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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jun 10, 2017 21:39:23 GMT -5
The Tigers bullpen is terrible. But man do they have some interesting names: Warwick Saupold, arcenio Leon, etc. They sound like b-list porn stars who are trying too hard. Although, given how poor they pitch that might be the direction their career's are headed towards anyways. What do we have? Matt Barnes. Joe Kelly. Boring!
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 10, 2017 21:39:35 GMT -5
@ the 60 game mark, Moreland looking like a real good pick up for DD. Will that be the case after 162? Maybe he'll be the Red Sox 1989 Nick Esasky - give the Sox his career year before moving on. Nice blast from the past. Who wouldn't sign up for that?
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 10, 2017 21:41:37 GMT -5
In general I don't, with this guy? I sure do. Based on what evidence? His very apparent lack of a give a F, like running into an out at 3rd that could have cost them the game last night. Dogging it down the line often on ground outs, getting thrown out by actual miles going for steals he has no business attempting. I don't feel the need to go on, I've formed my opinion watching him all season. But you wanted evidence, for my opinion so there it is.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 10, 2017 21:43:38 GMT -5
Good thing Xander drove in that run! With the win expectancy surging from a measly 97% to an indomitable 99.5% in the inning, Kimbrel is allowed by divine commandment to rest.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2017 21:44:06 GMT -5
I thought Hanley was a dog once upon a time, when he was with the Marlins and went half hearted after a ball and his manager and he got into it. He went to Ortiz with it and Ortiz set him straight.
I thought the Sox might be getting a dog with Hanley, a sourpuss type of attitude. I saw a guy get injured playing a position that he had no idea how to play (then I saw Swihart do the same thing). Instead of seeing a guy with a crappy attitude I saw a guy playing with a smile on his face and having an easy going personality. This guy isn't who I thought he was. I thought he was aloof Manny. That's not the case with Hanley. When Hanley is injured, which happens quite often with him, he struggles. When he's healthy, he's a very dangerous hitter, as we saw last season, a year in which he was healthy.
Same deal with Pedroia. He finally was healthy last season and he played as well as he's played in years. Then as soon as he had surgery in the offseason, I knew it was going to be one of those years for him. And sure enough he isn't doing what he did last year.
The Red Sox offensive decline is more than losing Ortiz. It's also having two injury prone players in Pedroia and Hanley at less than 100% which affects their performances. But no Hanley has to be dogging it. Yeah, Right.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 10, 2017 21:45:19 GMT -5
In the 8 th inning 8 batters came to the plate, the only out? Hanley ramirez lol
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2017 21:46:51 GMT -5
His very apparent lack of a give a F, like running into an out at 3rd that could have cost them the game last night. Dogging it down the line often on ground outs, getting thrown out by actual miles going for steals he has no business attempting. I don't feel the need to go on, I've formed my opinion watching him all season. But you wanted evidence, for my opinion so there it is. All you did was give evidence that Hanley isn't the brightest bulb in the world trying to take extra bases that he no longer has the speed to get or running into outs foolishly. That doesn't tell me he's "dogging" it. And if running down the line with less than max effort means dogging it, then Ortiz has dogged it for years, too. Most players don't run out their grounders full speed when they're likely to be out 99% of the time.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 10, 2017 21:47:38 GMT -5
In the 8 th inning 8 batters came to the plate, the only out? Hanley ramirez lol Would have swung at that pitch, but shoulder hurts too badly.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 10, 2017 21:51:29 GMT -5
His very apparent lack of a give a F, like running into an out at 3rd that could have cost them the game last night. Dogging it down the line often on ground outs, getting thrown out by actual miles going for steals he has no business attempting. I don't feel the need to go on, I've formed my opinion watching him all season. But you wanted evidence, for my opinion so there it is. Poor baserunning need not equal "not giving a F." From a Dave Schoenfield article on baserunning teams in general, and the Red Sox in particular: "Key stats: 65 for 81 (80 percent) in steals, take the extra base 43 percent of the time. Some of this is a matter of opportunity, as the Red Sox have had the most baserunners of any team. Key contributors: Mookie Betts (+6.5), Jackie Bradley Jr. (+5.8), Xander Bogaerts (+5.3). These three all rank in the top 11, helping to cancel out David Ortiz (-6.6) and Dustin Pedroia (-4.2)." So Papi and Pedey "didn't give an F"? In the last 15 years who jogged to 1B more than Papi? Was he a dog too?
