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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 1, 2016 0:45:02 GMT -5
Anybody notice that Dubon is quietly having a very nice AFL stint? .293 ave .846 OPS 2 Hr's while playing center field. Could be a sleeper in promotions. Dubon is a top 100 prospect. Baseball America better recognize this. All he does is continue to hit.
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Post by gerry on Nov 1, 2016 9:28:15 GMT -5
Michael Kopech and *cough* Trey Ball *cough* named to the AFL West Fall Stars team: mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/afl/club.jsp?team_id=1311. I obviously haven't seen any games, but his stats do not exactly look all-star worthy. I guess maybe it's a meaningless designation? EDIT: I just noticed his game log, and it looks like he was okay other than one awful game, but that game was truly awful. I think we can all be happy that, at this stage in his development, Trey's good games are the norm and his one bad game the anomaly. Looking forward with hope and some genuine confidence as to how this lanky kid handles his 2017 season. Patience works.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 1, 2016 11:44:42 GMT -5
Anybody notice that Dubon is quietly having a very nice AFL stint? .293 ave .846 OPS 2 Hr's while playing center field. Could be a sleeper in promotions. Dubon is a top 100 prospect. Baseball America better recognize this. All he does is continue to hit. I'd be stunned - he's not a Top 100 prospect. He's a fine prospect, but when the likely projection is "superutility player," that's not a top 100 prospect. That's not a knock on him, but I think, rather, you may be underestimating how good one must be to be a top 100 prospect. It seems pretty easy to project that the Sox will have 5 Top 100 guys this offseason precisely, although maybe some site that doesn't do a lot of in-person scouting (paging John Sickels) will slip someone in the very back of the list. His hit tool is nice, but his Portland power numbers seem really skewed by his super-hot August. I'd like to see that continue in 2017 before I buy into his having even average pop. Consider also that he can handle shortstop in the short or medium-term for a team, but I'm not convinced he can handle it for any longer than that. Maybe some team sees him as a full-time second baseman, but again, that's more pressure on the bat. Consider this: when's the last time a top 100 prospect was asked to learn a completely position in the offseason in order to make him a better potential utility player? Note: This is different, of course, than asking one to learn a new position to get them a spot in the lineup, like Betts and Moncada. It's not like the Sox have Dubon learning center field because he's got a better chance to start there, given the presence of three center fielders in next season's projected starting outfield.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 1, 2016 13:20:39 GMT -5
Dubon is a top 100 prospect. Baseball America better recognize this. All he does is continue to hit. I'd be stunned - he's not a Top 100 prospect. He's a fine prospect, but when the likely projection is "superutility player," that's not a top 100 prospect. That's not a knock on him, but I think, rather, you may be underestimating how good one must be to be a top 100 prospect. It seems pretty easy to project that the Sox will have 5 Top 100 guys this offseason precisely, although maybe some site that doesn't do a lot of in-person scouting (paging John Sickels) will slip someone in the very back of the list. His hit tool is nice, but his Portland power numbers seem really skewed by his super-hot August. I'd like to see that continue in 2017 before I buy into his having even average pop. Consider also that he can handle shortstop in the short or medium-term for a team, but I'm not convinced he can handle it for any longer than that. Maybe some team sees him as a full-time second baseman, but again, that's more pressure on the bat. Consider this: when's the last time a top 100 prospect was asked to learn a completely position in the offseason in order to make him a better potential utility player? Note: This is different, of course, than asking one to learn a new position to get them a spot in the lineup, like Betts and Moncada. It's not like the Sox have Dubon learning center field because he's got a better chance to start there, given the presence of three center fielders in next season's projected starting outfield. Ohh alright, he's just been hitting the ball so dang well. It's just hard to not see him in the top 100 somewhere. I didn't know he was a below average short stop, I thought he could play there and hit also, which is why I was thinking he was in that top 100 group. It's hard to find a short stop with a really good hit tool. Here's to hoping he plays CF really well to boost his prospect ratings.
