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9/27-9/29 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 27, 2016 21:59:39 GMT -5
Mut on WEEI is eviscerating Farrell and Price both - for terrible decision making, and terrible pitching.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2016 22:10:22 GMT -5
That was a disappointing loss (certainly not devastating though - I was hoping to celebrate tonight).
The script would have been perfect for Big Papi to crunch a 3 run HR to win it. But if Big Papi goes 0-5 and leaves everybody on base, you know it's just not your night, especially when Price couldn't shut down NY. I would have preferred to see the Sox go to the pen in the 7th inning and that's not second guessing.
Honestly I'm glad Toronto won tonight. I don't want the Red Sox to back in. I want them to do it the right way. Win at Yankee Stadium. If they lose tomorrow I'm still cool with Toronto winning. If they lose the day after, then that's a different story - I'd like the 3 game series with the Jays to be totally meaningless.
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Post by gerry on Sept 28, 2016 0:26:09 GMT -5
Mut on WEEI is eviscerating Farrell and Price both - for terrible decision making, and terrible pitching. Nothing new there. It's how he (they) make a living
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 28, 2016 5:28:02 GMT -5
That was a disappointing loss (certainly not devastating though - I was hoping to celebrate tonight). The script would have been perfect for Big Papi to crunch a 3 run HR to win it. But if Big Papi goes 0-5 and leaves everybody on base, you know it's just not your night, especially when Price couldn't shut down NY. I would have preferred to see the Sox go to the pen in the 7th inning and that's not second guessing. Honestly I'm glad Toronto won tonight. I don't want the Red Sox to back in. I want them to do it the right way. Win at Yankee Stadium. If they lose tomorrow I'm still cool with Toronto winning. If they lose the day after, then that's a different story - I'd like the 3 game series with the Jays to be totally meaningless. As long as they win the division you take it, doesn't matter how it happens. Owens is pitching on Thursday then we have the Jays.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 28, 2016 6:39:08 GMT -5
Mut on WEEI is eviscerating Farrell and Price both - for terrible decision making, and terrible pitching. No doubt he was praising him during the winning streak.😉
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2016 7:25:24 GMT -5
That was a disappointing loss (certainly not devastating though - I was hoping to celebrate tonight). The script would have been perfect for Big Papi to crunch a 3 run HR to win it. But if Big Papi goes 0-5 and leaves everybody on base, you know it's just not your night, especially when Price couldn't shut down NY. I would have preferred to see the Sox go to the pen in the 7th inning and that's not second guessing. Honestly I'm glad Toronto won tonight. I don't want the Red Sox to back in. I want them to do it the right way. Win at Yankee Stadium. If they lose tomorrow I'm still cool with Toronto winning. If they lose the day after, then that's a different story - I'd like the 3 game series with the Jays to be totally meaningless. As long as they win the division you take it, doesn't matter how it happens. Owens is pitching on Thursday then we have the Jays. I get the point, but with 5 games still left to go, I'm working on style points, and nothing is more stylish than celebrating a victory in the Bronx with champagne. I'm a guy who has taped every "champagne" game from wild card clinchers to division clinchers to pennant clinchers and World Series clinchers from 1986 on. I even got the 1967 and 1975 pennant clinchers on tape (radio feed), along with the champagne parties afterwards. I enjoy those very much. Backing in like they did in 1988 wasn't very satisfying. Backing in probably isn't the right word to use because if they and Toronto lose, the Sox didn't exactly "back in", but they kind of have a flat celebration. By Thursday my tune might change if the Jays are 3 games back with 3 to go against the Sox, but for tonight, I want to win in style.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 28, 2016 7:27:25 GMT -5
Reset for Wednesday:
Magic number of 1 to win the division.
Overall AL standings:
TEX --- (TEX wins the tiebreaker, either based on division record (if BOS wins less than all of its remaining games) or intraleague record (if BOS wins all remaining games))
BOS -0.5
CLE -1.5 (BOS wins the tiebreaker based on head-to-head)
WED: CLE@DET (McAllister), MIL@TEX (Hamels), BOS@MFY (Buchholz) THURS: CLE@DET (Merritt), TEX off, BOS@MFY (Owens) FRI: CLE@KC (Tomlin/Plutko), TB@TEX (Darvish), TOR@BOS (Porcello) SAT: CLE@KC (Bauer), TB@TEX (Lewis), TOR@BOS (Rodriguez) SUN: CLE@KC (Plutko/Tomlin), TB@TEX (Perez), TOR@BOS (Price)
ALDS begins the following Thursday, with Porcello and Price pitching games 1 and 2.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 28, 2016 8:11:18 GMT -5
Mut on WEEI is eviscerating Farrell and Price both - for terrible decision making, and terrible pitching. No doubt he was praising him during the winning streak.😉 He actually was - big time. It is a good show - of course many of the callers are way out there with their views, but I've found Mike Mut. and Christian Arcand to be very balanced with their analysis of the season.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2016 8:27:29 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox had 4 fly outs that were much longer than 2 of the Yankees HRs. Add that to terrible BABIP luck and that's why they didn't win the game by 5-6 runs.
