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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 20, 2017 11:44:08 GMT -5
Evan Longoria traded to the Giants, per Marc Topkin.
Passan reporting that the return is Christian Arroyo, Denard Span, Matt Krook, and Stephen Woods.
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Post by radiohix on Dec 20, 2017 11:59:18 GMT -5
Evan Longoria traded to the Giants, per Marc Topkin. Passan reporting that the return is Christian Arroyo, Denard Span, Matt Krook, and Stephen Woods. Happy to see him go lol He's not as good as he used to be but he still scares me when we play the Rays.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 20, 2017 12:15:50 GMT -5
Per Rosenthal, Zach Britton ruptured his achilles working out and will be out a minimum of 4-6 months. The universe is trying to tell you something, Baltimore, and that thing is "SELL EVERYONE". It will be interesting to see how the Machado situation plays out. As of now Baltimore seems to think that none of the offers are of a good enough quality to part with him and will take him off the market in the next few days if no one ups their offer. They seem to not truly understand the discrepancy in value of one season of control vs the level of player/prospect value they want in return. Will this discrepancy cause them to end up with even less than they currently could get. Imaging if they traded Britton and Machado in the summer of 2016 or the 2017 offseason. There rebuild would be well on its way considering what top relievers were getting teams. Just ask NY.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 20, 2017 12:46:25 GMT -5
Zach Britton had a really terrible season last year with a K-BB% of 6.8%, down from a high of 25.7% in 2015. He was probably worse than all of the regular Red Sox relief pitchers last year, including Joe Kelly, Matt Barnes and Heath Hembree. I'm sure some team would have taken a flyer on him in hopes of a rebound, but I really doubt the Orioles were going to get anything significant for him even if he wasn't hurt.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 20, 2017 13:11:12 GMT -5
Zach Britton had a really terrible season last year with a K-BB% of 6.8%, down from a high of 25.7% in 2015. He was probably worse than all of the regular Red Sox relief pitchers last year, including Joe Kelly, Matt Barnes and Heath Hembree. I'm sure some team would have taken a flyer on him in hopes of a rebound, but I really doubt the Orioles were going to get anything significant for him even if he wasn't hurt. He also missed 2 1/2 months due to injury, essentially, which is more significant than any statistical data point, imo. Pretty sure many teams would've given him a mulligan for that. Maybe they wouldn't have gotten what they would've gotten for him after he finished fourth in the Cy Young voting the year before, but there was a clear reason why he wasn't as good.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 20, 2017 14:40:59 GMT -5
Zach Britton had a really terrible season last year with a K-BB% of 6.8%, down from a high of 25.7% in 2015. He was probably worse than all of the regular Red Sox relief pitchers last year, including Joe Kelly, Matt Barnes and Heath Hembree. I'm sure some team would have taken a flyer on him in hopes of a rebound, but I really doubt the Orioles were going to get anything significant for him even if he wasn't hurt. Thats why I specifically noted the mid 2016 season. I meant the previous off season which I guess would have been the 2016 off season. Sorry for the confusion. Hence the ask NY note in regards to Chapman or Miller. You know when everyone else outside of Baltimore was saying they should sell and rebuild because of the value they had in a few key pieces that could replenish there below average farm system rapidly.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 20, 2017 19:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 20, 2017 21:37:41 GMT -5
Manfred went on Dan Lebatard. Lebatard grilled him. Manfred fell on the sword For the Marlins. More I think about that sale the more ridiulous it gets. if i had my way i would boycott all major league baseball games for a day. all the owners are complicit in this theft of taxpayer money and goodwill. no way that franchise Is worth $1.2 billion w/o that stadium. They all reaped the windfall from that sale price.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 20, 2017 21:51:22 GMT -5
@bnightengale The Cleveland #Indians have found a first baseman: Yonder Alonso has agreed to deal with Cleveland 9:36 PM · Dec 20, 2017
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 20, 2017 22:04:09 GMT -5
According to Rosenthal it's a 2 yr 16 mill deal with vesting option for a 3rd yr. Hosmer better jump on a deal soon with all these other teams filling their 1B needs.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 20, 2017 22:14:37 GMT -5
Whatever deity you believe in, thank him tonight that the Red Sox share a division with the Orioles.
