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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 13:23:58 GMT -5
Game 13 matters just as much as game 162 does. Let Taylor face the bottom of the Rays' order in the 8th inning, but use your best relievers in the highest-leverage moments. If this was the difference between Taylor and, say, Barnes, I'd agree. But between Taylor and Hembree? The difference in their current value isn't so great that I'd prefer to evaluate the guy who is more likely be on the roster for awhile. You're either much higher on Taylor or much lower on Hembree than I am. I think Hembree is both a tier better and a tier more likely to stick on the roster for the long run.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 13:26:11 GMT -5
Does Abad get DFA'D now that Ben Taylor is back on the active roster?
There needs to be a corresponding move with Brian Johnson starting tomorrow.
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 13:27:21 GMT -5
Does Abad get DFA'D now that Ben Taylor is back on the active roster? There needs to be a corresponding move with Brian Johnson starting tomorrow. Putting Rodriguez on the paternity list opens up a 25-man roster spot for Johnson, so no countermove is necessary.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 13:29:35 GMT -5
Does Abad get DFA'D now that Ben Taylor is back on the active roster? There needs to be a corresponding move with Brian Johnson starting tomorrow. Putting Rodriguez on the paternity list opens up a 25-man roster spot for Johnson, so no countermove is necessary. Wasn't Taylor already activated because of Eduardo Rodriguez being on paternity list?
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 13:31:37 GMT -5
Putting Rodriguez on the paternity list opens up a 25-man roster spot for Johnson, so no countermove is necessary. Wasn't Taylor already activated because of Eduardo Rodriguez being on paternity list? Good point-- I forgot about that. They could option Taylor, but I agree that at a certain point, they just need to DFA Abad if Farrell isn't going to use him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 13:33:32 GMT -5
Wasn't Taylor already activated because of Eduardo Rodriguez being on paternity list? Good point-- I forgot about that. They could option Taylor, but I agree that at a certain point, they just need to DFA Abad if Farrell isn't going to use him. I mean that's the move that NEEDS to happen if Farrell can't trust Abad.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 17, 2017 13:36:58 GMT -5
Wasn't Taylor already activated because of Eduardo Rodriguez being on paternity list? Good point-- I forgot about that. They could option Taylor, but I agree that at a certain point, they just need to DFA Abad if Farrell isn't going to use him. I think these or optioning one of Selsky or Marco are the 4 possible options.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 13:40:52 GMT -5
Good point-- I forgot about that. They could option Taylor, but I agree that at a certain point, they just need to DFA Abad if Farrell isn't going to use him. I think these or optioning one of Selsky or Marco are the 4 possible options. Selsky and Hernandez are useful bench pieces. That would be less than ideal. One of those guys (probably Hernandez) should get optioned when JBJ is activated. Just DFA Abad and get it over with. Save a little on the luxury tax potentially with some team maybe claiming him.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 17, 2017 13:51:29 GMT -5
I think these or optioning one of Selsky or Marco are the 4 possible options. Selsky and Hernandez are useful bench pieces. That would be less than ideal. One of those guys (probably Hernandez) should get optioned when JBJ is activated. Just DFA Abad and get it over with. Save a little on the luxury tax potentially with some team maybe claiming him. Yeah but considering the bullpen usage lately, I could see them sending one of them down and keeping the extra pitcher until friday when JBJ is back.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 14:00:10 GMT -5
Selsky and Hernandez are useful bench pieces. That would be less than ideal. One of those guys (probably Hernandez) should get optioned when JBJ is activated. Just DFA Abad and get it over with. Save a little on the luxury tax potentially with some team maybe claiming him. Yeah but considering the bullpen usage lately, I could see them sending one of them down and keeping the extra pitcher until friday when JBJ is back. Okay, fair enough. Who goes when JBJ comes back then?
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 17, 2017 14:07:33 GMT -5
Does Abad get DFA'D now that Ben Taylor is back on the active roster? There needs to be a corresponding move with Brian Johnson starting tomorrow. Taylor reassigned to Pawtucket following Johnson's promotion. Smart move by Farrell, intentionally walking Longoria in the seventh, loading the bases. Goes against normal strategy of putting the go ahead runner on base. But John knew that Longoria could have tied the game or taken the lead with one swing. He doesn't often get the credit he deserves for in-game management.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2017 14:15:30 GMT -5
So dumb. The Sox are literally throwing away roster spots right now.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 17, 2017 14:53:30 GMT -5
On the matter of Ben Taylor: while it's certainly true that a win is a win is a win, in April or September, it's not quite accurate to say that all games are equal. The risk function for a season depends on both the number of games the team is up or down with respect to their competitors, and the number of games remaining. There's a hell of a lot more risk if you're one game up on September 29th, than one game down on April 17th. We should all be able to agree about that.
So let's leave that risk function aside for a second, and talk talent. The Sox can't possibly find out what Taylor is or how he reacts to men on base in tight games without giving him a chance to try pitching with men on base in a tight game. They did and they got a small sample that should start to give them a better feeling for that. That is the way players make their bones, unless someone decides that they never, ever should be extended at any time for any reason... which makes zero sense to me.
And yes, April is better than September. And yes, I like Taylor because he isn't afraid to throw strikes, and he seems to have the stuff to do it.
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Post by m1keyboots on Apr 17, 2017 15:22:15 GMT -5
Well so much for second guessing Farrell every chance we get. From the Kiermaier steal, to using Kimbrel three days in a row to starting Panda, we're 8-5.
