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Interesting Roster Decisions Ahead...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 29, 2017 10:08:10 GMT -5
My current projection:
9/1: Recall Swihart (3rd catcher, won't play much), Marrero; activate Smith; maybe activate Bradley; DFA Martin.
9/5: Recall Lin, Travis, Maddox, Velazquez. Johnson goes to Ft. Myers to continue to stay stretched out if needed. (Johnson/Velazquez may switch)
So, where does this leave Brentz and Beeks? They could make 40-man space by 60-day DL'ing Taylor, 60-day DL'ing Price, or perhaps even DFA'ing Boyer or Elias. It all depends on the timeline for Price - as we said, if he's not back before 9/21 anyway, then go for it - but the thing is that you'd then need to make another 40-man spot if he makes it back. I think they will negotiate all that to get Brentz up, but I'm not sure if they'll do it for Beeks now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 29, 2017 13:25:47 GMT -5
I got interesting question.
Let's say the Sox don't add Brentz this September, for whatever reason.
Would there be a time or period where the Sox can add him on the 40 man roster before he became a free agent in the middle of November?
To me, this would be the likeliest scenario if possible. I don't see him taking away at bats from Davis or Young.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 29, 2017 13:58:47 GMT -5
I got interesting question. Let's say the Sox don't add Brentz this September, for whatever reason. Would there be a time or period where the Sox cam add him on the 40 man roster before he became a free agent in the middle of November? To me, this would be the likeliest scenario of possible. I don't see him taking away at bats from Davis or Young. Good question. I like the idea of mid November. I agree I do not see him taking at bats away from young and davis.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 29, 2017 18:04:47 GMT -5
He becomes a free agent 5 days after the world series. If he's added before then, he doesn't.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 29, 2017 19:50:30 GMT -5
He becomes a free agent 5 days after the world series. If he's added before then, he doesn't. Thanks Chris. Honestly, I see this as the most likeliest option the Sox take. Don't see enough room on the 40 man roster this September and the Sox don't want to take away at bats from Young for some reason.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 29, 2017 20:18:48 GMT -5
Steve Selsky outrighted to AAA today, cleared waivers.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 29, 2017 20:35:41 GMT -5
He becomes a free agent 5 days after the world series. If he's added before then, he doesn't. Thanks Chris. Honestly, I see this as the most likeliest option the Sox take. Don't see enough room on the 40 man roster this September and the Sox don't want to take away at bats from Young for some reason. I'll be leading the bitching brigade if they don't bring up Brentz.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 29, 2017 21:57:55 GMT -5
I would like to see Haley added to the 40 man roster.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 30, 2017 5:18:19 GMT -5
He becomes a free agent 5 days after the world series. If he's added before then, he doesn't. Thanks Chris. Honestly, I see this as the most likeliest option the Sox take. Don't see enough room on the 40 man roster this September and the Sox don't want to take away at bats from Young for some reason. Total agree here. Good info. Not sure why they have not brought him up yet? had the opportunity, but they got davis. Young has not set the world on fire and Holt has been out most of the year. Maybe they put on the 40 man list and try to include him in some trade to get??
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 30, 2017 7:57:51 GMT -5
I would like to see Haley added to the 40 man roster. There are way too many pitchers on the 40 man already and it's looking possible/likely that we'll never get to see if Brentz is for real because of it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 30, 2017 8:26:22 GMT -5
I would like to see Haley added to the 40 man roster. There are way too many pitchers on the 40 man already and it's looking possible/likely that we'll never get to see if Brentz is for real because of it. 22 pitchers on the 40 man - and that doesn't count Wright, Ross, Smith and Thornburg (all 60 day DL). Wow!
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2017 6:12:39 GMT -5
I guess this area on roster decisions splits into 3 areas. First, roster decisions for the 25 man roster. specifically the playoff roster. Second, Rule 5 decisions. Third, winter 40 man roster.
I would interested in the thinking on the playoff roster. Outfield, davis, Holt, and Young, and possibly Brentz. Bullpen, Abad, Smith, and long relief.
Rule 5 looks fairly easy on decisions.
