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Post by braziliansox on Apr 17, 2017 12:34:44 GMT -5
I like Ben Taylor here. If you can't macho your way out of this, you probably shouldn't be on the roster. Great logic, its all about being macho, not winning ball games apparently.
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Post by thursty on Apr 17, 2017 12:34:53 GMT -5
Well, who do you recommend? We know Kimbrel is not an option, Barnes might not be available, sure Hembree is probably a better option. But Taylor was an upgrade on Ross there.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 12:36:58 GMT -5
But Taylor was an upgrade on Ross there. Robbie Ross Jr can get RHB out. Was he really a "upgrade" there?
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 17, 2017 12:37:11 GMT -5
I think Farrell more or less played it correctly there; the process was right, the results unfortunately not What are you talking about? It worked beautifully, he gave up 1 run, don't get greedy.
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Post by braziliansox on Apr 17, 2017 12:37:27 GMT -5
Well, who do you recommend? We know Kimbrel is not an option, Barnes might not be available, sure Hembree is probably a better option. But Taylor was an upgrade on Ross there. Just bring your best available pitcher (probably Hembree), its very unlikely a higher leverage spot will happen later.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 17, 2017 12:39:24 GMT -5
Great logic, its all about being macho, not winning ball games apparently. It's about winning ball games in the long run, not playing scared not to lose a game in mid April. Farrell trusts guys to over perform, which leads to undesirable results at times but in the long run it leads to guys who are actually good playing with confidence. I like the approach.
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 12:39:48 GMT -5
Well, who do you recommend? We know Kimbrel is not an option, Barnes might not be available, sure Hembree is probably a better option. But Taylor was an upgrade on Ross there. I'd take Ross over Taylor-- Ross has very mild platoon splits. Even if you disagreed, the right move would be to go to Hembree, with one of the lefties warming after that to face Morrison.
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Post by thursty on Apr 17, 2017 12:40:51 GMT -5
But Taylor was an upgrade on Ross there. Robbie Ross Jr can get RHB out. Was he really a "upgrade" there? not at 92-93 he can't
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 12:42:04 GMT -5
Great logic, its all about being macho, not winning ball games apparently. It's about winning ball games in the long run, not playing scared not to lose a game in mid April. Farrell trusts guys to over perform, which leads to undesirable results at times but in the long run it leads to guys who are actually good playing with confidence. I like the approach. Game 13 matters just as much as game 162 does. Let Taylor face the bottom of the Rays' order in the 8th inning, but use your best relievers in the highest-leverage moments.
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Post by thursty on Apr 17, 2017 12:42:41 GMT -5
As I wrote, yes Hembree (or Barnes) would have been a better option (assuming he's available)
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Post by braziliansox on Apr 17, 2017 12:42:47 GMT -5
Great logic, its all about being macho, not winning ball games apparently. It's about winning ball games in the long run, not playing scared not to lose a game in mid April. Farrell trusts guys to over perform, which leads to undesirable results at times but in the long run it leads to guys who are actually good playing with confidence. I like the approach. There is a lot of evidence the first part is true (undesirable results) and none of the latter. You make a lot of assumptions about this kind of stuff. Didnt you say Maddon would never win a world series just last year?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 12:44:02 GMT -5
Robbie Ross Jr can get RHB out. Was he really a "upgrade" there? not at 92-93 he can't I strongly disagree here.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 17, 2017 12:46:18 GMT -5
There is a lot of evidence the first part is true (undesirable resulta) and none of the latter. You make a lot of assumptions about this kind of stuff. Didnt you say Maddon would never win a world series just last year? He did try his best to lose it, and to be fair I was saying that for years before he lucked out into one with one of the most talented rosters ever. Game 13 matters just as much as game 162 does. Let Taylor face the bottom of the Rays' order in the 8th inning, but use your best relievers in the highest-leverage moments. I know that's more logical, but then again Taylor would never be prepared to face the situation he did if he wasn't used like he was. It probably means nothing, but I like to believe that for a guy like him getting out of the jam he did meant a lot. Since he could be a high-leverage pitcher in the long run, let him get some practice.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 17, 2017 12:47:05 GMT -5
Ross might be the 2nd best (healthy) reliever on this team behind Kimbrel, and for some reason JF seems to hate him. I miss Lovullo. He had him closing games at the end of 2015.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 12:49:27 GMT -5
Lol now Hembree comes in to the game. Farrell is unreal with his thinking sometimes.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 12:51:24 GMT -5
Got to preserve Hembree for that extra out when he hasn't worked in days.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 17, 2017 12:51:38 GMT -5
It's about winning ball games in the long run, not playing scared not to lose a game in mid April. Farrell trusts guys to over perform, which leads to undesirable results at times but in the long run it leads to guys who are actually good playing with confidence. I like the approach. Game 13 matters just as much as game 162 does. Let Taylor face the bottom of the Rays' order in the 8th inning, but use your best relievers in the highest-leverage moments. If this was the difference between Taylor and, say, Barnes, I'd agree. But between Taylor and Hembree? The difference in their current value isn't so great that I'd prefer to evaluate the guy who is more likely be on the roster for awhile.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 17, 2017 12:52:44 GMT -5
So is Joe Kelly gonna close this game out, orrrr...?
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 17, 2017 12:55:18 GMT -5
So is Joe Kelly gonna close this game out, orrrr...? No idea, but he pitched 2 2/3 innings yesterday, though only 28 pitches.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 17, 2017 12:55:30 GMT -5
Okay, Kimbrel is available and warming.
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Post by thursty on Apr 17, 2017 12:56:35 GMT -5
Given Taylor has options left, that would be Hembree
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 17, 2017 12:58:00 GMT -5
I'd be tempted to bring in Scott for Dickerson and Kiermaier.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 12:58:49 GMT -5
Okay, Kimbrel is available and warming. Kimbrel should of been available. This is his job to do. Three days should be the limit for consecutive days to work in a row. The Sox could lose tomorrow or they could blow the other team out. Better for Kimbrel to go in now versus the unknown tomorrow.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 17, 2017 12:59:21 GMT -5
If Fernando Abad isn't even on Farrell's radar with the bullpen so depleted then he should absolutely not be on the team.
Kimbrel's availability today has nothing to do with tomorrow's game and everything to do with October.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 17, 2017 13:00:19 GMT -5
If Fernando Abad isn't even on Farrell's radar with the bullpen so depleted then he should absolutely not be on the team. He has only pitched in games that I had already turned off this year by the time he got into the game. I forgot he was on the team.
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