SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
2016 Trade Deadline News and Discussion
|
Post by pokeefe363 on Aug 1, 2016 15:24:21 GMT -5
Per Keith Law that's 2 top 50 prospects, one rated 21 and one rated 46, sounds like a great return to me. That's about the price of a Proven Closer™. Jeffress is also a proven closer at this point. 3rd consecutive season of a sub 3 ERA and 27 saves this year. Lucroy has been the 3rd best catcher in the league this year and is about to have his 4th straight 3+ WAR season in the last 5 years. There's no way Miller is worth more than those 2. Even as a 1B, Lucroy's bat still sticks.
|
|
|
Post by redsox3in10 on Aug 1, 2016 15:25:16 GMT -5
we still have Moncada and Benny...yay And Devers and Kopech and Groome ... I'd still take our top five over pretty much anyone else's, but our next 15 sure don't look as good as they did before this year.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,790
Member is Online
|
Post by nomar on Aug 1, 2016 15:28:01 GMT -5
That's about the price of a Proven Closer™. Jeffress is also a proven closer at this point. 3rd consecutive season of a sub 3 ERA and 27 saves this year. Lucroy has been the 3rd best catcher in the league this year and is about to have his 4th straight 3+ WAR season in the last 5 years. There's no way Miller is worth more than those 2. Even as a 1B, Lucroy's bat still sticks. Better than Hanley's.
|
|
|
Post by malynn19 on Aug 1, 2016 15:29:14 GMT -5
we still have Moncada and Benny...yay And Devers and Kopech and Groome ... I'd still take our top five over pretty much anyone else's, but our next 15 sure don't look as good as they did before this year. Dubon, Dr. Ock, Longhi and Travis disagree with you!
|
|
|
Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 1, 2016 15:31:01 GMT -5
And Devers and Kopech and Groome ... I'd still take our top five over pretty much anyone else's, but our next 15 sure don't look as good as they did before this year. Dubon, Dr. Ock, Longhi and Travis disagree with you! Don't forget good Basabe.
|
|
|
Post by sox fan in nc on Aug 1, 2016 15:32:39 GMT -5
We should walk away with the division title in 2017 & 2018.
|
|
|
Post by burythehammer on Aug 1, 2016 15:33:58 GMT -5
we still have Moncada and Benny...yay And Devers and Kopech and Groome ... Wait a few months. But in all seriousness, I'll give Dombrowski credit for showing some restraint, which I wasn't sure he was capable of
|
|
redsox04071318champs
Veteran
Always hoping to make my handle even longer...
Posts: 15,649
Member is Online
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2016 15:35:27 GMT -5
I'm very well aware that the Yankees don't have all the money in baseball. Hard to tell that from your posts. Have you not followed their spending sprees in certain offseasons? Is it really hard to figure out with all the top notch talent available in that offseason that the Yankees are going to go hard after two or three of the top free agents? Not every team is going to have $400 million to give Bryce Harper and have plenty of money left over. It's not like Harper, Machado, and Kershaw are the only big ticket items. There's Donaldson and Fernandez as well. And others. It's not like the Yankees get Harper and they're done. When the Yankees spend, they spend big and they spend often, and it's obvious what their plan is and that they're well positioned to do it.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2016 15:35:34 GMT -5
Per Keith Law that's 2 top 50 prospects, one rated 21 and one rated 46, sounds like a great return to me. That's about the price of a Proven Closer™. No that's the current price of Guys like Chapman and Miller, who are in a different league from Jeffress. The Wil Smith trade is just worst trade i've seen in a while.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2016 15:38:51 GMT -5
While Cotton might be equal to Johnson, Montas is in no way equal to Kopech, a top 50 prospect. It would have been more like Light and Johnson. I prefer Pomeranz over Hill, the point is that Hill went for peanuts compared to what they wanted. I would bet DD would have traded more for Hill than that before he made Pomeranz trade. A's waited too long and really messed that up.
