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Post by tjb21 on Jul 21, 2016 14:14:45 GMT -5
I live in an area surrounded by Cubs fans.
Forever passing on them winning a WS. Would be like Notre Dame winning something in football. Gross.
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Post by Coreno on Jul 21, 2016 14:21:21 GMT -5
Not sure I get all the Maddon hate. Or for the Cubs in general. I think they're an exciting young team and I don't find myself harboring any bad feelings toward any of those guys. As for the Dodgers, I like some of those guys but I've never really been impressed by the way that organization is run. Might just be a Boston Vs. LA feeling, because I tend to feel the same way, even stronger, about the Angels most of the time. However, I'm not sure I understand the remark about A-Gon a few posts up. Was that supposed to be a detractor from rooting for the Dodgers? Despite how his career in Boston ended, I've always been a huge fan of him. I remember finding out about that trade and as big of a bailout as it was, losing him was a tough pill to swallow.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 21, 2016 14:28:37 GMT -5
Not sure I get all the Maddon hate. Or for the Cubs in general. I think they're an exciting young team and I don't find myself harboring any bad feelings toward any of those guys. I feel the same way. Despite the mistakes Theo made at the end of his time in Boston, he was the best GM this team has had in my lifetime and forever changed the culture of the team. I will say, though, that here in the Chicago area, Theo is worshiped and Maddon can do no wrong and it does get annoying sometimes.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2016 14:28:45 GMT -5
This is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. “@chriscarlinsny: Rob Manfred just told us he would consider limiting the number of pitching changes in the game. Thinks it hurts pace of game.” How the hell would that work? So you're on your last pitcher and he has to resort to throwing batting practice speed because he's too tired to get anyone else out?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 21, 2016 14:34:14 GMT -5
Lester took the money and ran so I really see no reason to root for him anymore than Papelbon. At least Papelbon was honest about why he left. There is also Dave Roberts managing the Dodgers, although they still have Gonzalez. I'd root for pretty much anyone in the NL over the Cubs. I see no reason to dislike Lester or Papelbon in the sense of "taking the money and running". In the case of Papelbon it seemed to me that the marriage between him and the Red Sox was over whether he wanted to come back or not, so yes he took money in Philly and left. In Lester's case, I would imagine the 4 year 70 million or whatever offer he originally received from the Red Sox was an absolute slap in the face. Then on top of that they traded him, what loyalty does he owe the Red Sox after all of that? What do you expect these guys to do, take less money to stay in Boston? Why any fan dislikes a player because they "took money and ran is beyond me". Would you stay at an employer who was only offering 50K a year due to loyalty when another company was offering you 70K? These players have lives and families to look after, and they can only play baseball for so long. Now if we are talking disliking Papelbon for his ridiculous antics, that is a whole different story.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 21, 2016 14:36:58 GMT -5
This is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. “@chriscarlinsny: Rob Manfred just told us he would consider limiting the number of pitching changes in the game. Thinks it hurts pace of game.” How the hell would that work? So you're on your last pitcher and he has to resort to throwing batting practice speed because he's too tired to get anyone else out? I brought those comments up in the Non-Sox thread and think that it is an absolutely ridiculous idea. Think of the game last night, in this theoretical rule change what would the Sox and Giants do with their starters who were getting shelled? Would they be expected to leave them in the game in order to preserve a pitching change later in the game? I am really starting to dislike Manfred.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 21, 2016 14:39:59 GMT -5
Watching Tony LaRussa switch relievers five times in an inning was awful, excrutiating baseball. You could argue that any cure is worse than the disease, but I try not to be a slave to tradition for tradition's sake. A rule saying that, for example, a pitcher needed to face at least two batters when entering a game might not be the worst thing in the world.
I usually see time of the game listed as a problem with the pace of play, but I'm not sure that's what we should be looking at. An 11-7 game that takes three hours isn't so bad. The extra 30-60 seconds between innings is fine and they gotta pay the bills. But something like a 3-1 game where the top of the seventh takes 30 minutes even though no runs are scored because there are three pitching changes? That's miserable to sit through. And yeah, my example is anecdotal, but it's the basis of what they should be looking at. And again, I'm not advocating anything. Just trying to be open-minded.
I do agree that limiting the number of pitchers in a game as a whole is useless and self-defeating.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 21, 2016 14:42:50 GMT -5
If somebody doesn't like baseball because the games last 3 hours why would they like it much more if it lasted 10 minutes less? Those people are more than likely not going to be fans of the game no matter what rule changes you make.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 21, 2016 14:49:00 GMT -5
If somebody doesn't like baseball because the games last 3 hours why would they like it much more if it lasted 10 minutes less? Those people are more than likely not going to be fans of the game no matter what rule changes you make. Just the same as how you and I wouldn't stop watching every game if they tweaked relief pitcher rules. I agree with you that trying to get new fans is the wrong reason to make rule changes in the game. But that doesn't mean that the game necessarily can't be improved. It would be very, very difficult to get a move like that through the players union anyway. LOOGYs pay dues too.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 21, 2016 14:54:43 GMT -5
Yeah, obviously Manfred is not going to limit the number of relievers per inning with no conditions. There's going to be some kind of exception built-in, like if your relief pitcher threw 25 pitches you're allowed to bring in the extra reliever, or something of the kind. I'm only thinking out loud here.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 21, 2016 14:58:21 GMT -5
Even with conditions I personally would be against it. I can see how the average person might dislike there being multiple pitching changes during an inning but to me that is part of the charm of the game, the match-ups. Maybe I am in the minority but I don't mind a lefty reliever coming in to face the big left handed bat late in the game.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 21, 2016 15:35:08 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 21, 2016 15:47:46 GMT -5
MLB comp for Benny: Steph Curry.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 21, 2016 15:50:08 GMT -5
“@alexspeier: Farrell on Buchholz’ role: ‘I don’t want to say purgatory, but it’s a difficult spot.’ Would have used Buchholz as long man if trailing.”