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Post by Coreno on Dec 20, 2017 23:39:38 GMT -5
Moreland deal looks even better after the Alonso deal.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 20, 2017 23:47:50 GMT -5
Moreland deal looks even better after the Alonso deal. I disagree pretty strongly.
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Post by Coreno on Dec 21, 2017 0:21:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm gonna say I would much rather be paying less for the guy that didn't just have his first double digit homer season while playing a pretty bad 1B.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 21, 2017 7:46:16 GMT -5
Someone made a good point on MLB network radio yesterday about the Giants and it was that mostly their whole roster is 30 or older and they're all under contract for a long-time. That'll get even more dramatic when they inevitably sign Jay Bruce too, who just turned 30.
You think the Red Sox window to win now is bad?
The Giants are already old and only have Bumgardner for 2 more years. At least the Sox could easily spend their money in the right places and quickly recover in some sort of soft rebuild. The Giants, they are stuck if they don't win soon. Not to mention the fact that they look way behind in terms of talent when compared to the rest of their division. Colorado might be a coin flip in terms of talent, but Arizona is probably better and the Dodgers are definitely better.
At least they got the number 2 pick in the draft coming, I suppose.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 21, 2017 8:18:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm gonna say I would much rather be paying less for the guy that didn't just have his first double digit homer season while playing a pretty bad 1B. Alonso has a three-year wrc+ of 109, while Moreland has a 100 and is a year older. First double-digit homer season aside, Alonso is more likely to sustain his offensive value if the ball goes back to normal because much more of his offensive value has come from OBP.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 21, 2017 9:14:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm gonna say I would much rather be paying less for the guy that didn't just have his first double digit homer season while playing a pretty bad 1B. Alonso has a three-year wrc+ of 109, while Moreland has a 100 and is a year older. First double-digit homer season aside, Alonso is more likely to sustain his offensive value if the ball goes back to normal because much more of his offensive value has come from OBP. Alonso's wRC+ went from 87 to 132 from 2016 to 2017, mainly from his 100 point ISO boost. The extra power looked like it increased his walk rate, but also doubled his k-rate. Moreland's ISO has been very consistent throughout his career with one down year in 2014.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 21, 2017 9:21:33 GMT -5
So is Moreland consistent, or did the better hitting conditions in 2017 mask a significant decline by a 31-year-old mediocrity who showed other signs of decline as well and produced almost all of his offensive value during a six-week early-season surge?
I have no way of knowing, but when in doubt I always bet on OBP, and Alonso has had higher OBPs.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 21, 2017 11:11:41 GMT -5
Manfred went on Dan Lebatard. Lebatard grilled him. Manfred fell on the sword For the Marlins. More I think about that sale the more ridiulous it gets. if i had my way i would boycott all major league baseball games for a day. all the owners are complicit in this theft of taxpayer money and goodwill. no way that franchise Is worth $1.2 billion w/o that stadium. They all reaped the windfall from that sale price. This is a must listen. Manfred gets absolutely demolished. www.facebook.com/thedanlebatardshowwithstugotz/videos/2077073229197037/Would love to hear a Goodell interview like this one.
