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Post by artfuldodger on Dec 15, 2017 14:06:33 GMT -5
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Post by kenster on Dec 15, 2017 14:28:25 GMT -5
I’d like to hear from our ardent Dombrowski supporters how this Santana deal affects the alleged pursuit(s) of Martinez and/or Hosmer.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 15, 2017 14:39:31 GMT -5
I’d like to hear from our ardent Dombrowski supporters how this Santana deal affects the alleged pursuit(s) of Martinez and/or Hosmer. Can you ask your question in a different way? 'Cause I'm not sure I know what you're getting at...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 15, 2017 14:47:12 GMT -5
Actually, I'd request you not post the same thing in multiple threads (and suggest that the snark is unnecessary).
There's Santana to the Phils talk already in another thread, so let's keep discussion there.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 15, 2017 14:57:27 GMT -5
I see the Angels have signed Zach Cozart to a 3 year $38 million contract to play 3B. Two things here. One, this seems to be a great value for Cozart in todays free agent market.
Two, the Angels have definitely made a point to build around Trout and make a legit attempt to win a championship.
They have resigned Upton, added Kinsler and Cozart to go with Simmons to make a solid defensive infield and added Ohtani at least for this year for very little cap space.
If they can square away the pitching staff they could have a very good year.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 15, 2017 17:28:25 GMT -5
I see the Angels have signed Zach Cozart to a 3 year $38 million contract to play 3B. Two things here. One, this seems to be a great value for Cozart in todays free agent market. Two, the Angels have definitely made a point to build around Trout and make a legit attempt to win a championship. They have resigned Upton, added Kinsler and Cozart to go with Simmons to make a solid defensive infield and added Ohtani at least for this year for very little cap space. If they can square away the pitching staff they could have a very good year. Another point I had to make. What the hell were the Reds doing not offering Cosart a qualifying offer? There's no way he would have taken it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 15, 2017 17:30:38 GMT -5
I see the Angels have signed Zach Cozart to a 3 year $38 million contract to play 3B. Two things here. One, this seems to be a great value for Cozart in todays free agent market. Two, the Angels have definitely made a point to build around Trout and make a legit attempt to win a championship. They have resigned Upton, added Kinsler and Cozart to go with Simmons to make a solid defensive infield and added Ohtani at least for this year for very little cap space. If they can square away the pitching staff they could have a very good year. Thought the same when they signed Cozart. You can also add to your list acquiring Johnson for the bullpen.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 16, 2017 14:27:38 GMT -5
I see the Angels have signed Zach Cozart to a 3 year $38 million contract to play 3B. Two things here. One, this seems to be a great value for Cozart in todays free agent market. Two, the Angels have definitely made a point to build around Trout and make a legit attempt to win a championship. They have resigned Upton, added Kinsler and Cozart to go with Simmons to make a solid defensive infield and added Ohtani at least for this year for very little cap space. If they can square away the pitching staff they could have a very good year. Thought the same when they signed Cozart. You can also add to your list acquiring Johnson for the bullpen. And they can still upgrade 1B by signing someone like Duda or even Morrison.
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Post by kman22 on Dec 16, 2017 14:46:01 GMT -5
Wow, so AGon can finally return?