40 man roster is tough. 8 listed FA's , who do you keep? Who do you add and how many? Need a power hitter. 9 starters, The first 4 are fairly obvious. But, 5-9 gets tricky. No lefty relief, maybe Ross? After Kimbrel on the righty side who do keep and who do you trade? Catchers, what do you do with Blake? Do you keep him and do something with Leon? Who is the 4th OF? Devers, XB and pedy are the infield. Who do you keep as backup? Holt, Nunez and Hernandez. Lin and Marreo? Do you keep Hanley? Moreland and Travis at first? Plus, PLUS, manage the cap.
Not sure where Chris and company want to sort this to.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 31, 2017 10:27:13 GMT -5
Let's just talk about the immediate future of the MLB roster here. There's already a Rule 5 thread. If someone really wants to start the offseason transactions discussion they can do that as well.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 31, 2017 12:52:38 GMT -5
My current projection: 9/1: Recall Swihart (3rd catcher, won't play much), Marrero; activate Smith; maybe activate Bradley; DFA Martin. 9/5: Recall Lin, Travis, Maddox, Velazquez. Johnson goes to Ft. Myers to continue to stay stretched out if needed. (Johnson/Velazquez may switch) So, where does this leave Brentz and Beeks? They could make 40-man space by 60-day DL'ing Taylor, 60-day DL'ing Price, or perhaps even DFA'ing Boyer or Elias. It all depends on the timeline for Price - as we said, if he's not back before 9/21 anyway, then go for it - but the thing is that you'd then need to make another 40-man spot if he makes it back. I think they will negotiate all that to get Brentz up, but I'm not sure if they'll do it for Beeks now. Abad only has 4 G and 4.1 IP (none with the Sox leading) since 8/3, so it's hard to see them finding a spot for Beeks. I think it happens only of there's a season-ending pitching injury, or if Robby Scott loses it. Some Chris Young facts: Over the last 4 years he has a 119 wRC+ vs. LHP and a 94 vs. RHP However, the 4 seasons vs. LHP have gone 65, 162, 166, 59. Double however, on August 30 of 2014 he had a 50 vs. LHP and 92 vs RHP. Thereafter, he was 188 vs. LHP and 142 vs. RHP. So it's hard to make a case that his bad numbers vs. LHP this year are anything but a SSS fluke. Triple however, when you adjust his wRC+ for the excess LHP he's seen this year, using the 4-year split, he's been an 88 wRC+ OF. Who is subpar defensively. And is 33 years old. Is that really a guy you need to keep trotting out there? With that 4-year split, you'd expect a 102 wRC+ vs. LHP the rest of the way. That's about what Brentz projects overall, according to Clay Davenport. And he has huge splits. If Young has a bad series against the Yankees, I wouldn't hesitate to give Brentz a shot at his job. I think if he has a decent series, then he probably keeps it. Either way, I do so them getting Brentz on the roster to get a look at him, though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 31, 2017 13:01:41 GMT -5
I'm with you. At this point, I think Taylor getting healthy enough to get activated means he takes the spot we had earmarked for Beeks. But I think Brentz comes up and they make room, even if it means a DFA.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2017 13:06:29 GMT -5
My current projection: 9/1: Recall Swihart (3rd catcher, won't play much), Marrero; activate Smith; maybe activate Bradley; DFA Martin. 9/5: Recall Lin, Travis, Maddox, Velazquez. Johnson goes to Ft. Myers to continue to stay stretched out if needed. (Johnson/Velazquez may switch) So, where does this leave Brentz and Beeks? They could make 40-man space by 60-day DL'ing Taylor, 60-day DL'ing Price, or perhaps even DFA'ing Boyer or Elias. It all depends on the timeline for Price - as we said, if he's not back before 9/21 anyway, then go for it - but the thing is that you'd then need to make another 40-man spot if he makes it back. I think they will negotiate all that to get Brentz up, but I'm not sure if they'll do it for Beeks now. Abad only has 4 G and 4.1 IP (none with the Sox leading) since 8/3, so it's hard to see them finding a spot for Beeks. I think it happens only of there's a season-ending pitching injury, or if Robby Scott loses it. Some Chris Young facts: Over the last 4 years he has a 119 wRC+ vs. LHP and a 94 vs. RHP However, the 4 seasons vs. LHP have gone 65, 162, 166, 59. Double however, on August 30 of 2014 he had a 50 vs. LHP and 92 vs RHP. Thereafter, he was 188 vs. LHP and 142 