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Post by michael on Nov 1, 2016 15:37:18 GMT -5
IIRC the Duke favored having both CFers & Middle Infielders play at the 3 available positions In the minors. He felt that many of the skills Overlapped and benefited from the exposure.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 1, 2016 17:49:27 GMT -5
I'd be stunned - he's not a Top 100 prospect. He's a fine prospect, but when the likely projection is "superutility player," that's not a top 100 prospect. That's not a knock on him, but I think, rather, you may be underestimating how good one must be to be a top 100 prospect. It seems pretty easy to project that the Sox will have 5 Top 100 guys this offseason precisely, although maybe some site that doesn't do a lot of in-person scouting (paging John Sickels) will slip someone in the very back of the list. His hit tool is nice, but his Portland power numbers seem really skewed by his super-hot August. I'd like to see that continue in 2017 before I buy into his having even average pop. Consider also that he can handle shortstop in the short or medium-term for a team, but I'm not convinced he can handle it for any longer than that. Maybe some team sees him as a full-time second baseman, but again, that's more pressure on the bat. Consider this: when's the last time a top 100 prospect was asked to learn a completely position in the offseason in order to make him a better potential utility player? Note: This is different, of course, than asking one to learn a new position to get them a spot in the lineup, like Betts and Moncada. It's not like the Sox have Dubon learning center field because he's got a better chance to start there, given the presence of three center fielders in next season's projected starting outfield. Ohh alright, he's just been hitting the ball so dang well. It's just hard to not see him in the top 100 somewhere. I didn't know he was a below average short stop, I thought he could play there and hit also, which is why I was thinking he was in that top 100 group. It's hard to find a short stop with a really good hit tool. Here's to hoping he plays CF really well to boost his prospect ratings. I wouldn't say he's below average necessarily. He's just ok there. Good hands, but the arm is average at best based on recent looks. I'll put it this way - if he isn't going to hit for power, I don't see him as good enough defensively to justify starting him at short. If the bat plays, maybe you get away with it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 1, 2016 18:26:10 GMT -5
Ohh alright, he's just been hitting the ball so dang well. It's just hard to not see him in the top 100 somewhere. I didn't know he was a below average short stop, I thought he could play there and hit also, which is why I was thinking he was in that top 100 group. It's hard to find a short stop with a really good hit tool. Here's to hoping he plays CF really well to boost his prospect ratings. I wouldn't say he's below average necessarily. He's just ok there. Good hands, but the arm is average at best based on recent looks. I'll put it this way - if he isn't going to hit for power, I don't see him as good enough defensively to justify starting him at short. If the bat plays, maybe you get away with it. Lately the bat has been playing, there's no denying that. I still think he should be in the top 100 towards the 90-100 range, but I admit that I could be a little higher than most. That hit tool is starting to really stand out.
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Post by deepjohn on Nov 2, 2016 1:38:59 GMT -5
Almost forgot to update everyone... Happy Kopech Day!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 2, 2016 3:41:48 GMT -5
I got to admit, I'm not on Deepjohn island with fascinations of Kopech in my sleep, but Kopech is starting to get interesting. Too bad he hasn't been building innings the past two years because of the injuries and dumb stuff he's been doing. Although, keeping his innings down could be a blessing in disguise at this point.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 2, 2016 10:07:02 GMT -5
Almost forgot to update everyone... Happy Kopech Day! An additional plus: Kopech picked off the only batter to reach base. (on the other hand, the Surprise Saguaros were no-hit by Frankie Montas and company)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 2, 2016 15:00:39 GMT -5
I'm liking it.
Saw today that the league had its first no-hitter in 15 years or something this week. I wonder if the league is playing pitcher-friendly for whatever reason this year, because I've seen a decent number of pitching performances highlighted.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Nov 2, 2016 16:13:43 GMT -5
Based on his 136 fastballs in the AFL, here is how they compare
98.9 avg, 10.6 vertical movement, 2.3 horizontal movement Syndergaard 98.6 avg, 10.6 vertical movement, 6.9 horizontal movement Kopech
10.6 v-mov ("life", "rise", "jump") is 14th of 88 RH SP who threw 500+ last season.
