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Interesting Roster Decisions Ahead...
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Aug 21, 2017 2:56:23 GMT -5
Who do you DFA when Smith comes back? Fister? Boyer? Selsky? Velazquez? EDIT: Elias? Why on earth is Velazquez even on this list?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 21, 2017 11:40:57 GMT -5
I moved a bunch of posts from the Smith thread into here. These things are never really done in a vacuum, so the discussion in here was germane to the question asked.
Ben Taylor was recalled to Boston from his rehab assignment on 8/11 without being activated (these transactions, often not communicated to the PR folks at the time, have a habit of falling through the cracks). It seems clear at this point that he'll be put on the 60-day DL, so there's one spot. Call it Smith's, given the news that they're happy with how his rehab is going.
Martin and Selsky seem like they might be the moves for Brentz and Beeks. Interestingly, if Martin clears, he's not even a minor league free agent this offseason, by my count, whereas Selsky would be. I wonder if that will play into the team's prioritization of the two in case, for some reason, they only need one more spot.
My guess:
9/1 transactions: Activate Boyer and Smith; select Brentz contract; recall Blake Swihart, Sam Travis, Deven Marrero, move Taylor to the 60-day DL; DFA Martin.
9/5 transactions: Recall Lin, Maddox, Johnson, and Velazquez; select Beeks contract; DFA Selsky (or if they're looking to get tricky, activate and recall him and place him on the 60-day DL).
I could also see them not recalling Johnson and/or Velazquez to keep them on a 5-day schedule down in Fort Myers in case they're needed to start in case of further injuries.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 23, 2017 13:17:45 GMT -5
A note that the Royals yesterday recalled Miguel Almonte from the minors and immediately placed him on the 60-day DL. He had been on the minor league DL since late July.
I mention this because such a move with Selsky could make sense if they want to try to hang onto him while opening a roster spot if his concussion symptoms don't look like they'll subside before the end of Pawtucket's season.
EDIT: PawSox activated Selsky today. Never mind.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 23, 2017 15:31:33 GMT -5
Former Spinners FO stud Jon Boswell mentioned the 60-day DL for Price on Twitter. He'd be eligible to come off on 9/21. If he's not coming back until then, I like that as a way to kick the can down the road and postpone the decision on a roster spot until you know he's coming back.
I think Taylor to the 60-day this week for Brentz to come up is the first option. That gives them until 9/1 to assess how much time Price will need. If he still needs the 3 weeks, that makes the most sense.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 23, 2017 16:21:56 GMT -5
I really hope we have enough time to evaluate Brentz to see if he could be a Chris Young replacement next year.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 23, 2017 17:13:27 GMT -5
I really hope we have enough time to evaluate Brentz to see if he could be a Chris Young replacement next year. The team has to be thinking along the same lines. And in fact, the JBJ injury should provide an opportunity, because there will be room for both Brentz and Young in the lineup vs. LHP -- one in LF and one at DH, with Hanley at 1B. However, as currently scheduled, it's just one game -- J.A. Happ in Toronto next Tuesday. Then Jaime Garcia 9/3. That's 10 RHSP in the next 12 games.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 23, 2017 17:29:51 GMT -5
I really hope we have enough time to evaluate Brentz to see if he could be a Chris Young replacement next year. The team has to be thinking along the same lines. And in fact, the JBJ injury should provide an opportunity, because there will be room for both Brentz and Young in the lineup vs. LHP -- one in LF and one at DH, with Hanley at 1B. However, as currently scheduled, it's just one game -- J.A. Happ in Toronto next Tuesday. Then Jaime Garcia 9/3. That's 10 RHSP in the next 12 games. I just hope Brentz doesn't get buried behind Young, which I have suspicions about.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 23, 2017 17:34:12 GMT -5