That being said this could be a good chance for Brian Johnson to show some trade worth and thank god for the Mitch Moreland signing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 15:28:05 GMT -5
It's too bad this team is terrible on the road or we'd be in first place. Farrell better start implementing an earlier curfew and making guy's share cabs. Or Better yet get a team bus. This isn't good need to turn this around
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 17, 2017 15:59:11 GMT -5
It's too bad this team is terrible on the road or we'd be in first place. Four games in and you've come to that conclusion. With 1/3 of the team sick with the flu. Good grief.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 17, 2017 16:07:21 GMT -5
Yeah but considering the bullpen usage lately, I could see them sending one of them down and keeping the extra pitcher until friday when JBJ is back. Okay, fair enough. Who goes when JBJ comes back then? The healthy bench for this roster is Holt, Young, Vazquez and Rutledge (more than likely). They could change that, but it's unlikely this early in the season since none of those guys have options. They'll preserve depth.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 16:27:47 GMT -5
It's too bad this team is terrible on the road or we'd be in first place. Four games in and you've come to that conclusion. With 1/3 of the team sick with the flu. Good grief. lol I figured I'd get at least one or two who couldn't picked up the sarcasm no matter how thick I laid it on.... if the curfew wasn't enough, I figured the shared cab or bus might be but alas... always a few
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 17, 2017 16:44:59 GMT -5
It's too bad this team is terrible on the road or we'd be in first place. Farrell better start implementing an earlier curfew and making guy's share cabs. Or Better yet get a team bus. This isn't good need to turn this around You need to step off the small sample-size bus, or else this is some sort of bizarre trolling. Coming to you from the great Northwest
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 16:52:17 GMT -5
It's too bad this team is terrible on the road or we'd be in first place. Farrell better start implementing an earlier curfew and making guy's share cabs. Or Better yet get a team bus. This isn't good need to turn this around You need to step off the small sample-size bus, or else this is some sort of bizarre trolling. Coming to you from the great Northwest Oh Norman, it was a joke
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 16:57:30 GMT -5
On the matter of Ben Taylor: while it's certainly true that a win is a win is a win, in April or September, it's not quite accurate to say that all games are equal. The risk function for a season depends on both the number of games the team is up or down with respect to their competitors, and the number of games remaining. There's a hell of a lot more risk if you're one game up on September 29th, than one game down on April 17th. We should all be able to agree about that. So let's leave that risk risk function aside for a second, and talk talent. The Sox can't possibly find out what Taylor is or how he reacts to men on base in tight games without giving him a chance to try pitching with men on base in a tight game. They did and they got a small sample that should start to give them a better feeling for that. That is the way players make their bones, unless someone decides that they never, ever should be extended at any time for any reason... which makes zero sense to me. And yes, April is better than September. And yes, I like Taylor because he isn't afraid to throw strikes, and he seems to have the stuff to do it. Honest question: do you think it takes a special skill to pitch in tight games or with men on base, and the only way to evaluate or to develop that skill is to make guys pitch in those situations in the major leagues?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 17:01:40 GMT -5
Is mindset a skill? It definitely takes a certain mindset to be able to handle the pressure. This notion that all professional athletes or even most of them have been dealing with pressure their entires lives so they are all the same in this regard is shortsighted.
So going back to the situation. The more you are in a situation the more you are used to it so getting familiarity with it is useful.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 17, 2017 17:22:21 GMT -5
On the matter of Ben Taylor: while it's certainly true that a win is a win is a win, in April or September, it's not quite accurate to say that all games are equal. The risk function for a season depends on both the number of games the team is up or down with respect to their competitors, and the number of games remaining. There's a hell of a lot more risk if you're one game up on September 29th, than one game down on April 17th. We should all be able to agree about that. So let's leave that risk risk function aside for a second, and talk talent. The Sox can't possibly find out what Taylor is or how he reacts to men on base in tight games without giving him a chance to try pitching with men on base in a tight game. They did and they got a small sample that should start to give them a better feeling for that. That is the way players make their bones, unless someone decides that they never, ever should be extended at any time for any reason... which makes zero sense to me. And yes, April is better than September. And yes, I like Taylor because he isn't afraid to throw strikes, and he seems to have the stuff to do it. Honest question: do you think it takes a special skill to pitch in tight games or with men on base, and the only way to evaluate or to develop that skill is to make guys pitch in those situations in the major leagues? Nope, so I'm glad they let him pitch in them. Low risk. Add: That was said for those who do believe there is something to that. John Farrell may be one of those people, though he's probably not listening.
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Post by jmei on Apr 17, 2017 18:07:28 GMT -5
Is mindset a skill? It definitely takes a certain mindset to be able to handle the pressure. This notion that all professional athletes or even most of them have been dealing with pressure their entires lives so they are all the same in this regard is shortsighted. So going back to the situation. The more you are in a situation the more you are used to it so getting familiarity with it is useful. "Performing in high-pressure situations" is one of those skills that being a professional athlete selects for. By the point they reach the majors, the vast majority of players are clustered around a narrow band. Even if that is a skill that a team can and wants to develop, I think this was a situation where maximizing the odds of winning the game is more important than developing Taylor's pressure mindset. Taylor was never regarded as a closer-in-waiting (his SP.com profile describes him as a "potential...sixth-inning relief option"). Given the likelihood that he never ends up pitching regularly in high-leverage situations, not sure it's critical to give him high-leverage opportunities at the cost of putting a worse pitcher on the mound.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2017 18:08:56 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to say what they should or shouldn't have done with Taylor.
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