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Post by rookie13 on Dec 16, 2017 14:47:26 GMT -5
Just announced: #Dodgers get Matt Kemp from #Braves for Adrian Gonzalez, Scott Kazmir, Brandon McCarthy, Charlie Culberson and cash.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 16, 2017 14:49:08 GMT -5
Gonzalez to be DFA'd by the Braves. Adds another available 1B to the mix
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Post by jdb on Dec 16, 2017 14:51:17 GMT -5
So LAD resets their tax. Nice move.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2017 15:10:23 GMT -5
So LAD resets their tax. Nice move. I would be shocked if this move was for them to try and stay below the 197 tax line. More like clearing money to resign Darvish or make another move.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2017 15:21:20 GMT -5
So LAD resets their tax. Nice move. How can anyone know this without knowing the amount of cash included? I bet the Dodgers are paying about 90% of those contracts.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2017 15:55:07 GMT -5
So LAD resets their tax. Nice move. How can anyone know this without knowing the amount of cash included? I bet the Dodgers are paying about 90% of those contracts. This looks like the Braves wanting two Veteran pitchers on one year deals and getting rid of Kemps money in 2019. I would guess the money involved is way lower than you think. The Dodgers are taking on Salary for 2019 with Kemp. I wouldn't be shocked if very little money was involved. Just the Dodgers creating room under the debt structure rule, so they can spend this year.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 16, 2017 18:39:20 GMT -5
So LAD resets their tax. Nice move. How can anyone know this without knowing the amount of cash included? I bet the Dodgers are paying about 90% of those contracts. No money included either way. It might be the greatest salary dump trade in MLB history. Dodgers get Kemp, owed $43.5M over two years (which is key to the Dodgers) and projected at 0.0 WAR. Braves get Gonzalez and Kazmir, owed $40.0M. They're projected at 0.4 WAR, but that's a wild guess for Kazmir's value since he missed all of 2017 with hip issues. In return for taking on more money, Braves not only give away a lottery ticket in Kazmir, but send Brandon McCarthy with a 1.8 projection and a somewhat cheap 1/$11.5M price tag, and throw in a replacement level utility guy in Culberson. Dodgers still have a lot of SP depth. The trade reduces their taxable AAV by $30M exactly, and gets them under the limit for a reset. They now have about $26M to spend on a free agents (they probably want to add set-up relief) and at the deadline. That figure was $14M if they had kept McCarthy, too little to add anyone of note this winter and still retain trade deadline flexibility.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 16, 2017 22:42:09 GMT -5
Everything I keep seeing is that money is going to the Braves. Not sure where you got no money was involved.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 17, 2017 2:48:31 GMT -5
Everything I keep seeing is that money is going to the Braves. Not sure where you got no money was involved. It wasn't mentioned in the early reports. The Dodgers are reportedly sending $4M (i.e., enough cash to equalize the payouts), which on the surface doesn't make much sense, given that a year of McCarthy is worth more than the $8M extra they would be paying without it. The deal amounts to, we'll give you Brandon McCarthy and his projected $14.4M of value for nothing, if you'll do this swap of otherwise worthless one-year contracts for a worthless two year contract, the money offsetting exactly. And, oh, one of the worthless guys (Kazmir) you're getting may surprise you and be valuable. And we'll toss in a nice replacement-level utility guy, too. This certainly suggests that the Braves knew the Dodgers had to do this. Getting under the limit this year reduces the Dodgers' minimum tax rate for next year from 50% to 20%. Just like the Yankees. We reset our tax a year too early if we planned to spend big in 2018, which is consistent with targeting both Hosmer and JDM this year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 17, 2017 15:12:22 GMT -5
I see the number as 4.5 million per Sportrac. Eric where are you getting your numbers? Per Sportrac they are at 155 without arbitration and minor league players, add in medical benefits its like 168 million. I have them right around the tax line. Where are you getting they have 26 million to spend? If they are resetting the tax they need to dump more salary. I would peg players like Grandal and Wood to be around 8 million each after the seasons they had.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2017 11:58:42 GMT -5
Most obvious blog post ever on mlbtraderumors.com:
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Post by kman22 on Dec 19, 2017 13:20:56 GMT -5
Most obvious blog post ever on mlbtraderumors.com: *patiently waiting for the "Kemp for Hanley" post*
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 19, 2017 20:08:37 GMT -5
Most obvious blog post ever on mlbtraderumors.com: Just about as much interest as the Braves got for Adrian Gonzalez before they cut him, which will most likely be the same end result for Kemp
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 19, 2017 23:04:19 GMT -5
Most obvious blog post ever on mlbtraderumors.com: *patiently waiting for the "Kemp for Hanley" post* Get it done. Throw in Eduardo Rodriguez if you have to.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 20, 2017 11:03:43 GMT -5
Per Rosenthal, Zach Britton ruptured his achilles working out and will be out a minimum of 4-6 months.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 20, 2017 11:08:06 GMT -5
Per Rosenthal, Zach Britton ruptured his achilles working out and will be out a minimum of 4-6 months. The universe is trying to tell you something, Baltimore, and that thing is "SELL EVERYONE".
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