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Post by pokeefe363 on Aug 1, 2016 14:59:30 GMT -5
For Brinson and Luis Ortiz. Weak return in my opinion. They must really like Brinson... Feel like Lucroy was one difference maker who's been really underrated lately.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 1, 2016 15:01:34 GMT -5
I tend to think Reddick's value is more towards what Fangraphs has him at, think his defense has regressed a lot. And the Mets gave up very very little for Jay Bruce. Not saying he's better than Reddick, he's obviously not but what does that have to do with this? It's not at all obvious that the Dodgers package is worse (in total) than Espinoza. Montas and Holmes (especially) are legit prospects and Cotton's not bad either. Aside from that, the Sox get Pomeranz for two additional years than they would have for Hill. This is all about Hill's value and how little they got for him, not about what the A's and Padres got in total. Hence I'm showing you Reddick's value and why I think he was worth just about if not Holmes himself. So A's wanted Espinoza from us, but waited he got injured no surprise there and they ended up getting Montas and Cotton. I don't think it matters too much would you really have preferred so significantly to give up say Kopech and Brian Johnson for Hill versus Espinoza for Pomeranz?
I've never tried to argue Hill should or would have demanded Espinoza I don't think that was ever realistic, Pomeranz is a more valuable player.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 1, 2016 15:02:33 GMT -5
For Brinson and Luis Ortiz. Weak return in my opinion. They must really like Brinson... Feel like Lucroy was one difference maker who's been really underrated lately. Jeffress also going to Rangers...need to see the full trade
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 1, 2016 15:03:02 GMT -5
For Brinson and Luis Ortiz. Weak return in my opinion. They must really like Brinson... Feel like Lucroy was one difference maker who's been really underrated lately. I prefer Brinson to Gallo. That's a fantastic return.
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Post by telluricrook on Aug 1, 2016 15:03:23 GMT -5
Giants get Matt Moore? How? They have nobody.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2016 15:03:33 GMT -5
Why not? They'll have the money. Most of the big contracts will be off the books and they'll be able to surround the expensive mid 20s free agents with a young inexpensive up and coming core. Because they're not the only team in baseball with money and they're not going to spend over a billion dollars on three players in one off-season. The days of the Big Bad Yankee Boogeymen have been over for awhile. Yes they have resources but they're not going to build some fantasy superteam. Um, yes they are. Even Cashman says his goal is to build a super uberteam. And in case you haven't paid attention the Yankees have splurge offseasons. They had one in the winter of 08-09, the winter of 13-14, and are gearing up for the 2018 offseason. I'm very well aware that the Yankees don't have all the money in baseball. But they have very little on their payroll and a ton of room, and a ton of candidates to choose from. It's not about the Big Big Yankee Boogeymen. It's about Cashman with a plan and money to spend. The Yankees have already implemented the first part of their plan. Follow the dots.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2016 15:04:52 GMT -5
For Brinson and Luis Ortiz. Weak return in my opinion. They must really like Brinson... Feel like Lucroy was one difference maker who's been really underrated lately. Per Keith Law that's 2 top 50 prospects, one rated 21 and one rated 46, sounds like a great return to me.
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Post by taftreign on Aug 1, 2016 15:07:33 GMT -5
@jonheyman
nova traded to pirates
Add: For a player to be named.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 1, 2016 15:07:49 GMT -5
Per mlbtraderumors/the Twitterverse, Ivan Nova (PIT), Matt Moore(SFG), and Steve Pearce (BAL) all moved. Returns unknown.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 1, 2016 15:08:34 GMT -5
I'm very well aware that the Yankees don't have all the money in baseball. Hard to tell that from your posts.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 1, 2016 15:08:34 GMT -5
alright, time to call up Benny
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Post by nomar on Aug 1, 2016 15:08:40 GMT -5
Wow the Rays traded Pearce to Baltimore. That sucks.
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Post by taftreign on Aug 1, 2016 15:09:35 GMT -5
Boston College 2015 draftee an MA native Chris Shaw is believed to be part of the Matt Moore deal per Joel Sherman.
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Post by telluricrook on Aug 1, 2016 15:10:20 GMT -5
Too bad we only have two series left against the Yankees.
