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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2016 16:08:01 GMT -5
Have you not followed their spending sprees in certain offseasons? Is it really hard to figure out with all the top notch talent available in that offseason that the Yankees are going to go hard after two or three of the top free agents? Not every team is going to have $400 million to give Bryce Harper and have plenty of money left over. It's not like Harper, Machado, and Kershaw are the only big ticket items. There's Donaldson and Fernandez as well. And others. It's not like the Yankees get Harper and they're done. When the Yankees spend, they spend big and they spend often, and it's obvious what their plan is and that they're well positioned to do it. They are not signing all of them. They won't spend a billion dollars on 4 players. It's a fantasy that MLBN is trying to push that won't materialize I didn't say the Yankees are signing 4 players. I don't think they'd go after Donaldson unless they don't get Machado. They're going to go hard after Harper who should be hitting his prime by then. They will go hard after a top notch pitcher. I figure one of Kershaw or Fernandez, and I think they'll go after Machado. All three would be around 27 years old and make the most sense for them to get.
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Post by manfred on Aug 1, 2016 16:22:13 GMT -5
Ok, exhale. The trade deadline should also be the deadline on reflecting on Kimbrel, Pomeranz etc. other than their on-going performance. What's done is done, and in the big picture, this was a weird year for a lot of teams.
Hopefully, Kimbrel is healthy and Benny is on Alaskan Air to Seattle. Adding an elite closer and a young outfielder after the deadline is what Sox have needed these past weeks.
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Post by nexus on Aug 1, 2016 16:32:19 GMT -5
I didn't say the Yankees are signing 4 players. I don't think they'd go after Donaldson unless they don't get Machado. They're going to go hard after Harper who should be hitting his prime by then. They will go hard after a top notch pitcher. I figure one of Kershaw or Fernandez, and I think they'll go after Machado. All three would be around 27 years old and make the most sense for them to get. I wonder if Yankee fans are writing similar posts after watching the boogeyman Red Sox out-pay for Price, Moncada, etc and recognizing they will still have a younger and relatively inexpensive core in 2019.
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Post by malynn19 on Aug 1, 2016 16:36:16 GMT -5
They are not signing all of them. They won't spend a billion dollars on 4 players. It's a fantasy that MLBN is trying to push that won't materialize I didn't say the Yankees are signing 4 players. I don't think they'd go after Donaldson unless they don't get Machado. They're going to go hard after Harper who should be hitting his prime by then. They will go hard after a top notch pitcher. I figure one of Kershaw or Fernandez, and I think they'll go after Machado. All three would be around 27 years old and make the most sense for them to get. Unless George comes back from the dead this will never happen. One thing George did was invest everything into the Yankees. They will go after 1-2 top tier players but it won't be enough because despite having a few prospects in the top 100, their original prospects are not that good. This organization is terrible at scouting/drafting.
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Post by mannofsteele on Aug 1, 2016 17:03:02 GMT -5
Fernando Abad wasn't a terrible use of Pat Light for a left bullpen arm where as far as I'm concerned we're weak.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 1, 2016 17:10:26 GMT -5
Let this be remembered as the day when SoxProspects.com stared into the abyss...and the abyss blinked.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2016 17:11:48 GMT -5
Well yea you would need to discount the 2 wars for 60% of season played, so lets say 1 war, that would put Miller at 3.2 bwar on the year I'll put it this way, this is similar to what the Red Sox traded for Kimbrel and I'd prefer Jeffress and Lucroy. Hey if that's what you prefer. I just think Jeffress gets lit up in American league. Everyone is all down on Kimbrel this year and he has an 1.09 WHIP in AL east, Jeffress has a WHIP of 1.25 in NL West. I think Hembree might be a better reliever in AL than Jeffress.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 1, 2016 17:18:28 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan 2 min. Pirates' trade of Francisco Liriano to Toronto was a pure salary dump of ~$15M. Included Harold Ramirez/Reese McGuire, both legit prospects.
That's awful
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Post by ramireja on Aug 1, 2016 17:22:37 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan 2 min. Pirates' trade of Francisco Liriano to Toronto was a pure salary dump of ~$15M. Included Harold Ramirez/Reese McGuire, both legit prospects. That's awful For as upset as most of us were about the Kimbrel and Pomeranz trades.....I'm shocked at a number of the trades that went down today.
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Post by pokeefe363 on Aug 1, 2016 17:54:55 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan 2 min. Pirates' trade of Francisco Liriano to Toronto was a pure salary dump of ~$15M. Included Harold Ramirez/Reese McGuire, both legit prospects. That's awful Good use of salary superiority by the Jays. They needed to add a few specs too after the trades they made last year.
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Post by pokeefe363 on Aug 1, 2016 18:12:33 GMT -5
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Post by taftreign on Aug 1, 2016 18:13:08 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan 2 min. Pirates' trade of Francisco Liriano to Toronto was a pure salary dump of ~$15M. Included Harold Ramirez/Reese McGuire, both legit prospects. That's awful We've talked about the Pirates surplus OF with McCutchen, Marte, Polanco, Meadows and Ramirez but this is a poor way of using that surplus. I know it's saving cash but still very unPiratelike to give away prospects like this.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 1, 2016 18:34:07 GMT -5
Especially after the Pirates low balled us on the Lester talks
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 1, 2016 18:36:57 GMT -5
He's not getting through waivers.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 1, 2016 18:47:32 GMT -5
He's not getting through waivers. From Adam Katz, Puig's agent: “I'm told he was not at the park. The club informed me and the player understood clearly that they were making every effort to trade him and that if they were unable to come to terms with another club on a trade - and successful in acquiring another outfielder - that he likely would be demoted. My understanding is that transaction will happen tomorrow.”