vs. RHP. So it's hard to make a case that his bad numbers vs. LHP this year are anything but a SSS fluke. Triple however, when you adjust his wRC+ for the excess LHP he's seen this year, using the 4-year split, he's been an 88 wRC+ OF. Who is subpar defensively. And is 33 years old. Is that really a guy you need to keep trotting out there? With that 4-year split, you'd expect a 102 wRC+ vs. LHP the rest of the way. That's about what Brentz projects overall, according to Clay Davenport. And he has huge splits. If Young has a bad series against the Yankees, I wouldn't hesitate to give Brentz a shot at his job. I think if he has a decent series, then he probably keeps it. Either way, I do so them getting Brentz on the roster to get a look at him, though. I'm not sure how much authority Farrell has, but if it's up to him, Young will get all of the PAs over Brentz. I've noticed several times this year that it appears that he has been spoken to by someone and he immediately changed his stubborn habits only to go back to them a few weeks later, but hopefully they speak to him about using Brentz.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2017 13:42:29 GMT -5
Let's just talk about the immediate future of the MLB roster here. There's already a Rule 5 thread. If someone really wants to start the offseason transactions discussion they can do that as well. OK. got it. I guess the off season , in my warped mind, is going to be affected by the pile load of decisions made now and on the rule 5. Brentz comes to mind.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2017 21:30:41 GMT -5
With the 17 relief pitchers (probably the wrong #) on the 40 man, I think they can afford to DFA Boyer to bring Brentz up. I cannot imagine a scenario where the difference between a win and a loss is having Boyer pitch instead of Taylor, Maddox, Martin or Velazquez. And Boyer is a free agent after the season. He is the definition of a replacement level player and they have more than enough of those for September.
With Chris Young being beyond awful, a very likely easy upgrade is Bryce Brentz, starting tomorrow.
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Post by bosox on Aug 31, 2017 22:42:44 GMT -5
Ian BrowneVerified account @ianmbrowne 28m28 minutes ago Sam Travis, Roenis Elias, Austin Maddox and Blake Swihart will be callups tomorrow.
Farrell said the first wave is Swihart, Travis, Elias and Maddox. So, another wave coming.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 31, 2017 22:43:41 GMT -5
“@peteabe: Sox will add Travis, Swihart, Elias and Maddox tomorrow. More to come in following days.”
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 1, 2017 2:09:02 GMT -5
No Bryce Brentz. I don't think he's getting added folks. Maybe after the Pawsox season ends he'll get added, but September 1rst was as good of a time to add him as ever.
I don't get it. Let's just keep pounding our heads against the wall with Chris Young, I guess.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 1, 2017 4:01:38 GMT -5
No Bryce Brentz. I don't think he's getting added folks. Maybe after the Pawsox season ends he'll get added, but September 1rst was as good of a time to add him as ever. I don't get it. Let's just keep pounding our heads against the wall with Chris Young, I guess. Not sure what Dave and the guys have against Brentz. Based on the results in left so far, What can it hurt to try Brentz in left for a few games. Swihart and Travis make sense and may be of some help. Elias and Maddox I guess they one last look before the winter and 40 man decisions.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2017 4:41:55 GMT -5
There's almost no way that Brentz could give us less than Chris Young.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 1, 2017 10:20:13 GMT -5
It's entirely possible they're just waiting for the end of the PawSox season and biding their time to see what Price's timetable looks like.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but just saying.
I'm surprised Elias is coming up at all, never mind 9/1, but that said, he wasn't going to get another start (Johnson/Velazquez/Kendrick/Beeks is the rotation to close the season), so they might as well call him up now if they're planning to.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 1, 2017 10:27:14 GMT -5
Sox also announce activations of Pedroia and Barnes.
Thinking it through, Elias coming up could signal no Beeks.
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