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Post by Guidas on Dec 12, 2016 11:17:13 GMT -5
I'm expecting both Buchholz and Elias (no options) to be traded when baseball in general gets to the point that DD is holding 2 of the few obtainable starting pitcher cards left. The price will rise. I'm expecting the Sox to sign some AAA depth at outfield and starting pitcher. The annual ritual kind of thing, the O'Sullival/LaMarres of the world. It should also be noted that baring other moves, if Buchholz is traded, we would now have room under the cap for either Craig or Castillo. The door for them will open a sliver. Craig has less value to an MLB team than Ryan Howard, which is that little number just to the right of zero.
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Post by mattpicard on Dec 12, 2016 13:37:34 GMT -5
I'm expecting both Buchholz and Elias (no options) to be traded when baseball in general gets to the point that DD is holding 2 of the few obtainable starting pitcher cards left. The price will rise. I'm expecting the Sox to sign some AAA depth at outfield and starting pitcher. The annual ritual kind of thing, the O'Sullival/LaMarres of the world. It should also be noted that baring other moves, if Buchholz is traded, we would now have room under the cap for either Craig or Castillo. The door for them will open a sliver. Craig has less value to an MLB team than Ryan Howard, which is that little number just to the right of zero. Yeah, Craig is toast unless he explodes at Pawtucket, including getting his XBH power back. The chances of that seem quite slim, to say the least. The old Allen Craig would be a pretty nice DH/1B option to have on this team. Not sure Rusney is a guy anyone should be looking to see back up either, even if the luxury tax hit was a non-issue. I'm not sure he'd even be too useful vs lefties these days, and barring injury, we have three stud outfielders who are going to play everyday, and two guys guaranteed to make the roster in Young and Holt who can play out there when they need a day.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 12, 2016 14:08:08 GMT -5
Personally I hope the Sox don't rush Carson Smith back until after the all-star break. That would be 13 months for his timetable after TJ surgery.
I expect Workman to be optioned for the last final year here to see if he can rebuild any value whatsoever.
One thing that might lead us to believe that the Sox might not do until the end of spring training is trade any any pitching with Eduardo Rodriguez participating in world baseball classic this spring. I just hope he comes out fine after that dumb tournament.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 12, 2016 14:20:09 GMT -5
Allen Craig has an .081 Isolated slugging in 418 at-bats with Pawtucket over parts of two seasons. Never mind his salary, strictly on performance he'd be behind Jantzen Witte on the depth chart right now. And it's not like there are scouts watching him and saying "I know his numbers have plummeted, but he's still showing something." He's nowhere close to a major leaguer.
Rusney Castillo is a slightly different situation. He's a fourth outfielder paid as a first-division starter. If there was an injury situation the team would have to think hard about the cap penalties involved, because he is likely to outplay Brentz or Sturgeon, but at a very significant cost.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 12, 2016 14:57:26 GMT -5
Bautista on a 2 year deal would have been interesting. Losing a draft pick for him? Ehhhhh.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 12, 2016 16:43:16 GMT -5
Bautista on a 2 year deal would have been interesting. Losing a draft pick for him? Ehhhhh. I don't really like optimizing for the short term, but the Red Sox are already so committed to that strategy that worrying about draft picks seems silly at this point.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 12, 2016 21:37:28 GMT -5
DD set the bar for Buchholz when he asked the Marlins for Luis Castillo and for the Marlins to pick up Clay's entire salary. This past season, Castillo shot up the radar, is 23, will likely start at AA and was the off-season Marlins BA ranking #2 prospect.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2016 22:27:51 GMT -5
Bautista on a 2 year deal would have been interesting. Losing a draft pick for him? Ehhhhh. It would suck to lose a pick, but a 2 year deal might have been a good gamble.
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 12, 2016 22:54:13 GMT -5
Bautista on a 2 year deal would have been interesting. Losing a draft pick for him? Ehhhhh. It would suck to lose a pick, but a 2 year deal might have been a good gamble. Agreed. I think Bautista will bounce back. Maybe not in a huge way, but enough that he would have been a solid substitute for Ortiz. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he puts up 2 more years of 3-4 WAR.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 13, 2016 2:42:01 GMT -5
I mean, don't get me wrong, I could live with Jose on a 2-year deal. I also get the fact that the pick is currently of little importance due to the fact that the FO has basically deemed as "all in" with the moves they've made. If we didn't have Clay ($13.5M) and Moreland ($5.5M) we could have made a good offer. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed.
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Post by beelhay on Dec 13, 2016 2:55:21 GMT -5
RS should sign wel castillo, ziegler and EE.
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Post by beelhay on Dec 13, 2016 3:07:55 GMT -5
or Joey Bats... 😀
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 13, 2016 5:46:58 GMT -5
Somebody would love this....
Forsyth: How do you compare Devers and Moncada? Essentially, Devers trading speed for more power? Who do you like more going forward? Klaw: I’ve always had Devers higher – better hit tool, more power, actually a better 3b although you never seem to hear that.