Austin's HR was 347 feet. In Fenway, it probably would have been 40 feet in front of the wall.
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Post by pedey on Sept 28, 2016 10:51:19 GMT -5
I'm going to tonights game, my first Red Sox game not at Fenway Park. My friends have advised that I DONT wear my Red Sox hat and jersey, out of fear of oppressive Yankee fans. That really doesn't bother me though. Should I be concerned at all?
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 28, 2016 11:14:17 GMT -5
I'm going to tonights game, my first Red Sox game not at Fenway Park. My friends have advised that I DONT wear my Red Sox hat and jersey, out of fear of oppressive Yankee fans. That really doesn't bother me though. Should I be concerned at all? Haven't been to the new place yet, but I never had a problem at the old yard. The only place I've ever been given a non-good-natured hard time about wearing my Sox gear on the road was back in 2008 when they played that exhibition against the Dodgers at the LA Coliseum. That was kind of weird.
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Post by jrffam05 on Sept 28, 2016 11:30:31 GMT -5
I'm going to tonights game, my first Red Sox game not at Fenway Park. My friends have advised that I DONT wear my Red Sox hat and jersey, out of fear of oppressive Yankee fans. That really doesn't bother me though. Should I be concerned at all? Meh, you shouldn't be worried about anything that you wouldn't already worry about going to a sports stadium. There's a chance you'll run into a drunk obnoxious guy, but as long as you're not a drunk obnoxious guy you should be fine.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 28, 2016 11:32:24 GMT -5
I'm going to tonights game, my first Red Sox game not at Fenway Park. My friends have advised that I DONT wear my Red Sox hat and jersey, out of fear of oppressive Yankee fans. That really doesn't bother me though. Should I be concerned at all? Haven't been to the new place yet, but I never had a problem at the old yard. The only place I've ever been given a non-good-natured hard time about wearing my Sox gear on the road was back in 2008 when they played that exhibition against the Dodgers at the LA Coliseum. That was kind of weird. Agreed. Went to 1 game @ the old stadium & wore my RS jersey. There were a several people in Sox gear. Didn't have a problem. Just don't taunt anyone. We don't want to have to bail you out of jail or anything.
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Post by cotuitfan on Sept 28, 2016 13:18:46 GMT -5
Taking my 9 year old tomorrow night - you will be fine if you follow the don't be drunk obnox fan advice- half the stadium will be sox nation - best place in the world to be a Sox fan is living in NYC - we don't have to put up with those Muts of the world
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Post by Guidas on Sept 28, 2016 13:51:40 GMT -5
Well, they better get to it tonight if they want to avoid meaningful games vs. Toronto - which I do, personally. Tomorrow with Owens on the mound will be an adventure.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 28, 2016 13:54:00 GMT -5
Since Benintendi is at no worst than the 5th best hitter on the team, let's please start thinking about moving him up in the lineup. He should not be losing RBI opportunities to Sandy Leon. But that's not a rookie's role. Roles are important. Guys have places in the order and coming out of the pen because of tradition and the way the game is played and roles and stuff.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 28, 2016 13:59:44 GMT -5
Price vs. NYY in 2016 6 starts. 27.67 innings. 26 Earned Runs. 6 Home Runs. 14 Strikeouts. 8.46 ERA. So, kinda good the Yankees didn't make the playoffs. By the way, looking at those stats again, I wondered if they are seeing something (i.e. is he tipping) or is he locked in to certain pitch sequence preferences, etc. No idea but, save for one bad start, he did fine against NYY last year so it's not "the pressure" of a playoff race and facing the pinstripes or any of that BS.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 28, 2016 14:54:29 GMT -5
Mut on WEEI is eviscerating Farrell and Price both - for terrible decision making, and terrible pitching. I'm fairly proud of the fact that I have absolutely no idea who Mut is.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 28, 2016 14:54:34 GMT -5
Since Benintendi is at no worst than the 5th best hitter on the team, let's please start thinking about moving him up in the lineup. He should not be losing RBI opportunities to Sandy Leon. But that's not a rookie's role. Roles are important. Guys have places in the order and coming out of the pen because of tradition and the way the game is played and roles and stuff. Eh, the point is to win games. Some unspoken, outdated, "make sure the rookie knows his place" philosophy is wholly counterproductive if it pushes a guy out of the place where he most helps the team's chances of winning. I get the whole "you have to earn it" gestalt, and there's certainly some benefit. But I would argue that he's earned it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 28, 2016 15:06:18 GMT -5
Mut on WEEI is eviscerating Farrell and Price both - for terrible decision making, and terrible pitching. I'm fairly proud of the fact that I have absolutely no idea who Mut is. One of the main Red Sox review radio voices - Mike Mutnansky. No need to be unnecessarily proud of not knowing! I stream it on the WEEI site - more enjoyable to listen to than Adam Jones on WBZ Radio, to me anyway. As a native New Englander who lives in NC and a Red Sox addict for...geez, nearly 40 years, it is great to continue after the game, her some local ads, and hear someone not afraid to call it like it is contribute to the game analysis. Good way to spend the hour after the game winding down so that I can actually sleep!