"purgatory"
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Post by notguilty on Jul 21, 2016 15:50:29 GMT -5
That is pretty funny. "Small with a baby face"; that's got to be fire-able offense if a scout sent in a report like that (not saying this one did, but it is a great window into his psyche..).
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Post by jmei on Jul 21, 2016 15:51:52 GMT -5
The fact that there are still scouts who think having a "baby face" is something worth noting is illustrative of why nerds have won the war.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 21, 2016 16:19:39 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier Ortiz just lined a batting practice homer that stuck in the middle of the foul pole.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 21, 2016 16:33:50 GMT -5
Lester took the money and ran so I really see no reason to root for him anymore than Papelbon. At least Papelbon was honest about why he left. There is also Dave Roberts managing the Dodgers, although they still have Gonzalez. I'd root for pretty much anyone in the NL over the Cubs. I see no reason to dislike Lester or Papelbon in the sense of "taking the money and running". In the case of Papelbon it seemed to me that the marriage between him and the Red Sox was over whether he wanted to come back or not, so yes he took money in Philly and left. In Lester's case, I would imagine the 4 year 70 million or whatever offer he originally received from the Red Sox was an absolute slap in the face. Then on top of that they traded him, what loyalty does he owe the Red Sox after all of that? What do you expect these guys to do, take less money to stay in Boston? Why any fan dislikes a player because they "took money and ran is beyond me". Would you stay at an employer who was only offering 50K a year due to loyalty when another company was offering you 70K? These players have lives and families to look after, and they can only play baseball for so long. Now if we are talking disliking Papelbon for his ridiculous antics, that is a whole different story. Lester didn't even try to negotiate with the team and his camp leaked that. He wanted to get paid and he did - which is why he took the slightly higher guaranteed contract from Chicago over the Giants very competitive offer. He wanted to get paid every dollar possible which is fine but also didn't want to come off as a mercenary so thats why there was that PR fight. Honestly Papelbon's approach was the more respectable one in my opinion but it sounds like Lester had some people fooled.
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Post by trotfan on Jul 21, 2016 16:39:48 GMT -5
I feel dumber now and that's certainly saying something
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Post by radiohix on Jul 21, 2016 16:42:23 GMT -5
Yep. Papi's a bad man!
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Post by trotfan on Jul 21, 2016 16:45:00 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier Ortiz just lined a batting practice homer that stuck in the middle of the foul pole. Ortiz is the closest thing to the Babe we may ever see he's utter magic with that bat ...no Ortiz never pitched like Babe but my God he's as special .
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 21, 2016 16:47:04 GMT -5
This is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. “@chriscarlinsny: Rob Manfred just told us he would consider limiting the number of pitching changes in the game. Thinks it hurts pace of game.” How the hell would that work? So you're on your last pitcher and he has to resort to throwing batting practice speed because he's too tired to get anyone else out? One change that has been brought up before is just getting rid of one out guys. Making a rule that when a reliever comes into the game he can only leave it if he finishes the inning or puts a man on base would slightly reduce the number of relievers a team uses (especially in September) without altering the way the game is played.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 21, 2016 16:56:27 GMT -5
Given who manages the Cubs it should be easy to find someone to root for - their opponents. No need for that, Maddon is absolutely never winning a World Series. You can book it. Maddox's hipster vibe and the fact he carries an attitude like he is always the smartest guy in the room is incredibly annoying. I also lost respect for him with all the BS he pulled when he managed the Rays and the various beanball wars with the Red Sox, including attempting to hit Daubach multiple times in one game, hitting Crisp after he stole a base the prior game and hitting so many Red Sox players one game that Nixon "lost control of his bat" which went out by the pitcher. I hope the Cubs win the WS some day as long as Maddon is out of the picture.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 21, 2016 16:57:17 GMT -5
Holt batting 9th is an improvement. -breaks up the lefties. -rather Holt in front of the heart of the order. Better hitter and runner than Hanigan.
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Post by bsout2 on Jul 21, 2016 17:30:48 GMT -5
Not sure I get all the Maddon hate. Or for the Cubs in general. I think they're an exciting young team and I don't find myself harboring any bad feelings toward any of those guys. I feel the same way. Despite the mistakes Theo made at the end of his time in Boston, he was the best GM this team has had in my lifetime and forever changed the culture of the team. I will say, though, that here in the Chicago area, Theo is worshiped and Maddon can do no wrong and it does get annoying sometimes. I live in the Chicago suburbs, Cub fans are unbearable. My life would be ruined if the Cubs won the World Series. Last year with them in the NLCS was hard enough.
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