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Post by Guidas on Sept 5, 2016 16:47:10 GMT -5
Shaw is a better option than a guy who is talented but raw and strikes out too much, yes. He's also played the position much more. Shaw is not a better option. He has been Sandoval level since June. And I'm really not sure why people care about strikeout percentage. This isn't the 1990s anymore. You think the Angels cared when Mike Trout struck out 26% of the time in 2014? Well, for one, Moncada couldn't handle AA pitching. I hear the MLB pitching is tougher. That could be a rumor, though. Unless you're comparing 2016 MLB for three games Yoan Moncada with 2014 Mike Trout. In which case, you need to re-evaluate your comps. And I still submit that right now, Shaw is a better MLB 3rd baseman than Moncada. This may not be true by next May 30 or so, but right now, yes. Unless we're reverting to 3 game samples.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 5, 2016 16:53:06 GMT -5
Jackson is pitching great today or the Sox offense is making him look great. Yes.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 5, 2016 16:53:30 GMT -5
Shaw is not a better option. He has been Sandoval level since June. And I'm really not sure why people care about strikeout percentage. This isn't the 1990s anymore. You think the Angels cared when Mike Trout struck out 26% of the time in 2014? Well he couldn't handle AA pitching. I hear the MLB pitching is tougher. That could be a rumor, though. Unless you're comparing 2016 MLB for three games Yoan Moncada with 2014 Mike Trout. In which case, you need to re-evaluate your comps. Lol. Moancada had 11 HRs, a .254 ISO, an OPS of .910, a 159 wrc+ and a in 45 games in AA as a 21 year old and there are people who suggest he couldn't handle the pitching. Seriously, I really am confused as to why people are freaking out of a young player with extremely limited professional experience striking out a lot. It's dumb. Hahaha, well I'm out in that case. I can't handle it myself.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 5, 2016 16:55:25 GMT -5
Well he couldn't handle AA pitching. I hear the MLB pitching is tougher. That could be a rumor, though. Unless you're comparing 2016 MLB for three games Yoan Moncada with 2014 Mike Trout. In which case, you need to re-evaluate your comps. Lol. Moancada had 11 HRs, a .254 ISO, an OPS of .910, a 159 wrc+ and a in 45 games in AA as a 21 year old and there are people who suggest he couldn't handle the pitching. Seriously, I really am confused as to why people are freaking out of a young player with extremely limited professional experience striking out a lot. It's dumb. Hahaha, well I'm out in that case. I can't handle it myself. So you're OK with giving up at bats in a playoff race?
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 5, 2016 16:58:09 GMT -5
Lol. Moancada had 11 HRs, a .254 ISO, an OPS of .910, a 159 wrc+ and a in 45 games in AA as a 21 year old and there are people who suggest he couldn't handle the pitching. Seriously, I really am confused as to why people are freaking out of a young player with extremely limited professional experience striking out a lot. It's dumb. Hahaha, well I'm out in that case. I can't handle it myself. So you're OK with giving up at bats in a playoff race? This logic is especially hilarious considering Travis Shaw strikes out at a 25.3% rate.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 5, 2016 16:58:53 GMT -5
So glad we traded for a guy who gives up HRs at will.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2016 16:59:10 GMT -5
Lol. Moancada had 11 HRs, a .254 ISO, an OPS of .910, a 159 wrc+ and a in 45 games in AA as a 21 year old and there are people who suggest he couldn't handle the pitching. Seriously, I really am confused as to why people are freaking out of a young player with extremely limited professional experience striking out a lot. It's dumb. Hahaha, well I'm out in that case. I can't handle it myself. So you're OK with giving up at bats in a playoff race? Shaw had a 41 wRC+ in August. What are we missing out on?
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Sept 5, 2016 16:59:42 GMT -5
Wasn't Shaw batting like .217 since May?
Yeah, I'll take Moncada
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2016 16:59:55 GMT -5
So glad we traded for a guy who gives up HRs at will. 372 feet. Would have been a single in Fenway.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 5, 2016 17:03:17 GMT -5
So you're OK with giving up at bats in a playoff race? Shaw had a 41 wRC+ in August. What are we missing out on? Small samples? Shaw in August? Moncada's 45 games in AA? Look, I'm not saying Shaw is the second coming of Scott Rolen but I think anointing Moncada a starter vs. RHP at this point in his career when there are meaningful games to be played may end up being a serious misjudgment. (I've also just set him up for a Sandy Leon-like first month with all this arguing against him too, apparently).
