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Post by telson13 on Aug 3, 2017 23:28:50 GMT -5
Also, I hope they don't DFA Maddox. He still seems to have a little ways to go, and he's been all FB/CH, but (and the page on here needs updating), he's averaging 96 with the FB. He seems like a sure thing to get R5 scooped.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 4, 2017 0:01:02 GMT -5
Seems like we have Price, Kelly, hopefully Pedey on the cusp of returning. 13 pitchers on the ML team are too many. So Price and Kelly return - three need to depart - Fister, Maddox, Boyer (or Abad) - wonder if Holt could end up being at risk as well...
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Post by RedSoxStats on Aug 4, 2017 0:18:08 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 4, 2017 2:44:44 GMT -5
There's a huge possibility that the Sox could outright Owens off the 40 man roster and he clear waivers completely. What team would claim Owens who has been declining to the point where he is having a hard time getting results in AA? Pittsburgh would claim him, Searage would turn him into a 2 by late 2018, and we'd all be extremely grumpy. I'd give it a 5 percent chance that Owens ever ends up as a number 2 starter. I'd give it a 15 percent chance that Owens sticks as a major league starter. Searage couldn't fix Bard. He isn't a miracle worker. It'd take a miracle to get Owens throwing strikes at this point.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 4, 2017 5:39:34 GMT -5
Agree with most all of what you are saying. You are quite high on brentz. Do not see him next year as the 4th OF. Sox seem to like the idea of the 4th OF being able to play all 3 OF positions. Brentz can only marginally play left. If the sox have a full time Dh, at least next year I see it as Hanley. Otherwise I think they rotate several players in and out to give them all a rest. This year it is possible that they can find a way to get Brentz some at bats , to fill the power bat need. But, not long term. Does not help with the power need, but I can see using Taverz as the 4th OF before Brentz. Looking at the era on Elias causes me to think that he is definitely an option for 60 DL. From what I've seen and from BP's defensive numbers, Brentz is average in LF or a tick above, thanks to a good arm. Nor is there any need for a 4th OFer who can play CF, as Benintendi is already the backup there. Young hasn't played an inning there this year. No one's saying Brentz would be a great 4th OFer. But an OK one who makes MLB minimum has some real value on a team bumping is head on the tax limit. If there's a major injury to one of the starters, you can trade for someone. I can buy what you are saying. Does he come up before sept 1?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 4, 2017 22:36:11 GMT -5
Heard tonight that Kelly is ready to come back, which will send Maddox down. Still seems like 13 pitchers is a lot.
Pedey should be back soon, Hanley may go to the DL - wonder if they can get Travis back up - or just use Nunez for DH....
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 4, 2017 23:17:00 GMT -5
Heard tonight that Kelly is ready to come back, which will send Maddox down. Still seems like 13 pitchers is a lot. Pedey should be back soon, Hanley may go to the DL - wonder if they can get Travis back up - or just use Nunez for DH.... Edit: yeah, I watched the whole game and some of the post-game and I recall no one mentioning that Hanley seemed to be limping. If he is DL'd, that just puts off the roster crunch I outlined, for another 10 days. And Travis would probably come up for 3 games until Pedey returns.
Why would Hanley go on the DL? He had the same post-ASB funk as as everyone else, and has been a bit better the last 5 games. Having Nunez to spell him at DH may help him; he's started all but 2 of the games since the break (and pinch-hit in one of those). And they won't have room for both Pedroia and Kelly, let alone Travis. That's assuming that Workman has promoted himself to "too good to option" status, which I think he has. The likeliest route to fit both would be to take whatever ordinary pain Boyer or Hembree is suffering and declare it DL-worthy. It's hard to see them trading Boyer when he'd still be the 8th guy on the depth chart for 7 bullpen slots, and the 9th guy is Maddox and the 10th Kyle Martin, maybe. And then there's the question of making room for Fister as a long man, if he continues to pitch well, when Price comes back. But if Price comes back in late August, sending Workman down very briefly until rosters expand might be the best option.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 5, 2017 12:29:41 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Aug 5, 2017 12:48:06 GMT -5
Heard tonight that Kelly is ready to come back, which will send Maddox down. Still seems like 13 pitchers is a lot. Pedey should be back soon, Hanley may go to the DL - wonder if they can get Travis back up - or just use Nunez for DH.... Edit: yeah, I watched the whole game and some of the post-game and I recall no one mentioning that Hanley seemed to be limping. If he is DL'd, that just puts off the roster crunch I outlined, for another 10 days. And Travis would probably come up for 3 games until Pedey returns.