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Post by tonyc on Aug 1, 2016 19:21:32 GMT -5
All in all pretty pleased right now. A good lefty bullpen piece without a large price to accompany Ziegler to somewhat make up for the loss of Carson Smith and Koji, with Kimbrel back, Kelly in the minors hopefully adding breaking pitchers to the fastball and Henbree there. Also, suddenly better spot starter depth than just a few days ago between improvements in Buccholtz, Johnson, and Owens. And in left field Young eventually on the way and perhaps Benintendi. Price looked better and so possibilities this year, and Dombrowski ended up either hopefully showing some restraint in keeping our big 5 in tact (for now). Or of some concern, would've dealt more but didn't get the right deal in Sale, Lucroy and Beltran. I just hope all 5 show progress and some advancement and make themselves less tradeable with what they do the rest of the year. Just some concern over the MFY finally wising up, as I'd mentioned in a previous post, their reentry into the better teams in several years does represent a window which in a sense justifies a Pomeranz move. Ironically would their current move toward saving prospects put some pressure on DD to consider keeping his own going forward to compete with them longer term?
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 1, 2016 19:23:07 GMT -5
He's not getting through waivers. From Adam Katz, Puig's agent: “I'm told he was not at the park. The club informed me and the player understood clearly that they were making every effort to trade him and that if they were unable to come to terms with another club on a trade - and successful in acquiring another outfielder - that he likely would be demoted. My understanding is that transaction will happen tomorrow.” Right. He's being sent down and not traded.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 1, 2016 19:28:51 GMT -5
The Pirates and Mets just re-swapped Antonio Bastardo and Jon Niese. Lol. This is my favorite. I love frantic trades at the deadline for players who are obviously going to clear waivers. With all due respect I can't imagine fielding calls for Antonio Bastardo at a time like that.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 1, 2016 19:31:46 GMT -5
“@tomcaron: Dombrowski said Sox had no trade talks w/ CWS since Friday. ”A long time ago in baseball,“ he said. No last-minute Sale talks today.”
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 1, 2016 20:15:24 GMT -5
Yeah no to Puig. I know clubhouse cancer gets thrown around a lot but literally no one in the Dodger organization likes this guy. As evidenced by being optioned and most likely getting traded during waiver wire period this August.
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 1, 2016 20:15:58 GMT -5
Let this be remembered as the day when SoxProspects.com stared into the abyss...and the abyss blinked. Hahaha. I was at work all day at my computer, literally ignoring sports because I was worried Dombrowski would piss away our entire farm system. I'm glad he didn't. And I'm glad he made a nice, cheap trade for a solid pen lefty.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2016 21:12:22 GMT -5
I didn't say the Yankees are signing 4 players. I don't think they'd go after Donaldson unless they don't get Machado. They're going to go hard after Harper who should be hitting his prime by then. They will go hard after a top notch pitcher. I figure one of Kershaw or Fernandez, and I think they'll go after Machado. All three would be around 27 years old and make the most sense for them to get. Unless George comes back from the dead this will never happen. One thing George did was invest everything into the Yankees. They will go after 1-2 top tier players but it won't be enough because despite having a few prospects in the top 100, their original prospects are not that good. This organization is terrible at scouting/drafting. If George was alive and running the team as he did in the 80s once Gabe Paul was gone, he would have signed the biggest ticket free agent EVERY offseason and traded every good prospects for a has-been star. The current Yankees splurge in particular offseasons. In 2008-09 they took on two enormous contracts in Teixeira and Sabathia in the same offseason and also paid big bucks for Burnett. All while they already had the Core 4 signed to big contracts. In the offseason of 2013-14, they made two huge signings inking both Ellsbury and Tanaka, and they added McCann and Beltran as well. I was mistaken thinking they'd grab Price or spend big on Moncada (they really screwed that up!). But it's obvious what their pattern is. They're going to splurge when it makes the most sense to do so, and that's why they're building up their farm system and trading their assets and stripping down payroll. They're totally gearing up. I expect them to sign at least two of that class. You figure Harper is target #1 and a big-time starting pitcher like Fernandez or Kershaw will be needed, and I do think they'll get another middle of the order bat which is why I think they'll go after Machado. We'll see. You might think it's crazy, but I don't think it's that outlandish.
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 1, 2016 21:26:12 GMT -5
The thing I don't see too many people saying when it comes to a big free agent class for the Yankees is the fact that there will be a TON of suitors for all of those players. Many teams will be backing up the Brinks trucks for those guys. Yes the Yankees have more clout than pretty much everyone, but with so many bidders the prices could easily get too high to fit more than 1 or 2 massive contracts.
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Post by jmei on Aug 1, 2016 21:27:16 GMT -5
Man, the Giants had a bad trade deadline.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 1, 2016 22:29:00 GMT -5
Fwiw “@barstoolwsd: FWIW I was told the #WhiteSox turned down a Benintendi, Kopech, Johnson/Ball, and PTBNL package for Quintana from #RedSox”
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