Forsyth: Given that the Red Sox have a great young core at the MLB level, is there more justification to sending over Moncada and Kopech to the ChiSox for Sale? Fundamentally speaking, where do you draw the line between giving your young core the best chance to win for the next 3 years vs retaining your kids for the future? Klaw: The Red Sox have a great young core and still have Devers and Groome, so Moncada and Kopech came from strength – and both guys they traded are still fairly high risk. I could see a 30% chance that Moncada busts because he never cuts the strikeout rate enough. There’s probably about that chance, maybe 40%, that Kopech’s a reliever, even though my gut says he’s a high-end starter. So, I get it, and if Sale doesn’t break down it’s going to work out fine, but I also fully understand why some Red Sox fans are flipping out over all the prospects DD has dealt.
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Post by soxjim on Dec 13, 2016 8:20:00 GMT -5
Not a fan of JoeyB anymore. Glad sox passed on him and glad sox passed on long term EE.
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Post by bheelay on Dec 13, 2016 9:02:42 GMT -5
i think RS need an impact bat and joey bats fit that description
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 13, 2016 9:15:41 GMT -5
Personally I hope the Sox don't rush Carson Smith back until after the all-star break. That would be 13 months for his timetable after TJ surgery. I expect Workman to be optioned for the last final year here to see if he can rebuild any value whatsoever. One thing that might lead us to believe that the Sox might not do until the end of spring training is trade any any pitching with Eduardo Rodriguez participating in world baseball classic this spring. I just hope he comes out fine after that dumb tournament. You are off a month, 13 is late June the ASB is mid July. They have no reason to rush him back, they are in it to win the WS not a division title which the latest vegas odds had the Sox winning by 11 games.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 13, 2016 10:18:58 GMT -5
Personally I hope the Sox don't rush Carson Smith back until after the all-star break. That would be 13 months for his timetable after TJ surgery. I expect Workman to be optioned for the last final year here to see if he can rebuild any value whatsoever. One thing that might lead us to believe that the Sox might not do until the end of spring training is trade any any pitching with Eduardo Rodriguez participating in world baseball classic this spring. I just hope he comes out fine after that dumb tournament. I'm not 100% sure that ERod will be playing in the WBC. He had committed but then said he wouldn't play if Vizquel wasn't managing. That problem was resolved but since then, no mention of him in any VWBC news. They're roster hasn't been released yet. www.worldbaseballclassic.com/news/article/210346694/
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Post by Coreno on Dec 13, 2016 10:56:22 GMT -5
Personally I hope the Sox don't rush Carson Smith back until after the all-star break. That would be 13 months for his timetable after TJ surgery. I expect Workman to be optioned for the last final year here to see if he can rebuild any value whatsoever. One thing that might lead us to believe that the Sox might not do until the end of spring training is trade any any pitching with Eduardo Rodriguez participating in world baseball classic this spring. I just hope he comes out fine after that dumb tournament. You are off a month, 13 is late June the ASB is mid July. They have no reason to rush him back, they are in it to win the WS not a division title which the latest vegas odds had the Sox winning by 11 games. Yeah, the procedure was done on May 24th, so ASB would be just shy of 14 months. I hope that's about what they're aiming for, but this BP should be good enough to withstand a slight setback if he needs longer.
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Post by greekgodofpancakes on Dec 13, 2016 10:59:07 GMT -5
Minor league depth move w/ Matt Dominguez:
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Post by nomar on Dec 13, 2016 11:00:26 GMT -5
Didn't want to quote the long post on Devers, but one of my off-season hopes is that he comes back looking cut and more mature, rather than the doughy teen we've seen since he signed. It's mainly genetics in play, but I get the feeling that in one of these next couple years, he's going to come out looking like a beast.
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Post by Costigan on Dec 13, 2016 11:06:10 GMT -5
Minor league depth move w/ Matt Dominguez: Kudos to whoever does the projected roster.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 13, 2016 11:23:11 GMT -5
Dominguez is a solid org/depth move. Sadly, he's also one of those first round draft guys (12th overall) who was highly projectable as an above average MLB 3rd baseman with pop and good athleticism for the position. Also yet another object lesson about "can't miss" draft choices or projecting guys from A/AA/ or even AAA to be your MLB starter 1-2 years from now.
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Post by nomar on Dec 13, 2016 11:43:09 GMT -5
Finally we have our JD Martinez. Ex Astro with pop for Dombrowski to mutate.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 13, 2016 12:13:03 GMT -5
Finally we have our JD Martinez. Ex Astro with pop for Dombrowski to mutate. I just don't see it. Matt Dominguez just isn't a good hitter. Outside of his age 18 season in A ball his minor league numbers are bad and what he's done in majors goes with his minor league numbers. JD Martinez had great minor league numbers, he was just like Bradley though it just took him time to adjust. For me this is just a depth signing, really hope he doesn't have to play.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 13, 2016 12:43:02 GMT -5
From day 1, Dominguez was considered a glove first 3Bman, not sure why that didn't seem to pan out but that's life.
As a minor league signing (and not on the 40 man), pretty much the only shot he'd have at seeing Boston would be a long injury to Pablo. Hernandez and Marrero would be called up before he got a call.
It's a solid signing for the Sox. Nothing lost buying an insurance plan for Sandoval.
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