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2016 16:35:10 GMT -5
I'm fairly proud of the fact that I have absolutely no idea who Mut is. One of the main Red Sox review radio voices - Mike Mutnansky. No need to be unnecessarily proud of not knowing! I stream it on the WEEI site - more enjoyable to listen to than Adam Jones on WBZ Radio, to me anyway. As a native New Englander who lives in NC and a Red Sox addict for...geez, nearly 40 years, it is great to continue after the game, her some local ads, and hear someone not afraid to call it like it is contribute to the game analysis. Good way to spend the hour after the game winding down so that I can actually sleep! I grew up in NH and VT and now live in Durham, NC.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 28, 2016 16:45:33 GMT -5
Apologies if this stuff has been posted; I've been too aggravated to read the thread.
The bullpen was rested and had a sub 1.00 ERA in September. You have Ziegler, Ross, Tazawa, Scott, and Barnes to get through one or two innings to get to Koji, then Kelly and even Hembree to pitch in long relief until you get a save situation for Kimbrel, if the score remains tied.
But you knew all that.
You had a pitcher with a 3.10 ERA and 3.21 FIP since Bannister entered the dugout who, tonight, had a 6.67 ERA and, more importantly, a 7.37 FIP (with a .333 BABIP.) The last 9 hitters were 5/8, HR, and 3 of the 4 singles were scorched.
With a bullpen that good and rested you can have a vigorous debate over whether the normal Price, with his average 6 6 2 2 1 6 line, should pitch the 7th. Sabermetric wisdom, in fact, says never. Tonight? Not so much of a debate.
There are some MLB managers who would have yanked Price after he gave up 3 hits and a run in the 5th (in a span of 5 pitches!), retiring only Sanchez, and gave up a second-pitch LD single to Castro to lead off the 6th. He has fanned 2 of 21 hitters at this point and given up very hard contact to 4 of his last 7 hitters and solid contact to a 5th. In fact, with this bullpen and a pitcher without Price's reputation on the mound, that's an essentially universal move. After this point? 4/6, 2 HR.
Blaming Price for not pitching well is unfair; it's expecting him to be great every single start, which so something not even Pedro could do (recall opening day 2002). Even a guy as good as Price is going to struggle every so often, maybe once per 6 starts. It's the manager's job to limit the damage on those nights.
There's a reason why JF was a distant last in my metric that measured a manager's ability to properly handle struggling pitchers.
It's like all the stupid he had avoided for three or four weeks hung out together in his brain and popped up at once.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 28, 2016 17:01:20 GMT -5
Xander in his last 10 games is .297 / .409 / .514 (44 PA) while the team has averaged only 4.8 RS/G.
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Post by p23w on Sept 28, 2016 17:14:59 GMT -5
I'm going to tonights game, my first Red Sox game not at Fenway Park. My friends have advised that I DONT wear my Red Sox hat and jersey, out of fear of oppressive Yankee fans. That really doesn't bother me though. Should I be concerned at all? Been in one knock down drag out fight at YS. Had my car smeared with feces (had MA. tags). Depends on how you feel. Wear your gear at your own risk, the Bronx is still the Bronx.
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 28, 2016 17:20:25 GMT -5
I'm going to tonights game, my first Red Sox game not at Fenway Park. My friends have advised that I DONT wear my Red Sox hat and jersey, out of fear of oppressive Yankee fans. That really doesn't bother me though. Should I be concerned at all? Wear the colors man. I've worn my Red Sox gear at several away ballparks. Got some grief and beer tossed on me once. Laugh it off and root for your team. I wore my sox gear in a NY bar. They were tough but I laughed with them. I'm still alive, though old and wavering.
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