Kopech over Montas is not nearly as obvious as you're saying it is. Baseball America just ranked them the other way around. Also the A's might have asked for Espinoza for Hill, but no one ever actually thought that's what they were going to get.
For me Kopech is night and day over Montas. See the thing is DD wanted to make a trade and A's wanted Espinoza. So DD traded for Pomeranz. A's played chicken and lost big time.
|
|
|
Post by pokeefe363 on Aug 1, 2016 15:40:43 GMT -5
That's about the price of a Proven Closer™. No that's the current price of Guys like Chapman and Miller, who are in a different league from Jeffress. The Wil Smith trade is just worst trade i've seen in a while. Point is that Lucroy is more valuable than both Miller and Chapman as a 2-way catcher who's signed cheaply next year. Put Jeffress on top of that and the Yankees seem to have gotten much better returns for their guys than the Brewers got.
|
|
|
Post by congusgambler33 on Aug 1, 2016 15:41:29 GMT -5
And Devers and Kopech and Groome ... Wait a few months. But in all seriousness, I'll give Dombrowski credit for showing some restraint, which I wasn't sure he was capable of I was too, but after hearing him explain about the fact that he had a lot of good prospects with the Expos that came up in the system. He was in a different element in detroit that was win now at any cost. In boston they want to have longterm success and that means much more restraint in trading all your prospects for big league stars. this is sound thinking for the long term. Detroit didn't care about saving prospects.
|
|
|
Post by Guidas on Aug 1, 2016 15:42:28 GMT -5
That's about the price of a Proven Closer™. No that's the current price of Guys like Chapman and Miller, who are in a different league from Jeffress. The Wil Smith trade is just worst trade i've seen in a while. My point is this is not for off from what Sox paid for Kimbrel.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2016 15:46:52 GMT -5
No that's the current price of Guys like Chapman and Miller, who are in a different league from Jeffress. The Wil Smith trade is just worst trade i've seen in a while. Point is that Lucroy is more valuable than both Miller and Chapman as a 2-way catcher who's signed cheaply next year. Put Jeffress on top of that and the Yankees seem to have gotten much better returns for their guys than the Brewers got. I'm not so sure about that, if you believe the fangraph article that says elite relievers are undervalued by about 2 war, Miller and Chapman are more valuable players. Lucroy bwar 2.5, Miller is 2.2 if you can add 2 bwar to that Miller is much more valuable. Also Texas traded the highest rated prospect out of those 3 trades and two top 50 guys, Miller and Chapman deals were two top 100 guys, with only one top 50 guy in each trade
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2016 15:49:35 GMT -5
They're not going to sign Harper, Machado and Kershaw. Please come back to the real world. And even if they do, they'll need 22 other players.
|
|
|
Post by Guidas on Aug 1, 2016 15:51:26 GMT -5
They're not going to sign Harper, Machado and Kershaw. Please come back to the real world. And even if they do, they'll need 22 other players. They just traded for those guys in the last four days.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2016 15:55:39 GMT -5
I think we need to give DD credit in trading for Ziegler and Abad. In a market were the prices were really high he made two very good trades.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2016 15:55:47 GMT -5
On a sad note...We still have Farrell. Thankfully, today is not the manager firing deadline.
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Aug 1, 2016 15:55:49 GMT -5
Hard to tell that from your posts. Have you not followed their spending sprees in certain offseasons? Is it really hard to figure out with all the top notch talent available in that offseason that the Yankees are going to go hard after two or three of the top free agents? Not every team is going to have $400 million to give Bryce Harper and have plenty of money left over. It's not like Harper, Machado, and Kershaw are the only big ticket items. There's Donaldson and Fernandez as well. And others. It's not like the Yankees get Harper and they're done. When the Yankees spend, they spend big and they spend often, and it's obvious what their plan is and that they're well positioned to do it. They are not signing all of them. They won't spend a billion dollars on 4 players. It's a fantasy that MLBN is trying to push that won't materialize
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,790
Member is Online
|
Post by nomar on Aug 1, 2016 15:57:22 GMT -5
I still think I would take Groome (and obviously Benny, Moncada and Devers) over anyone in NY's system. I know Groome isn't ranked as highly as Torres, Judge, or Frazier but I don't think I would trade him straight up for any of them.