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jun 10, 2017 21:53:08 GMT -5
Re: Hanley. No idea if he's hurt or what, although given his career of above average to excellent hitting I'll give him a little benefit of the doubt that something is wrong physically. I'd definitely give him a few games off regardless. Also, this whole idea that Papi fixed Hanley last year is a tad overblown. Remember Hanley was pretty terrible last season until june-ish before he went on that mid-season tear.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2017 21:53:56 GMT -5
In the 8 th inning 8 batters came to the plate, the only out? Hanley ramirez lol Would have swung at that pitch, but shoulder hurts too badly. If only he was as courageous as you are. His shoulder most likely isn't right, but he should be hitting .300 because if he had the balls you have and you were in that situation, no doubt you'd be tearing up the league. After all injuries have no impact on performance. Now you have me laughing.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 10, 2017 21:54:02 GMT -5
His very apparent lack of a give a F, like running into an out at 3rd that could have cost them the game last night. Dogging it down the line often on ground outs, getting thrown out by actual miles going for steals he has no business attempting. I don't feel the need to go on, I've formed my opinion watching him all season. But you wanted evidence, for my opinion so there it is. Poor baserunning need not equal "not giving a F." From a Dave Schoenfield article on baserunning teams in general, and the Red Sox in particular: "Key stats: 65 for 81 (80 percent) in steals, take the extra base 43 percent of the time. Some of this is a matter of opportunity, as the Red Sox have had the most baserunners of any team. Key contributors: Mookie Betts (+6.5), Jackie Bradley Jr. (+5.8), Xander Bogaerts (+5.3). These three all rank in the top 11, helping to cancel out David Ortiz (-6.6) and Dustin Pedroia (-4.2)." So Papi and Pedey "didn't give an F"? In the last 15 years who jogged to 1B more than Papi? Was he a dog too? Ok nerd thx for the stats
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 10, 2017 21:56:37 GMT -5
Would have swung at that pitch, but shoulder hurts too badly. If only he was as courageous as you are. His shoulder most likely isn't right, but he should be hitting .300 because if he had the balls you have and you were in that situation, no doubt you'd be tearing up the league. After all injuries have no impact on performance. Now you have me laughing. Hanley Ramirez apologists lmao what a world. If hes hurt then send him to the DL and lets see Sam Travis.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 10, 2017 21:58:14 GMT -5
Nifty ply by Zander there to throw out Iggy!
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Post by danr on Jun 10, 2017 21:59:26 GMT -5
This Boyer guy is a find. He had some gas tonight. A classic Sox win because they forced Verlander to throw too many pitches and got him out of the game.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 10, 2017 22:02:40 GMT -5
Poor baserunning need not equal "not giving a F." From a Dave Schoenfield article on baserunning teams in general, and the Red Sox in particular: "Key stats: 65 for 81 (80 percent) in steals, take the extra base 43 percent of the time. Some of this is a matter of opportunity, as the Red Sox have had the most baserunners of any team. Key contributors: Mookie Betts (+6.5), Jackie Bradley Jr. (+5.8), Xander Bogaerts (+5.3). These three all rank in the top 11, helping to cancel out David Ortiz (-6.6) and Dustin Pedroia (-4.2)." So Papi and Pedey "didn't give an F"? In the last 15 years who jogged to 1B more than Papi? Was he a dog too? Ok nerd thx for the stats Name calling = "I give up." Lol
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Post by radiohix on Jun 10, 2017 22:02:45 GMT -5
Poor baserunning need not equal "not giving a F." From a Dave Schoenfield article on baserunning teams in general, and the Red Sox in particular: "Key stats: 65 for 81 (80 percent) in steals, take the extra base 43 percent of the time. Some of this is a matter of opportunity, as the Red Sox have had the most baserunners of any team. Key contributors: Mookie Betts (+6.5), Jackie Bradley Jr. (+5.8), Xander Bogaerts (+5.3). These three all rank in the top 11, helping to cancel out David Ortiz (-6.6) and Dustin Pedroia (-4.2)." So Papi and Pedey "didn't give an F"? In the last 15 years who jogged to 1B more than Papi? Was he a dog too? Ok nerd thx for the stats Seriously man, i hate Hanley more than anyone here but there's no need to be unpleasant to the other posters. we can all disagree right?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 10, 2017 22:03:46 GMT -5
Excellent win tonight. A lot of contributions. Nice rebound from last two nights in NY.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2017 22:04:51 GMT -5
GREAT WIN!
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Post by station13 on Jun 10, 2017 22:08:44 GMT -5
Not every night they face a punching bag that is the Detroit bullpen.
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Post by rafael on Jun 10, 2017 22:10:55 GMT -5
I've actually enjoyed AJP as the color guy. Reasonably knowledgeable, and I think his brand of wiseass translates well to the booth. I've got to agree with that. He even made me laugh a couple of times. FOX was clever to put him in that game, as he had caught Sale and played with some of the Red Sox players as well as having faced Verlander and the Tigers frequently in his career.
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Post by Coreno on Jun 10, 2017 22:10:57 GMT -5
Over-aggressive baserunning somehow gets you labeled as lazy now? not sure how that works.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 10, 2017 22:20:59 GMT -5
Ok nerd thx for the stats Name calling = "I give up." Lol True no sense arguing my opinion that a guy isn't engaged and is dogging it. I gave my evidence, I don't care about his TRU ZRBB baserunning numbers that ACTUALLY prove hes among the league leaders in effort given on the basepaths. That ish is not for me my man.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 10, 2017 22:23:26 GMT -5
Over-aggressive baserunning somehow gets you labeled as lazy now? not sure how that works. That was more in the "not engaged" part that was accidentally left out. Lazy and dumb works though.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2017 22:43:06 GMT -5
If only he was as courageous as you are. His shoulder most likely isn't right, but he should be hitting .300 because if he had the balls you have and you were in that situation, no doubt you'd be tearing up the league. After all injuries have no impact on performance. Now you have me laughing. Hanley Ramirez apologists lmao what a world. If hes hurt then send him to the DL and lets see Sam Travis. Hanley's obviously trying to play through it, like a lot of players do. If he wasn't keyboard tough guys like yourself would call him a wuss for not having the balls to play through his injuries. And as far as the "evidence" you presented all you did was present an opinion that's easily refutable. Ben Oglivie's Brother actually provided "evidence". And you immaturely called him a nerd. Makes your opinion look pretty inane.
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