I really hope we have enough time to evaluate Brentz to see if he could be a Chris Young replacement next year. The team has to be thinking along the same lines. And in fact, the JBJ injury should provide an opportunity, because there will be room for both Brentz and Young in the lineup vs. LHP -- one in LF and one at DH, with Hanley at 1B. However, as currently scheduled, it's just one game -- J.A. Happ in Toronto next Tuesday. Then Jaime Garcia 9/3. That's 10 RHSP in the next 12 games. In fact, I think it's likely they'll call up Travis when they send down Velazquez, and it will be the smart thing to do and won't mean they don't love Brentz as a potential Young replacement. The Marrero callup plus tonight's lineup indicates that Holt is their short-term LF vs. RHP, which I think is the right call. And all but one of the games with JBJ out are against RHSP. In those games, they're going to be pinch-hitting for Holt and Moreland, so Travis on the bench makes much more sense than Brentz. Travis probably gets the runner at 3B two night ago. OTOH, Brentz is 2/3, HR as an MLB PH, while Travis is 0/4. But I think the defensive value trumps these tiny SS. Furthermore, Brentz has hit .217 / .270 / .422 in 89 PA as a DH this year. That doesn't mean his MLB pinch hit results are a fluke -- Young has been a great PH in his career and a lousy DH -- but the two do tend to correlate a bit.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 23, 2017 17:39:00 GMT -5
The Sox effectively evaluating players like Brentz (or some of their borderline relievers like Maddox) and giving them roster spots next year over relatively expensive ($5M AAV or so) options will go a long, long way to effective roster construction. They're going to need to structure wisely as the first wave of young guys require extensions.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 23, 2017 17:40:28 GMT -5
The Sox effectively evaluating players like Brentz (or some of their borderline relievers like Maddox) and giving them roster spots next year over relatively expensive ($5M AAV or so) options will go a long, long way to effective roster construction. They're going to need to structure wisely as the first wave of young guys require extensions. They also have to make sure they have enough depth options for possible disasters like Brentz turning out to not be viable in the majors.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 23, 2017 19:43:30 GMT -5
I do wonder if the Davis trade will have any effect on a Brentz promotion. Everytime people expect to see him added, the Sox will bring up someone else up or they'll make a trade like this. I'm skeptical that they add him to the roster come September.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 23, 2017 20:49:18 GMT -5
Thought this tweet was interesting. Sox payroll mentions how you could see a smaller September crew to stay under the tax threshold. I wonder if this has anything to do with a Brentz and/or a Beeks promotion (meaning we don't see them get a call up in September).
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Post by telson13 on Aug 23, 2017 22:15:35 GMT -5
The Sox effectively evaluating players like Brentz (or some of their borderline relievers like Maddox) and giving them roster spots next year over relatively expensive ($5M AAV or so) options will go a long, long way to effective roster construction. They're going to need to structure wisely as the first wave of young guys require extensions. They also have to make sure they have enough depth options for possible disasters like Brentz turning out to not be viable in the majors. Absolutely, although getting Chavis some LF time and Lin more CF time might help that, maybe in the AFL and next year in AAA.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 23, 2017 22:17:25 GMT -5
Well, we're back to a 40-man roster crunch. Smith, Beeks, and Brentz the desired additions, and Martin DFA, Taylor to 60-day DL the only obvious moves.
As someone has noted, assuming that Price won't be ready to pitch in MLB until 9/21, they could move him to the 60-day DL. If he makes it back, you can DFA Boyer, who's not going to be on the post-season roster and then is a FA. At that point he's likely the 10th or 11th option in the pen (depending on whether they unbury Abad) and his absence the last 10 days is unlikely to make a difference. Some contender with roster room and a lack of bullpen depth will probably claim him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 23, 2017 22:40:18 GMT -5
I think the Sox might be able to add 1 or 2 more minimum level contracts and stay under the luxury tax threshold but I'm not sure. They're so close to it right now. We will get our answers around September 1 through September 5th when the PawSox season ends.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 24, 2017 8:39:51 GMT -5
Henry Owens has 44 walks, 9 hit batsmen, and 7 wild pitches in 45 innings since moving down from Pawtucket. Both his upside an immediate value are less than Beeks at this point. It's really hard to carry a guy like that on your 40-man while he tries to put himself back together.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 24, 2017 9:50:39 GMT -5