|
|
|
Post by pokeefe363 on Aug 1, 2016 15:58:22 GMT -5
Point is that Lucroy is more valuable than both Miller and Chapman as a 2-way catcher who's signed cheaply next year. Put Jeffress on top of that and the Yankees seem to have gotten much better returns for their guys than the Brewers got. I'm not so sure about that, if you believe the fangraph article that says elite relievers are undervalued by about 2 war, Miller and Chapman are more valuable players. Lucroy bwar 2.5, Miller is 2.2 if you can add 2 bwar to that Miller is much more valuable. Also Texas traded the highest rated prospect out of those 3 trades and two top 50 guys, Miller and Chapman deals were two top 100 guys, with only one top 50 guy in each trade Over the course of a season, possibly, but not at this point right now. Otherwise, you're arguing that Miller is currently more valuable than Bogaerts and Bradley, which is absolutely ridiculous. Even over the course of a season, it's a huge stretch. Hard to be a 4.5 WAR player when you only pitch 65-70 innings. The prospects they traded were very similar to the other headliners: m.mlb.com/prospects/2016 . Brinson is 21, Frazier 22, Torres 24. Out of those 3, Brinson is by far having the worst year too. Ortiz is 63. The upgrade from Chirinos to Lucroy is massive as it would be for most teams in baseball.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2016 15:59:42 GMT -5
I hope the Yankees do sign Harper for $400 million. He'd be 8th on the Red Sox in wRC+ this year.
|
|
|
Post by soxfanatic on Aug 1, 2016 16:04:28 GMT -5
Liriano to the Jays
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2016 16:04:50 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about that, if you believe the fangraph article that says elite relievers are undervalued by about 2 war, Miller and Chapman are more valuable players. Lucroy bwar 2.5, Miller is 2.2 if you can add 2 bwar to that Miller is much more valuable. Also Texas traded the highest rated prospect out of those 3 trades and two top 50 guys, Miller and Chapman deals were two top 100 guys, with only one top 50 guy in each trade Over the course of a season, possibly, but not at this point right now. Otherwise, you're arguing that Miller is currently more valuable than Bogaerts and Bradley, which is absolutely ridiculous. Even over the course of a season, it's a huge stretch. Hard to be a 4.5 WAR player when you only pitch 65-70 innings. The prospects they traded were very similar to the other headliners: m.mlb.com/prospects/2016 . Brinson is 21, Frazier 22, Torres 24. Out of those 3, Brinson is by far having the worst year too. Ortiz is 63. The upgrade from Chirinos to Lucroy is massive as it would be for most teams in baseball. Well yea you would need to discount the 2 wars for 60% of season played, so lets say 1 war, that would put Miller at 3.2 bwar on the year
|
|
|
Post by pokeefe363 on Aug 1, 2016 16:06:28 GMT -5
Over the course of a season, possibly, but not at this point right now. Otherwise, you're arguing that Miller is currently more valuable than Bogaerts and Bradley, which is absolutely ridiculous. Even over the course of a season, it's a huge stretch. Hard to be a 4.5 WAR player when you only pitch 65-70 innings. The prospects they traded were very similar to the other headliners: m.mlb.com/prospects/2016 . Brinson is 21, Frazier 22, Torres 24. Out of those 3, Brinson is by far having the worst year too. Ortiz is 63. The upgrade from Chirinos to Lucroy is massive as it would be for most teams in baseball. Well yea you would need to discount the 2 wars for 60% of season played, so lets say 1 war, that would put Miller at 3.2 bwar on the year I'll put it this way, this is similar to what the Red Sox traded for Kimbrel and I'd prefer Jeffress and Lucroy.
|
|
|