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 5, 2016 17:05:18 GMT -5
Shaw had a 41 wRC+ in August. What are we missing out on? Small samples? Shaw in August? Moncada's 45 games in AA? Look, I'm not saying Shaw is the second coming of Scott Rolen but I think anointing Moncada a starter vs. RHP at this point in his career when there are meaningful games to be played may end up being a serious misjudgment. (I've also just set him up for a Sandy Leon-like first month with all this arguing against him too, apparently). And I think continuing to roll with Travis Shaw and Aaron Hill times and letting them provide negative value in the middle of a tight playoff race would have been an even bigger serious misjudgment.
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Post by nomar on Sept 5, 2016 17:05:59 GMT -5
Pomeranz could give up 4 runs and we should still be mudering Edwin Jackson. The guy is horrible.
Holaday is worthless. He has no place on a major league team.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2016 17:06:36 GMT -5
Shaw had a 41 wRC+ in August. What are we missing out on? Small samples? Shaw in August? Moncada's 45 games in AA? Look, I'm not saying Shaw is the second coming of Scott Rolen but I think anointing Moncada a starter vs. RHP at this point in his career when there are meaningful games to be played may end up being a serious misjudgment. (I've also just set him up for a Sandy Leon-like first month with all this arguing against him too, apparently). OK, since June 1st, Shaw has a 69 wRC+. Is that big enough of a sample to show that there is pretty much zero room to be worse than he and Hill as a platoon?
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Post by gerry on Sept 5, 2016 17:07:32 GMT -5
Best part of today's game for me is listening to, and laughing along with, Don Orsillo. Wonderful memories.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 5, 2016 17:08:01 GMT -5
Speaking of giving up at bats...why the hell is Bryan Holiday in the majors, let alone playing on a major league team that is in the midst of a tight race for a playoff spot.
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Post by bosox on Sept 5, 2016 17:08:24 GMT -5
Pomeranz could give up 4 runs and we should still be mirderig Edwin Jackson. The guy is horrible. Tough to get anything going with the bottom 3 of the order striking out every time up. Basically trying to score or drive runners in with 6 hitters.
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Post by telluricrook on Sept 5, 2016 17:09:08 GMT -5
Too bad Bradley wasnt on third base.
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Post by beantown on Sept 5, 2016 17:09:12 GMT -5
Lol. Moancada had 11 HRs, a .254 ISO, an OPS of .910, a 159 wrc+ and a in 45 games in AA as a 21 year old and there are people who suggest he couldn't handle the pitching. Seriously, I really am confused as to why people are freaking out of a young player with extremely limited professional experience striking out a lot. It's dumb. Hahaha, well I'm out in that case. I can't handle it myself. So you're OK with giving up at bats in a playoff race? So you're saying a Travis Shaw strikeout is a rare occurrence these days?
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 5, 2016 17:09:16 GMT -5
Can already feel us pissing away another opportunity to tie Toronto.....
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Post by Guidas on Sept 5, 2016 17:11:33 GMT -5
Speaking of giving up at bats...why the hell is Bryan Holiday in the majors, let alone playing on a major league team that is in the midst of a tight race for a playoff spot. Agree with this Leon should be in there, or at the very least Hanigan.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 5, 2016 17:12:36 GMT -5
So you're OK with giving up at bats in a playoff race? So you're saying a Travis Shaw strikeout is a rare occurrence these days? Very rare, since he's been sat down after ripping it up Friday night. Moncada seems to be K-K-acthing up quickly though.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2016 17:13:15 GMT -5
Speaking of giving up at bats...why the hell is Bryan Holiday in the majors, let alone playing on a major league team that is in the midst of a tight race for a playoff spot. Agree with this Leon should be in there, or at the very least Hanigan. Or a pinch hitter and then Hanigan and then a pinch hitter and then Vazquez.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 5, 2016 17:14:10 GMT -5
Is Rick Porcello just about the only starting pitcher that can get consistent run support? All this team has to do is knock around Edwin Jackson which shouldn't be so tough to do - and they need to in order to regain a share of 1st place yet they're making him look like a superstar.
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Post by templeusox on Sept 5, 2016 17:14:44 GMT -5
That should have been his second walk to Jackson. Both times, nibbling against the pitcher.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 5, 2016 17:14:45 GMT -5
This is going to end well
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