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2017-18 International Signing Period
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 18:55:07 GMT -5
Checking the Sox prospects transaction column and I see the Sox signed Gamaliel Gonzalez who was a international free agent. The only information that I can find on a Gamaliel Gonzalez was one that pitched a combined no-hitter for the Venezuelan 12u team. Has anyone seen or heard anything about Gonzalez I couldn't find anything You're not going to find information about 90% of the international free agents. Worth googling but be more surprised if you find something than if you don't. Found limited information Gamaliel Gonzalez.He's 16 years old bats left throws right he's 6ft 1in 180lb and as Addam603 posted he is a catcher.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2018 23:14:40 GMT -5
You're not going to find information about 90% of the international free agents. Worth googling but be more surprised if you find something than if you don't. Found limited information Gamaliel Gonzalez.He's 16 years old bats left throws right he's 6ft 1in 180lb and as Addam603 posted he is a catcher. Right. To be clear, I meant there won't be much stuff beyond the vitals like that. Obviously, the stuff that's on MLB.com is out there.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 10, 2018 11:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 13, 2018 22:18:24 GMT -5
This signing is official, plus those of C Oscar Rangel and RHP Robinson Parra.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 16, 2018 4:56:00 GMT -5
Another official signing: 3B Juan Rojas.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 2, 2018 18:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Mar 3, 2018 7:40:51 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Mar 3, 2018 10:51:48 GMT -5
The giant 2017-2018 class continues to grow!
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Post by threeifbaerga on Mar 3, 2018 12:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 22, 2018 4:47:42 GMT -5
Another official signing: 19 year old LHP Isaias Ozoria
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Post by telson13 on Mar 23, 2018 22:27:33 GMT -5
Kiley McDaniel made a good point about signing a bunch of low-$ intl FAs for short money and fielding like 5 DSL teams. Obviously that’s an extreme, but these guys are so young, and more than a few break out and become top-100 prospects with significant excess value (just one player putting up 5-8 WAR in his control years is worth it). With Eddie Romero doing such a great job in Latin America, I’d love to see the Sox really exploit what’s basically a recognized but more or less untapped market inefficiency. Pick up 30 players at an average of just $25-50K for signing bonuses, and add in the cost of operation of another DSL team, and they’d still probably come out way ahead. Bryan Mata just seems like the latest example.
Edit: can’t hurt to hoard arms, either, seeing as how the game is moving towards RP. Stretch as many guys out as you can, hope a few develop feel or velo, turn ‘em into relievers if they’re not SP material. Avoid big $ on FA relievers.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 17, 2018 8:11:22 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 17, 2018 9:17:55 GMT -5
An upcoming Notes from the Field from ST will have notes on some of the signees who are already stateside.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 17, 2018 12:27:55 GMT -5
Good stuff, thanks for linking. I was a little surprised to hear that the majority of the SS types were more offensive-minded than defensive types. I'm very excited for the debut of Danny Diaz. If Antoni Flores shows some bat, consider that a win for the Sox scouting department as his bat hasn't been unanimously praised across sources. Gilberto Jimenez sounds interesting, and I'm always on the lookout for guys to pop up out of relative obscurity.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 9, 2018 16:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 12, 2018 11:02:14 GMT -5
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Post by flybono on May 12, 2018 18:52:47 GMT -5
Is it really worth the money scouting in these area’s? Chances that anyone of these players pitches in Boston is remote.
Spend more time scouting the College game to find more refined players closer to making an impact.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 12, 2018 19:00:22 GMT -5
Is it really worth the money scouting in these area’s? Chances that anyone of these players pitches in Boston is remote. Spend more time scouting the College game to find more refined players closer to making an impact. How did Bogaerts and Devers work out? Margot, Espinoza and others were useful trade chips?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 12, 2018 19:58:08 GMT -5
Is it really worth the money scouting in these area’s? Chances that anyone of these players pitches in Boston is remote. Spend more time scouting the College game to find more refined players closer to making an impact. Peter Angelos, did you just sign up on the Soxprospect message board?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 14, 2018 11:26:38 GMT -5
Is it really worth the money scouting in these area’s? Chances that anyone of these players pitches in Boston is remote. Spend more time scouting the College game to find more refined players closer to making an impact. Peter Angelos, did you just sign up on the Soxprospect message board? Nah, poster who was banned last summer who signed up under a new name but didn't post, so we left him alone. Don't mind the trolls folks. He's banned.