Why would Hanley go on the DL? He had the same post-ASB funk as as everyone else, and has been a bit better the last 5 games. Having Nunez to spell him at DH may help him; he's started all but 2 of the games since the break (and pinch-hit in one of those). And they won't have room for both Pedroia and Kelly, let alone Travis. That's assuming that Workman has promoted himself to "too good to option" status, which I think he has. The likeliest route to fit both would be to take whatever ordinary pain Boyer or Hembree is suffering and declare it DL-worthy. It's hard to see them trading Boyer when he'd still be the 8th guy on the depth chart for 7 bullpen slots, and the 9th guy is Maddox and the 10th Kyle Martin, maybe. And then there's the question of making room for Fister as a long man, if he continues to pitch well, when Price comes back. But if Price comes back in late August, sending Workman down very briefly until rosters expand might be the best option. Do you honestly believe price is coming back this year?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 5, 2017 15:36:01 GMT -5
Do you honestly believe price is coming back this year? He has said to have very little pain at the time of the injury and he is already throwing a baseball. I expect him to be back at some point, but I think Tommy John surgery is on the table on every pitch he pitches and maybe even in the off-season.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 5, 2017 15:54:59 GMT -5
They can't play with a 2-man bench, and obliques are not to be messed around with. If he looks to be out for more than a day, I think he goes on the DL and Travis comes up until Pedroia comes of the DL Tuesday. And that buys them 10 days to figure out how to deal with the problem of 13 pitchers and 13 position players, all of whom are either too good to send to AAA or have no options left.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 5, 2017 19:34:35 GMT -5
He has said to have very little pain at the time of the injury and he is already throwing a baseball. I expect him to be back at some point, but I think Tommy John surgery is on the table on every pitch he pitches and maybe even in the off-season. Wow I hope not. I hope he decides he wants out and leaves. Cause Boston is a terrible place to play. Frees up 30 mil for someone who may want to actually want to play in boston.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 8, 2017 21:33:11 GMT -5
As health breaks out, the roster is firming up with some possibly tough cuts...
Carson Smith threw a scoreless inning in Pawtucket. Not sure when Price will be back. Bullpen, with Reed here, Workman pitching so well and Kelly back - unclear who would be dropped, Fister or Abad (if one or both of Smith and Price comes back soon).
The offense now seems pretty set as well - the only thing to watch may be Hanley's health, with Travis there to call up (or maybe Brentz to test that power in the ML)?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 9, 2017 1:24:42 GMT -5
The Sox seemed like they made up a phantom injury to keep Boyer around. I'm glad, Boyer deserved to stick with this team all year after pitching well in the middle of the year. He probably won't comeback until September.
I'm guessing Price won't be back in September.
Carson Smith is a coin flip whether he'll be back by August or not.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 9, 2017 7:23:24 GMT -5
The Sox seemed like they made up a phantom injury to keep Boyer around. I'm glad, Boyer deserved to stick with this team all year after pitching well in the middle of the year. He probably won't comeback until September. I'm guessing Price won't be back in September. Carson Smith is a coin flip whether he'll be back by August or not. They've already stated that Smith won't be back until September. Why would they activate him earlier? They'd have to fake an injury for Hembree by August 21, else they lose Hembree's services in September. They would have to be certain that Smith would pitch better than Hembree, starting nine days from now. That seems very unlikely.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 9, 2017 10:06:09 GMT -5
40 man roster again ... It's currently full. Smith and Elias will be coming off the 60-day DL, and we'd like to add Beeks and Brentz. Note that Elias has an option left for next year and hence is worth keeping around. Noe Ramirez will be out of options and hence won't be useful as an up-and-down guy next year, and Kyle Martin isn't worth keeping around. Those are easy. So is Steve Selsky, simply because he hasn't hit in Pawtucket. Finding a fourth guy to dump is tougher, assuming Fister has turned a corner into at least usefulness. The best option would seem to be to discover that Ben Taylor's intercostal strain is really bad and put him on the 60-day. A similar option would be to discover that Elias, if he doesn't look worthy of an MLB spot in September (9.83 FIP in two rehab starts at Pawtucket after 8.50 in his Portland start and 7.70 in his Salem), has had a setback, and needs to stay on the 60. He loses about 10 days of ml action that way. If neither of those are viable, I think they'd have to DFA either Taylor or Austin Maddox in order to get both Beeks and Brentz on the roster. And I think you want to do both. Brentz might save you money next year as Chris Young's successor (versus signing a FA or clearing tax limit space for Rusney), and might be better than Young right now, so you do want to get him some more MLB action. Beeks, as has been discussed, could be a significant help in the pen. I can't see them DFA'ing Taylor or Maddox at this point. Why bother adding Maddox to the 40-man in June at a time when you could've called up, say, Ramirez or Martin who were already on the 40-man if you're just going to DFA him in September? That wasn't a situation like Mike Miller last year where he was literally the only option and they didn't care if someone claimed him when he got outrighted. I'm wondering how an Elias DFA might play out. It looks like he'll avoid burning his option this year, so he could be SP depth next year, but that said... how reliable is he there if he's basically missed all of 2017?