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Post by cyaz8 on Dec 21, 2017 12:34:32 GMT -5
Mr Manfred is secret Yankees fan & he allows DJ to abuse Marlins same way as Jeff Loria (he's Yankees fan, too) did for over the years. DJ look forward to collect penalty luxury taxes in upcoming yearly from other teams to cover up the DEBT by purchase the team with the principal owner Bruce Sherman and his group.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 21, 2017 13:44:02 GMT -5
So is Moreland consistent, or did the better hitting conditions in 2017 mask a significant decline by a 31-year-old mediocrity who showed other signs of decline as well and produced almost all of his offensive value during a six-week early-season surge? I have no way of knowing, but when in doubt I always bet on OBP, and Alonso has had higher OBPs. I am willing to give the guy a pass. I thought he really took one for the team last year playing through what was probably a bit of pain. I've had a bad toe that wouldn't heal and it took me down for a while. You may be right but I'd like to see at least a month or two of his numbers before declaring that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2017 13:49:40 GMT -5
So is Moreland consistent, or did the better hitting conditions in 2017 mask a significant decline by a 31-year-old mediocrity who showed other signs of decline as well and produced almost all of his offensive value during a six-week early-season surge? I have no way of knowing, but when in doubt I always bet on OBP, and Alonso has had higher OBPs. I am willing to give the guy a pass. I thought he really took one for the team last year playing through what was probably a bit of pain. I've had a bad toe that wouldn't heal and it took me down for a while. You may be right but I'd like to see at least a month or two of his numbers before declaring that. It was obvious that his bad toe was hampering him just like it was obvious that Xander's finger was messing up his season. Hanley's shoulders had a big impact on his numbers and JBJ was apparently playing through something. Players playing thru injuries isn't an earth shattering thing, but didn't last year feel like the Red Sox neglected to step in and properly DL players when it was kind of obvious that they needed to be? Xander and Moreland should definitely have been on the DL at some point. I would think that the Sox would have been better off even with Marrero at SS and Travis at 1b. And watching Nunez collapse twice after being told he should be good to go didn't exactly inspire confidence in the medical advice or whatever it was that should have decided to keep those players off the field when they shouldn't have been on it. I think that was one of the underreported stories of last season and I hope it doesn't become an issue again this year. Yes, players play thru nagging injuries all of the time, but I think with Moreland and Xander it was a bit more extreme than that.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 21, 2017 13:58:52 GMT -5
Manfred went on Dan Lebatard. Lebatard grilled him. Manfred fell on the sword For the Marlins. More I think about that sale the more ridiulous it gets. if i had my way i would boycott all major league baseball games for a day. all the owners are complicit in this theft of taxpayer money and goodwill. no way that franchise Is worth $1.2 billion w/o that stadium. They all reaped the windfall from that sale price. This is a must listen. Manfred gets absolutely demolished. www.facebook.com/thedanlebatardshowwithstugotz/videos/2077073229197037/Would love to hear a Goodell interview like this one. To his credit, Manfred does a better job standing in there and taking the beating he deserves than Selig ever did. Selig's propensity to project everything that went wrong and take credit for any positives was excruciating. Probably the biggest reason that, for his flaws, I'm much happier Manfred is in charge.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 21, 2017 16:04:58 GMT -5
So is Moreland consistent, or did the better hitting conditions in 2017 mask a significant decline by a 31-year-old mediocrity who showed other signs of decline as well and produced almost all of his offensive value during a six-week early-season surge? I have no way of knowing, but when in doubt I always bet on OBP, and Alonso has had higher OBPs. I agree, I think people are going to be disappointed if they think his early hot streak is the Moreland we get in 2018. At best the toe injury cut his hot streak short by a little bit. I've broken my toe and it was completely healed in two weeks and felt really good after a week. No more feeling the two bones moving against each other. In 2017 Moreland had the second best offensive season of his career. Expecting more than that sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 21, 2017 16:15:05 GMT -5
So is Moreland consistent, or did the better hitting conditions in 2017 mask a significant decline by a 31-year-old mediocrity who showed other signs of decline as well and produced almost all of his offensive value during a six-week early-season surge? I have no way of knowing, but when in doubt I always bet on OBP, and Alonso has had higher OBPs. I agree, I think people are going to be disappointed if they think his early hot streak is the Moreland we get in 2018. At best the toe injury cut his hot streak short by a little bit. I've broken my toe and it was completely healed in two weeks and felt really good after a week. No more feeling the two bones moving against each other. In 2017 Moreland had the second best offensive season of his career. Expecting more than that sounds like a recipe for disaster. Why even bring that up? Are you saying that every toe injury is the same exact injury? Are we now onto guessing just how much Moreland was hurt and how much pain he was in? And how much your performance playing professional baseball wouldn't suffer from a broken toe compared to Moreland? The Red Sox aren't expecting more from Moreland. He's insurance for Hanley. Between the two of them, there won't be a disaster that there could have been with Hanley as the full time 1B.
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