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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Aug 31, 2017 19:28:00 GMT -5
A 16 year old signed to big $$$ with great potential. Barring trades or free agency, it would seem Boston would need a catcher in the next handful of years and Flores (at this point) holds lots of promise.
So, some questions/topics to consider. Vasquez/Swihart/Leon... would Flores be ready by the time those guys die out? Might Boston need to consider a stop gap to get them to Flores?
Sixteen is VERY young... and lots can happen as he matures. How does Boston view him at this point (beyond just being a talented player)... so they see him remaining behind the plate?
I didn't see stats on him since his signing. Is he assigned to a team or is there a waiting period until he reports somewhere?
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Post by soxfan1615 on Aug 31, 2017 19:38:40 GMT -5
Consider this for a second. Rafael Devers is a huge outlier in how quickly he got to the majors. It's extremely rare to get to the majors by 20. Now also consider the fact that when Rafael Devers was signed, Will Middlebrooks looked like a stud 3Bman of the future with another "stud" 3B Garin Cecchini coming behind him in the pipeline. When Manny Margot was signed, Jacoby Ellsbury was playing at an MVP level in CF, Ryan Kalish was our top prospect, and Mike Trout had never even played a game in the majors. Margot is just getting to the majors now. My point is that projecting how 16 year olds will fit on this team using current roster construction is a waste of time.
Also consider the fact that Flores is not even likely to make the majors at all. The most likely outcome for him is a bust who never plays a game in the majors.
Flores is a guy who you sign for the upside, hope for the best, and forget about. Which is what every newly signed IFA should be. What you don't do is try to "bridge" to him, or change your future roster plans to accommodate him. You sign him because of his high upside and hope for the best
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 31, 2017 19:55:27 GMT -5
A premium guy like Flores has a decent chance of being in the majors, even as a 16 year old roll of the dice. The kid is super premium and hopefully our scouts know what they are doing. Still, I agree that it is pointless to worry about if there will be a slot for him later or if we need to think about a stop gap 3 years from now.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2017 20:06:07 GMT -5
It's not like the Red Sox will be priced out of the Leon/Vazquez free agent markets.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 31, 2017 20:09:15 GMT -5
A 16 year old signed to big $$$ with great potential. Barring trades or free agency, it would seem Boston would need a catcher in the next handful of years and Flores (at this point) holds lots of promise. So, some questions/topics to consider. Vasquez/Swihart/Leon... would Flores be ready by the time those guys die out? Might Boston need to consider a stop gap to get them to Flores? Sixteen is VERY young... and lots can happen as he matures. How does Boston view him at this point (beyond just being a talented player)... so they see him remaining behind the plate? I didn't see stats on him since his signing. Is he assigned to a team or is there a waiting period until he reports somewhere?He won't begin playing pro ball until the DSL season begins next year. Based on the track record of other premium international guys, you might expect him to see some time in the DSL next year with an in-season promotion soon after the GCL season begins. If all goes well, he may be in line for a full season assignment in 2019. That said, there's a lot of time ahead of his development and fans need patience in their evaluation/projection of his future.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 31, 2017 22:40:32 GMT -5
A 16 year old signed to big $$$ with great potential. Barring trades or free agency, it would seem Boston would need a catcher in the next handful of years and Flores (at this point) holds lots of promise. So, some questions/topics to consider. Vasquez/Swihart/Leon... would Flores be ready by the time those guys die out? Might Boston need to consider a stop gap to get them to Flores? Sixteen is VERY young... and lots can happen as he matures. How does Boston view him at this point (beyond just being a talented player)... so they see him remaining behind the plate? I didn't see stats on him since his signing. Is he assigned to a team or is there a waiting period until he reports somewhere?He won't begin playing pro ball until the DSL season begins next year. Based on the track record of other premium international guys, you might expect him to see some time in the DSL next year with an in-season promotion soon after the GCL season begins. If all goes well, he may be in line for a full season assignment in 2019. That said, there's a lot of time ahead of his development and fans need patience in their evaluation/projection of his future. Yup. As a catch-first guy (with good but not outstanding offensive skills), this is exactly what I was thinking of as a near-best-case scenario. Obviously, the best-case outcome would be Ivan Rodriguez, which is not ridiculous to hope for, but ridiculous to expect. If he makes MLB by 21, it would be a coup, let alone 19. FWIW, I think Vazquez has some improvement still in store. I think he gives them plenty of wait time on Flores. He's probably never going to be an above-average offensive player, so his arb awards (based on RBI, BA, SB, RS) are never going to be particularly high.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 3, 2017 3:32:25 GMT -5