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Post by notguilty on Aug 1, 2016 15:11:00 GMT -5
This just reminds me how awful the Lackey deal was literally getting negative value for a good SP. It was a gamble that didn't work. In fact, a gamble that failed spectacularly - as often happens with gambles. The irony is, the main impetus behind that move was the same that is driving the DD moves that are now much celebrated in these parts. The notion that in Boston, you don't do rebuild. It's GFIN or bust. So it's a tad ironic to bemoan the Lackey trade while lauding DD for being "decisive" in clearing out the farm system for MLB talent - the base thinking is the same. Now the execution..ugh..in the Lackey case, we'll just have to see for the DD moves.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2016 15:11:29 GMT -5
It's not at all obvious that the Dodgers package is worse (in total) than Espinoza. Montas and Holmes (especially) are legit prospects and Cotton's not bad either. Aside from that, the Sox get Pomeranz for two additional years than they would have for Hill. This is all about Hill's value and how little they got for him, not about what the A's and Padres got in total. Hence I'm showing you Reddick's value and why I think he was worth just about if not Holmes himself. So A's wanted Espinoza from us, but waited he got injured no surprise there and they ended up getting Montas and Cotton. I don't think it matters too much would you really have preferred so significantly to give up say Kopech and Brian Johnson for Hill versus Espinoza for Pomeranz?
I've never tried to argue Hill should or would have demanded Espinoza I don't think that was ever realistic, Pomeranz is a more valuable player.
While Cotton might be equal to Johnson, Montas is in no way equal to Kopech, a top 50 prospect. It would have been more like Light and Johnson. I prefer Pomeranz over Hill, the point is that Hill went for peanuts compared to what they wanted. I would bet DD would have traded more for Hill than that before he made Pomeranz trade. A's waited too long and really messed that up.
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Post by pokeefe363 on Aug 1, 2016 15:12:30 GMT -5
Weak return in my opinion. They must really like Brinson... Feel like Lucroy was one difference maker who's been really underrated lately. I prefer Brinson to Gallo. That's a fantastic return. Gallo doesn't have a hit tool, so it's not hard to like Brinson more than Gallo. Brinson has struggled in AA this year though. Essentially the Rangers gave up less than the Yankees got for Miller.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 1, 2016 15:14:33 GMT -5
I don't think it matters too much would you really have preferred so significantly to give up say Kopech and Brian Johnson for Hill versus Espinoza for Pomeranz?
I've never tried to argue Hill should or would have demanded Espinoza I don't think that was ever realistic, Pomeranz is a more valuable player.
While Cotton might be equal to Johnson, Montas is in no way equal to Kopech, a top 50 prospect. It would have been more like Light and Johnson. I prefer Pomeranz over Hill, the point is that Hill went for peanuts compared to what they wanted. I would bet DD would have traded more for Hill than that before he made Pomeranz trade. A's waited too long and really messed that up.
Kopech over Montas is not nearly as obvious as you're saying it is. Baseball America just ranked them the other way around. Also the A's might have asked for Espinoza for Hill, but no one ever actually thought that's what they were going to get.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 1, 2016 15:17:41 GMT -5
The Pirates and Mets just re-swapped Antonio Bastardo and Jon Niese. Lol.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Aug 1, 2016 15:19:26 GMT -5
we still have Moncada and Benny...yay
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Post by nomar on Aug 1, 2016 15:19:44 GMT -5
Duffy, Fox, and Shaw for Moore. Nice job by the Rays.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 1, 2016 15:20:34 GMT -5
Weak return in my opinion. They must really like Brinson... Feel like Lucroy was one difference maker who's been really underrated lately. Per Keith Law that's 2 top 50 prospects, one rated 21 and one rated 46, sounds like a great return to me. That's about the price of a Proven Closer™.
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Post by sarcasmo on Aug 1, 2016 15:21:33 GMT -5
Boston College 2015 draftee an MA native Chris Shaw is believed to be part of the Matt Moore deal per Joel Sherman. Now it's Matt Duffy, Lucius Fox and (Michael?) Santos for Matt Moore.
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Post by sarcasmo on Aug 1, 2016 15:22:38 GMT -5
Per Keith Law that's 2 top 50 prospects, one rated 21 and one rated 46, sounds like a great return to me. That's about the price of a Proven Closer™. So was the deal actually Brinson & Ortiz for Jeffress? With some Catcher thrown in?
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Post by congusgambler33 on Aug 1, 2016 15:23:47 GMT -5
On a sad note...We still have Farrell.
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