|
Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 26, 2016 20:26:09 GMT -5
Is JBJ the 2nd best hitter on this team? Worse arguments have been made.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:26:47 GMT -5
Leon did good getting to 3rd. And now here comes Mookie to give us the lead.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:27:14 GMT -5
Is JBJ the 2nd best hitter on this team? Worse arguments have been made. His OPS says yes.
|
|
|
Post by bigpupp on Jul 26, 2016 20:27:57 GMT -5
By all means please link me the numbers that show all the amazing managers that don't let any of their pitchers throw to the top of the order 3 times. I'll sit tight. It doesn't happen now, but it's moving closer and closer. As a % of total innings pitched, relievers innings % is higher than ever and it goes up each year. How heavy are the goalposts you're moving? Your posts have directly stated that Farrell is a bad manager because he let's his pitchers face people more than 2 times. No manager does that because its a stupid idea.
|
|
|
Post by malynn19 on Jul 26, 2016 20:28:05 GMT -5
3rd time through the lineup. Literally happens every night. A pitcher should not be exposed to a lineup more than twice. Numbers back this up. Bad managing begets bad results. LMAO! Every team goes through this, you make no sense. So pitchers should only face 18 batters then get replaced. You must be new to Baseball, this new generation is just so brittle.
|
|
|
Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 20:30:19 GMT -5
By all means please link me the numbers that show all the amazing managers that don't let any of their pitchers throw to the top of the order 3 times. I'll sit tight. So this line: 4 1/3 inn 4H 1R 1ER 1BB 5K elicits a call to the bullpen (every time!)because this pitcher has faced his batter limit?
What fresh nonsense is this you preach -- Nolan Ryan says he "hasn't even broken a sweat" at 4 1/3.
You're arguing against decades of evidence which you even nod at in your post. Pitchers used to be expected to throw 8-9 innings. Then it went down to 7 innings. Now it's down to 6 innings or something like that. And you will all be shocked when that number drops down to 4-5 innings? OK, certainly just seems to be the continuation of a trend to me. I'm sure 50 years ago, the state of modern starter usage would be inconceivable to most baseball fans.
|
|
|
Post by telluricrook on Jul 26, 2016 20:31:46 GMT -5
DP
|
|
|
Post by thursty on Jul 26, 2016 20:31:50 GMT -5
I don't recall A. Wilson throwing 95 when he was a Red Sox.
I fear a GIDP
|
|
|
Post by bigpupp on Jul 26, 2016 20:32:55 GMT -5
Pretty soon starting pitchers won't be able to start the game. Ya know, if this trend continues.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:33:29 GMT -5
So this line: 4 1/3 inn 4H 1R 1ER 1BB 5K elicits a call to the bullpen (every time!)because this pitcher has faced his batter limit?
What fresh nonsense is this you preach -- Nolan Ryan says he "hasn't even broken a sweat" at 4 1/3.
You're arguing against decades of evidence which you even nod at in your post. Pitchers used to be expected to throw 8-9 innings. Then it went down to 7 innings. Now it's down to 6 innings or something like that. And you will all be shocked when that number drops down to 4-5 innings? OK, certainly just seems to be the continuation of a trend to me. I'm sure 50 years ago, the state of modern starter usage would be inconceivable to most baseball fans. Starters cannot possibly throw less innings with 25 man rosters than they do now. I love how you ignore this every time.
|
|
|
Post by manfred on Jul 26, 2016 20:34:47 GMT -5
Because Wright has been the best pitcher in the staff all year, his pitch count was low and the bullpen flat out isn't good right now. Whatever man. That's fine. There are good managers in baseball who have a feel and take him out because they understand there are more important things in baseball than getting the pitcher the all-important "Win." Sorry, but a manager has to be aggressive. These wins and losses matter. Knuckleballers fall apart without a moment's notice. Farrell has to be aggressive there. Especially after an inning when the Red Sox take the lead. The last Sox starter to finsh the 7th inning was Wright last Thursday. The pen is likely tired. It seems like good managing to take a risk, hope the knuckleballer can eat innings. I suspect they are desperate to have a starter go deep in a game, especially with the stretch they are facing. Part of managing is big picture.
|
|
|
Post by bosox81 on Jul 26, 2016 20:35:57 GMT -5
A clutch hit with the bases loaded late in the game? Oh how we missed ya!