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Post by 1toolplayer on May 14, 2018 12:23:22 GMT -5
Peter Angelos, did you just sign up on the Soxprospect message board? Nah, poster who was banned last summer who signed up under a new name but didn't post, so we left him alone. Don't mind the trolls folks. He's banned. Scaffolds!?
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Post by telson13 on May 14, 2018 13:34:57 GMT -5
Is it really worth the money scouting in these area’s? Chances that anyone of these players pitches in Boston is remote. Spend more time scouting the College game to find more refined players closer to making an impact. It’s actually vastly more cost-effective to sign international talent, especially under-the-radar guys. “Refined college players” are generally scouted by multiple teams and finding a diamond in the rough means you got lucky in the draft, where bonuses are (for non-seniors), routinely greater than $100,000, and often in the $300,000-$800,000 range for an “overslot” bonus to pick up 3rd-7th round talents later in the teens. IFA bonuses are usually much lower, and while the players are younger, and risk is higher, upside is often higher too. Bogey and Devers are big-namers, but Mata was a low-$ sign, and Mariano Rivera (for example) signed for, I think, $40,000? Pedro Martinez was a Dodgers IFA. There are many more examples, but the short of it is that it’s a much more cost-effective market than the draft.
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Post by jmei on May 14, 2018 16:13:26 GMT -5
Is it really worth the money scouting in these area’s? Chances that anyone of these players pitches in Boston is remote. Spend more time scouting the College game to find more refined players closer to making an impact. It’s actually vastly more cost-effective to sign international talent, especially under-the-radar guys. “Refined college players” are generally scouted by multiple teams and finding a diamond in the rough means you got lucky in the draft, where bonuses are (for non-seniors), routinely greater than $100,000, and often in the $300,000-$800,000 range for an “overslot” bonus to pick up 3rd-7th round talents later in the teens. IFA bonuses are usually much lower, and while the players are younger, and risk is higher, upside is often higher too. Bogey and Devers are big-namers, but Mata was a low-$ sign, and Mariano Rivera (for example) signed for, I think, $40,000? Pedro Martinez was a Dodgers IFA. There are many more examples, but the short of it is that it’s a much more cost-effective market than the draft.Is it? Honest question. The popular narrative is that, as compared to the domestic draft, IFA tends to be a higher-risk, higher-reward market where there are more busts but also more high-upside diamonds in the rough. But that's an empirical question that, as far as I know (which is a big caveat; I'm far from being well-informed on sabermetric research these days), hasn't been comprehensively analyzed in the public sphere. There's plenty of $/WAR research on the value of draft picks, but has there been good $/WAR research on the value of IFA dollars? Part of the problem is that both the domestic spending pools and (especially) the IFA spending pools haven't been around long enough to generate a large enough sample of comparative data, and the old regimes basically allowed deep-pocketed teams to spend whatever they liked on both the draft and IFAs, which means the older data may not be as relevant. But it'd still be interesting to see.
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Post by jimed14 on May 14, 2018 16:21:41 GMT -5
Isn't hitting on just one Bogaerts or Devers worth more than all of the international signing dollars spent over the last 10 years? Especially now that the money is capped.
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Post by jmei on May 14, 2018 17:30:17 GMT -5
Isn't hitting on just one Bogaerts or Devers worth more than all of the international signing dollars spent over the last 10 years? Especially now that the money is capped. No one is saying IFA money isn’t valuable (well, except Peter Angelos and the guy who we just re-banned above), but is a dollar of IFA spending more or less valuable than a dollar of draft spending? One Mookie Betts justifies a lot of draft pools as well. Of course, there is no intrinsic tradeoff between the two, and both are now capped (add: though I note that both are also now tradable under certain circumstances), so it’s mostly an academic question, but I don’t think it’s necessarily so clear that IFA money is so much more valuable than draft money.
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