better again, then half better again, and so on until the end of time. No problem. If it takes him a day to get half better, and the rate at which he heals stays the same, he's back in two days. Zeno never talked to Archimedes.
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 20, 2016 16:20:32 GMT -5
No doubt he was thinking of Zeno's Paradox of Achilles and the Hare, since to be ready he will have to get half better first, and then half better again, then half better again, and so on until the end of time. No problem. If it takes him a day to get half better, and the rate at which he heals stays the same, he's back in two days. Zeno never talked to Archimedes. While we are on the subject, it is a damn shame that Arquimedes Caminero does not throw a screwball.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 20, 2016 16:27:56 GMT -5
How can Uehara be overworked when he only pitched 2.1 innings in the last 10 days? I guess Tazawa isn't overworked then either since the only criteria for being overworked is how much they've pitched in the last 10 days when it includes the All-Star break. This is a never ending ordeal with the John Farrell-run Red Sox. He cannot stop himself from overusing his best relief pitchers even when they break down every year because of overuse. OK, if you take out the five day all star break, that leaves 2.1 IP in five days. Is that too much? A guy can get rusty after not having played for a number of days. Let's face it, Koji is starting to break down like most 40 yr old athletes do (Papi excepted).
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 20, 2016 16:34:08 GMT -5
OK, if you take out the five day all star break, that leaves 2.1 IP in five days. Is that too much? A guy can get rusty after not having played for a number of days. Of course that's not too much, people just like blaming Farrell for anything including but not exclusive to his pitchers limited durability. 4 run lead is a no win situation with Uehara as a closer because of his warm up ritual, and what if Farrell doesn't use and Matt Barnes or something get bombed and the Red Sox lose the game? You'd have people pointing out how little Uehara is being used in the past days and what an idiot Farrell is for not using him there.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 16:36:03 GMT -5
I guess Tazawa isn't overworked then either since the only criteria for being overworked is how much they've pitched in the last 10 days when it includes the All-Star break. This is a never ending ordeal with the John Farrell-run Red Sox. He cannot stop himself from overusing his best relief pitchers even when they break down every year because of overuse. OK, if you take out the five day all star break, that leaves 2.1 IP in five days. Is that too much? A guy can get rusty after not having played for a number of days. Let's face it, Koji is starting to break down like most 40 yr old athletes do (Papi excepted). Yeah, I'm not in favor of him pitching multiple days in a row if it can be avoided. Most pitchers on the team are capable of getting a save with a 3 run lead. 2.1 innings would have been 3 if he didn't get hurt, so yeah, 3 innings in 5 days is too much.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 16:39:11 GMT -5
OK, if you take out the five day all star break, that leaves 2.1 IP in five days. Is that too much? A guy can get rusty after not having played for a number of days. Of course that's not too much, people just like blaming Farrell for anything including but not exclusive to his pitchers limited durability. 4 run lead is a no win situation with Uehara as a closer because of his warm up ritual, and what if Farrell doesn't use and Matt Barnes or something get bombed and the Red Sox lose the game? You'd have people pointing out how little Uehara is being used in the past days and what an idiot Farrell is for not using him there. Ross is arguably better than Uehara this year and he has 6 appearances in July.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 20, 2016 17:10:07 GMT -5
Alright! Tonight's the night of great overreactions and "I told you so's".
Seriously, though, I'll go on the record as a DDo basher that I hope Pomeranz throws 7 cool scoreless innings. Regardless of what I think of DDO, Drew is our exciting new toy and I'm pumped for tonight's game.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 20, 2016 17:16:01 GMT -5
The good news is John Farrell literally can't over work Uehara when he is on the DL (at least until he finds a way around that).
The bad news is there is still 2 months left in the season for Farrell to ruin the pen.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 20, 2016 17:26:27 GMT -5
OK, if you take out the five day all star break, that leaves 2.1 IP in five days. Is that too much? A guy can get rusty after not having played for a number of days. Let's face it, Koji is starting to break down like most 40 yr old athletes do (Papi excepted). Yeah, I'm not in favor of him pitching multiple days in a row if it can be avoided. Most pitchers on the team are capable of getting a save with a 3 run lead. 2.1 innings would have been 3 if he didn't get hurt, so yeah, 3 innings in 5 days is too much.Do you have any idea how many relievers do this all the time? For that matter, do you have any idea how many pitches starters throw on their days off? Sometimes stuff happens. If you look for any little thing to blame it on, I'm sure you'll find something almost all of the time. That doesn't mean it's what caused it in the first place.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 17:49:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not in favor of him pitching multiple days in a row if it can be avoided. Most pitchers on the team are capable of getting a save with a 3 run lead. 2.1 innings would have been 3 if he didn't get hurt, so yeah, 3 innings in 5 days is too much.Do you have any idea how many relievers do this all the time? For that matter, do you have any idea how many pitches starters throw on their days off? Sometimes stuff happens. If you look for any little thing to blame it on, I'm sure you'll find something almost all of the time. That doesn't mean it's what caused it in the first place. There are about 200 days in a baseball season. If Koji pitched 3 innings every 5 days, that would be 120 innings, at least twice as much as he should pitch. Yeah they do it on occasion, but the answer was based on whether he should be pitching that much on average or in general, especially when he doesn't have to, like when there are 3 or 4 run leads.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 20, 2016 18:01:11 GMT -5
The point is that there has never been a manager that the fans agreed with, going back to Mike Higgans and Eddie (the Fox) Kasko. It's funny how Tito looks so good in Cleveland now, but when he was here, he was a basket case. (more likely, burnt out)
I'm just tired of fans railing on the manager, when the fault is with the players. Most managers manage about the same, so it doesn't make a whole lot of difference who's running the team. (okay, Valentine is the exception). Even the great Dick Williams was run out of town.
Why anyone would want to manage Boston is beyond me. It's a thankless job and the fans question every move he makes, good or bad. If he wins it all, he's great. If not, throw the bum out. Next victim, please.
C'mon. Farrell blatantly misuses the bullpen and that's a fact. The workload that he somehow cannot avoid handing out makes them less effective at best and hurt at worst. The majority of the criticism comes when he's using one of the top overused pitchers in a 4 run game for two nights in a row only to use the worst pitcher in the bullpen in a tie game because they supposedly can't win that game. Tazawa even came out and said exactly what everyone else says. It's also a fact that Kimbrel cannot pitch well 3 days in a row or more than one inning at a time. He has never ever done it well. But yet, Farrell doesn't believe that until he sees it for himself several times. Why the hell is he above that criticism? Boohoo, he can go wipe his tears with million dollar bills. Amen Bullpen management the #1 reason Big John will not be retained. Print it! Has anyone seen AHill ?
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wcp3
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 20, 2016 18:14:07 GMT -5
Leadoff walk - great start!
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Post by trotfan on Jul 20, 2016 18:18:42 GMT -5
Nasty curve
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Post by trotfan on Jul 20, 2016 18:20:44 GMT -5
Nice start by Hanley and Drew
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2016 18:22:08 GMT -5
I imagine the adrenaline was higher than normal for that inning. Hopefully he settles down now.
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ianrs
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Post by ianrs on Jul 20, 2016 18:25:23 GMT -5
How dare Drew Pomeranz allow a baserunner in a Red Sox uniform?! Preposterous!
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wcp3
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 20, 2016 18:26:39 GMT -5
It would be nice if Xander started having good ABs again.
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