Salazar may be the closest fastball movement comparison, but he is only throwing 95.8.
He has also thrown 44 sliders (87.7) and 14 changeups (90.6).
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Post by klostrophobic on Nov 2, 2016 17:14:04 GMT -5
I'm liking it. Saw today that the league had its first no-hitter in 15 years or something this week. I wonder if the league is playing pitcher-friendly for whatever reason this year, because I've seen a decent number of pitching performances highlighted. How much does adding Tim Tebow into the mix alter the overall offense v pitching dynamic league wide? I imagine its huge; akin to AL v NL with respect to the DH v P.
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Post by deepjohn on Nov 2, 2016 17:31:34 GMT -5
Based on his 136 fastballs in the AFL, here is how they compare 98.9 avg, 10.6 vertical movement, 2.3 horizontal movement Syndergaard 98.6 avg, 10.6 vertical movement, 6.9 horizontal movement Kopech 10.6 v-mov ("life", "rise", "jump") is 14th of 88 RH SP who threw 500+ last season. Salazar may be the closest fastball movement comparison, but he is only throwing 95.8. He has also thrown 44 sliders (87.7) and 14 changeups (90.6).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 2, 2016 17:36:11 GMT -5
Kopech is jacked. He does play Thor really well hahaha.
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Post by deepjohn on Nov 2, 2016 17:41:07 GMT -5
Kopech is jacked. He does play Thor really well hahaha. yeah, would use that for my profile pic if you guys vote for it.
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Post by Coreno on Nov 2, 2016 18:11:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure I can think of any picture more appropriate for you than Kopech as a super hero.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 2, 2016 20:26:56 GMT -5
Based on his 136 fastballs in the AFL, here is how they compare 98.9 avg, 10.6 vertical movement, 2.3 horizontal movement Syndergaard 98.6 avg, 10.6 vertical movement, 6.9 horizontal movement Kopech 10.6 v-mov ("life", "rise", "jump") is 14th of 88 RH SP who threw 500+ last season. Salazar may be the closest fastball movement comparison, but he is only throwing 95.8. He has also thrown 44 sliders (87.7) and 14 changeups (90.6). Wow! Talk about changing eye level. If his secondary pitches improve, he could be a top of the rotation pitcher.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 3, 2016 14:41:20 GMT -5
Kopech is jacked. He does play Thor really well hahaha. yeah, would use that for my profile pic if you guys vote for it.
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Post by deepjohn on Nov 3, 2016 16:36:00 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 4, 2016 14:12:44 GMT -5
Guy sounds like a remake of Carson Smith with more velocity. Actually he sounds like a Carson Smith with a change up.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 5, 2016 4:09:08 GMT -5
Kopech is jacked. He does play Thor really well hahaha. <<<<<----- Yeah, he is...
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Post by jimoh on Nov 5, 2016 7:20:18 GMT -5
Guy sounds like a remake of Carson Smith with more velocity. Actually he sounds like a Carson Smith with a change up. Yeah, aside from the different height, different delivery, different fastball, and the changeup, they're practically identical!
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Post by pd on Nov 5, 2016 8:06:06 GMT -5
Guy sounds like a remake of Carson Smith with more velocity. Actually he sounds like a Carson Smith with a change up. Yeah, aside from the different height, different delivery, different fastball, and the changeup, they're practically identical! Well, they're both pitchers! 14 Innings, 1 walk, 18 strikeouts is certainly reason for optimism. Trey Ball, 8 innings, 12 walks, 6 strikeouts is not.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 5, 2016 12:08:15 GMT -5
Guy sounds like a remake of Carson Smith with more velocity. Actually he sounds like a Carson Smith with a change up. Yeah, aside from the different height, different delivery, different fastball, and the changeup, they're practically identical! I was talking about the ground balls and strikeouts he generates. Purely on paper they sound the same. Not in game.
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