|
|
|
Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 26, 2016 20:36:33 GMT -5
Hit it in the air, Xandah
|
|
|
Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 20:36:47 GMT -5
You're arguing against decades of evidence which you even nod at in your post. Pitchers used to be expected to throw 8-9 innings. Then it went down to 7 innings. Now it's down to 6 innings or something like that. And you will all be shocked when that number drops down to 4-5 innings? OK, certainly just seems to be the continuation of a trend to me. I'm sure 50 years ago, the state of modern starter usage would be inconceivable to most baseball fans. Starters cannot possibly throw less innings with 25 man rosters than they do now. I love how you ignore this every time. Ignore what? You're not citing anything. You just keep saying, "that can't possibly happen." That's not a fact.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:37:36 GMT -5
If bullpens had to pitch 4 innings every game, you'd need 648 innings pitched by the bullpen, which would be an average of 81 innings per relief pitcher if you carried 8 all season. Yeah that's possible.
|
|
|
Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 26, 2016 20:37:46 GMT -5
So this line: 4 1/3 inn 4H 1R 1ER 1BB 5K elicits a call to the bullpen (every time!)because this pitcher has faced his batter limit?
What fresh nonsense is this you preach -- Nolan Ryan says he "hasn't even broken a sweat" at 4 1/3.
You're arguing against decades of evidence which you even nod at in your post. Pitchers used to be expected to throw 8-9 innings. Then it went down to 7 innings. Now it's down to 6 innings or something like that. And you will all be shocked when that number drops down to 4-5 innings? OK, certainly just seems to be the continuation of a trend to me. I'm sure 50 years ago, the state of modern starter usage would be inconceivable to most baseball fans. I wasn't arguing, particularly. I did ask a question you failed to answer. And it seems to me you're arguing that our manager should abide by a pitcher usage rate that may, or may not, occur in the future.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:39:05 GMT -5
Starters cannot possibly throw less innings with 25 man rosters than they do now. I love how you ignore this every time. Ignore what? You're not citing anything. You just keep saying, "that can't possibly happen." That's not a fact. Ignore the fact that our bullpen is completely destroyed if they had to pitch more than 4 innings every single game, which is what you say that Farrell is stupid to not force them to do. He already uses them way too much.
|
|
|
Post by bosox81 on Jul 26, 2016 20:40:25 GMT -5
You know, there's a game going on. Sox just tied it and may take the lead.
|
|
|
Post by bigpupp on Jul 26, 2016 20:41:08 GMT -5
You're arguing against decades of evidence which you even nod at in your post. Pitchers used to be expected to throw 8-9 innings. Then it went down to 7 innings. Now it's down to 6 innings or something like that. And you will all be shocked when that number drops down to 4-5 innings? OK, certainly just seems to be the continuation of a trend to me. I'm sure 50 years ago, the state of modern starter usage would be inconceivable to most baseball fans. I wasn't arguing, particularly. I did ask a question you failed to answer. And it seems to me you're arguing that our manager should abide by a pitcher usage rate that may, or may not, occur in the future. While arguing that the mythical "good managers" already do it.
|
|
|
Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 20:42:05 GMT -5
Ignore what? You're not citing anything. You just keep saying, "that can't possibly happen." That's not a fact. Ignore the fact that our bullpen is completely destroyed if they had to pitch more than 4 innings every single game, which is what you say that Farrell is stupid to not force them to do. I wonder which way this graph will go in the future.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:43:11 GMT -5
Ignore the fact that our bullpen is completely destroyed if they had to pitch more than 4 innings every single game, which is what you say that Farrell is stupid to not force them to do. I wonder which way this graph will go in the future. It cannot go down any further with 25 man rosters, without a complete roster of 3 inning pitchers.
|
|
|
Post by templeusox on Jul 26, 2016 20:44:02 GMT -5
I wonder which way this graph will go in the future. It cannot go down any further with 25 man rosters, without a complete roster of 3 inning pitchers. OK.
|
|
|
Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 26, 2016 20:44:52 GMT -5
I guess we'll be seeing a lot more position players pitching in templeusox's version of the future
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2016 20:45:16 GMT -5
It cannot go down any further with 25 man rosters, without a complete roster of 3 inning pitchers. OK. Do the math and explain how many pitchers should get x many innings based on x # of appearances per week. You're so wrong. Try to figure it out if you care how wrong you are.
|
|
|
Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 26, 2016 20:46:56 GMT -5
What's wrong with Papi? Maybe he should retire.
|
|