Henry Owens has 44 walks, 9 hit batsmen, and 7 wild pitches in 45 innings since moving down from Pawtucket. Both his upside an immediate value are less than Beeks at this point. It's really hard to carry a guy like that on your 40-man while he tries to put himself back together. Having seen his best game in Portland, I think he's worth carrying while he tries to figure it out. The first three innings yesterday were a real struggle, and he still showed the toughness to not let any of those innings get out of hand and to come back with two clean frames to finish his outing. And even when he was wild as hell he was still striking guys out and not giving up hard contact that would let the innings get out of control. He might be - and probably is - a major league reliever at this point, but the stuff is there for him to succeed in that role. Plus he has another option left. I'd be very disappointed if they cut bait with him now. He will absolutely get claimed if they try to get him through waivers. ---- As for Davis, I can't see him affecting a Brentz call-up because of positional redundancy. Davis, if anything, might affect whether Lin comes up, as Davis appears to be your September/postseason pinch runner, which takes out some of Lin's utility on that front. That said, if adding one more minimum deal really is going to put them over the CBT (and this is pro-rated, remember, so it'd have to be his salary for the month he'll be up), then I guess that might be one way Davis keeps him off the roster. EDIT: that RedSoxPayroll guy has them with $.95M to spare. That will not keep them from adding Brentz or Beeks down the stretch at all. It will keep them from adding Castillo to the extent that was ever an option, though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 24, 2017 10:15:27 GMT -5
Boyer and Davis getting activated today, Velazquez and Marrero optioned.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2017 17:00:04 GMT -5
Brentz has been taking grounders at 1B since July. Maybe having him as the 4th outfielder and platoon 1B with Moreland is a possibility next year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 26, 2017 1:30:05 GMT -5
Brentz has been taking grounders at 1B since July. Maybe having him as the 4th outfielder and platoon 1B with Moreland is a possibility next year. Do you think the Sox will re-sign Moreland ? I see 1B as the biggest area to improve in a year in which they are likely to not be concerned with the salary cap.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 26, 2017 16:13:31 GMT -5
Brentz has been taking grounders at 1B since July. Maybe having him as the 4th outfielder and platoon 1B with Moreland is a possibility next year. Do you think the Sox will re-sign Moreland ? I see 1B as the biggest area to improve in a year in which they are likely to not be concerned with the salary cap. Until I hear a plan, I'm going to assume that they're not going over the cap because of all of the penalties under the new CBA. They haven't said anything about it yet. I don't know why it's just being assumed. They will lose actual talent by going over the cap now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 26, 2017 17:54:06 GMT -5
Do you think the Sox will re-sign Moreland ? I see 1B as the biggest area to improve in a year in which they are likely to not be concerned with the salary cap. Until I hear a plan, I'm going to assume that they're not going over the cap because of all of the penalties under the new CBA. They haven't said anything about it yet. I don't know why it's just being assumed. They will lose actual talent by going over the cap now. I don't think the actual negatives outweigh the positives with going over the cap. You drop 10 spots in the draft if you're 20 percent over and you only lose draft picks when you sign free agents with QO attached.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 28, 2017 21:56:17 GMT -5
Sept 1 is right around the corner - and Sept 5 is when the Pawtucket season ends.
Looking over the 40 man, can't see Owens, Elias, Taylor joining the team (ineffectiveness or recent injuries)
I expect we will see Marrero, Velazquez, Travis, Maddox, and Lin (some or all of these)
Not sure about Swihart, Johnson, or Martin.
Removals from the 40 man roster would have to happen to see Beeks, Smith or Brentz.
So, we are not far from a little help here and there - would love to see Brentz take a few ABs
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 29, 2017 7:29:00 GMT -5
Sept 1 is right around the corner - and Sept 5 is when the Pawtucket season ends. Looking over the 40 man, can't see Owens, Elias, Taylor joining the team (ineffectiveness or recent injuries) I expect we will see Marrero, Velazquez, Travis, Maddox, and Lin (some or all of these) Not sure about Swihart, Johnson, or Martin. Removals from the 40 man roster would have to happen to see Beeks, Smith or Brentz. So, we are not far from a little help here and there - would love to see Brentz take a few ABs They're so close to the cap that I wouldn't count on a lot of players joining the team for the entire month. They can't afford the extra salary.
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Post by jmei on Aug 29, 2017 7:49:50 GMT -5
One months' worth of prorated major league minimum salary is pretty minimal. Unless they're less than $500,000 from the luxury tax threshold, we'll see about the same number of call-ups as we usually do.
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