He won't begin playing pro ball until the DSL season begins next year. Based on the track record of other premium international guys, you might expect him to see some time in the DSL next year with an in-season promotion soon after the GCL season begins. If all goes well, he may be in line for a full season assignment in 2019. That said, there's a lot of time ahead of his development and fans need patience in their evaluation/projection of his future. Yup. As a catch-first guy (with good but not outstanding offensive skills), this is exactly what I was thinking of as a near-best-case scenario. Obviously, the best-case outcome would be Ivan Rodriguez, which is not ridiculous to hope for, but ridiculous to expect. If he makes MLB by 21, it would be a coup, let alone 19. FWIW, I think Vazquez has some improvement still in store. I think he gives them plenty of wait time on Flores. He's probably never going to be an above-average offensive player, so his arb awards (based on RBI, BA, SB, RS) are never going to be particularly high. You are probably looking at a timeline similar to sanchez and devers. 4-5 years depending, Flores appears to be the opposite of sanchez from the standpoint sanchez is a poor catcher and very good hitter and flores is a very good catcher and an average hitter. There, at this moment in time does not appear to be any rush on bringing up flores. CV looks like he is going to be around for quite a while.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 3, 2017 20:26:20 GMT -5
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2017 9:55:10 GMT -5
If Flores even gets a ML AB before CV hits FA in 2021, I'd be amazed. His viability as a ML C is so far away - if it ever happens at all - that there is no way for the RS to make any plans around it.
Consider that Varitek wasn't a regular until age 27 and Fisk and Gedman until 24. (I'm using 100 games in a season as the rough definition of a regular.) I agree with the poster above who said the best approach with int. FAs is scout them the best you can, sign who you like and then forget about them.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 6, 2017 21:51:33 GMT -5
Hindsight is inherently manipulative so, no particular order but I will say that the 16 year old IFA's I've been most excited about in the year of their signings have been Almanzar, Espinoza, Devers & Flores.
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Post by Smittyw on Nov 8, 2017 15:50:22 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 8, 2017 15:55:13 GMT -5
Holy cow.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 8, 2017 16:12:16 GMT -5
Wow, I get why they are vague, but come on that article just raises a million questions. We need more information!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 8, 2017 16:17:44 GMT -5
It says only 2018 as his season being impacted? Hopefully it's not career (or more importantly not life) threatening and he'll be alright?
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 8, 2017 16:18:48 GMT -5
Serious medical condition...that could literally be anything. I hate uncertainty.
More importantly though, I hope the kid is ok
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 8, 2017 17:12:15 GMT -5
Shades of Ryan Westmoreland...
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Nov 8, 2017 17:15:39 GMT -5
Shades of Ryan Westmoreland... I still remember how excited I was about that kid.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 8, 2017 18:02:06 GMT -5
@alexspeier: Awful news: Red Sox CEO/president Sam Kennedy says highly regarded Red Sox catching prospect Daniel Flores died due to complications from cancer.
Wtf
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Nov 8, 2017 18:02:11 GMT -5
RIP Daniel
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 8, 2017 18:02:46 GMT -5
We hardly knew ye Daniel. Rip
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Post by radiohix on Nov 8, 2017 18:04:27 GMT -5
It's heartbreaking when they go as young as that.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 8, 2017 18:08:12 GMT -5
This f*cking sucks
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Post by wildsox on Nov 8, 2017 18:09:04 GMT -5
Wow. So sudden. Very sad
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 8, 2017 18:10:03 GMT -5
Awful.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 8, 2017 18:10:51 GMT -5
Oh my god
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