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 9, 2017 10:31:17 GMT -5
40 man roster again ... It's currently full. Smith and Elias will be coming off the 60-day DL, and we'd like to add Beeks and Brentz. Note that Elias has an option left for next year and hence is worth keeping around. Noe Ramirez will be out of options and hence won't be useful as an up-and-down guy next year, and Kyle Martin isn't worth keeping around. Those are easy. So is Steve Selsky, simply because he hasn't hit in Pawtucket. Finding a fourth guy to dump is tougher, assuming Fister has turned a corner into at least usefulness. The best option would seem to be to discover that Ben Taylor's intercostal strain is really bad and put him on the 60-day. A similar option would be to discover that Elias, if he doesn't look worthy of an MLB spot in September (9.83 FIP in two rehab starts at Pawtucket after 8.50 in his Portland start and 7.70 in his Salem), has had a setback, and needs to stay on the 60. He loses about 10 days of ml action that way. If neither of those are viable, I think they'd have to DFA either Taylor or Austin Maddox in order to get both Beeks and Brentz on the roster. And I think you want to do both. Brentz might save you money next year as Chris Young's successor (versus signing a FA or clearing tax limit space for Rusney), and might be better than Young right now, so you do want to get him some more MLB action. Beeks, as has been discussed, could be a significant help in the pen. I can't see them DFA'ing Taylor or Maddox at this point. Why bother adding Maddox to the 40-man in June at a time when you could've called up, say, Ramirez or Martin who were already on the 40-man if you're just going to DFA him in September? That wasn't a situation like Mike Miller last year where he was literally the only option and they didn't care if someone claimed him when he got outrighted. I'm wondering how an Elias DFA might play out. It looks like he'll avoid burning his option this year, so he could be SP depth next year, but that said... how reliable is he there if he's basically missed all of 2017? You've got to keep reading the thread as ideas evolve . I've pretty much settled on leaving Elias on the 60-day DL. I don't think there's any rule that says you have to activate him off of it. You're not going to need him in September with all the other depth.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 9, 2017 10:46:57 GMT -5
No, I got to that idea, but if he's clearly healthy? I guess they could.
So I guess we have Ramirez, Martin, Selsky, in some order, as the guys with tenuous spots.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 9, 2017 11:29:59 GMT -5
No, I got to that idea, but if he's clearly healthy? I guess they could. So I guess we have Ramirez, Martin, Selsky, in some order, as the guys with tenuous spots. I wonder if Owens is joining the list of tenuous 40 man roster position holders??
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 9, 2017 12:01:42 GMT -5
No, I got to that idea, but if he's clearly healthy? I guess they could. So I guess we have Ramirez, Martin, Selsky, in some order, as the guys with tenuous spots. I wonder if Owens is joining the list of tenuous 40 man roster position holders?? We have a thread for that. There's no 40-man roster squeeze at all this winter. You don't DFA Owens to protect both Ty Buttrey and Aneury Tavarez from the Rule 5. And there's actually room for all three (if they're satisfied with Tavarez as the call-up option in the OF). I'm not even sure who we're talking about in terms of who would be taking his spot. Danny Mars? Justin Haley?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 10:21:03 GMT -5
Who do you DFA when Smith comes back? Fister? Boyer? Selsky? Velazquez? EDIT: Elias?
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Post by jiant2520 on Aug 20, 2017 11:34:07 GMT -5
Who do you DFA when Smith comes back? Fister? Boyer? Selsky? Velazquez? Boyer for me...
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Post by gerry on Aug 20, 2017 12:32:55 GMT -5
Who do you DFA when Smith comes back? Fister? Boyer? Selsky? Velazquez? Boyer for me... Not Velasquez, for sure
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 20, 2017 16:34:28 GMT -5
Why would Boyer be DFA? He hasn't done anything to deserve that. They certainly don't need Selsky.
Boyer will probably be back Sept 1st, just like Smith.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2017 17:47:00 GMT -5
Why would Boyer be DFA? He hasn't done anything to deserve that. They certainly don't need Selsky. Boyer will probably be back Sept 1st, just like Smith. Yeah Selsky seems like the obvious move to make. He might even clear waivers if the Sox DFA him.
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