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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 15, 2017 11:23:39 GMT -5
It's no secret the Sox will be in the market for a RH power bat in the offseason. Cherington signed Castillo when he was edged out by CWS for Jose Abreu.
It looks like Stanton is staying put in Florida and Cabrera is too much of a risk financially and health wise. Abreu was reported as being available at the deadline. With a BA over .300, HRs averaging over 30, and RBI over 100 in the four years he's been in the league, he looks like the ideal target for Dealin' Dave.
White Sox are in a rebuild mode so I'm not sure how he fits in there. He's just 30 and could augment the LH leaning lineup the Red Sox have. As for a return, Chicago had been interested in JBJ in the past. But it has several OF prospects in the pipeline to ease into the rebuild. And, Abreu is a good mentor to the future star, Yoan Moncada. Remember him?
Any ideas on what it would take to pry Jose out of the South Side?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 15, 2017 12:33:47 GMT -5
Why does it look like Stanton is staying put in Florida? Was there a report suggesting this?
Abreu is definitely a good possibility to be dealt. He's the last of the established players with the ChiSox and he's on a highly affordable contract.
I would think the White Sox would want the top remaining prospects the Sox have left?
I would think they'd want three of Chavis, Travis, Mata, or Groome.
If Travis had a better year at AAA, he'd be a good candidate to go in a deal like that, but I don't know if a James Loney type would interest the White Sox.
Somebody who had a season like Chavis would be of definite interest to the White Sox. Could be their 3b sooner or later.
And I would think they'd want a top notch pitching prospect. The BoSox have very little of interest in the upper minors, so I would guess that Groome or Mata would be what they're looking at with their first preference probably being Groome.
Another piece that could be of interest might be Swihart, although his value is quite low at the moment. At this point he just needs a team to give him a chance and stick with him, and of course, the guy needs to be healthy. In 2017 he's didn't show enough offensively or defensively in AAA to be a 1st or 2nd piece, but he could be a 3rd piece of a deal. In 2015 he looked like he was on his way to becoming one of the better offensive catchers in the league, but would need work behind the plate. The White Sox can take a chance that he can get back to 2015 and then eventually progress beyond.
I'm thinking something along the lines of Chavis, Mata, Swihart, and another lesser piece or Groome, Travis, Swihart, and another piece might be something that could interest the White Sox for Abreu.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 15, 2017 13:42:19 GMT -5
There has been speculation that Mike Stanton would be available for the "right price", to answer your questions. But few teams can afford that contract which runs for eleven more years and ends in David Price numbers. I know Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports was advocating a trade recently.
I cannot see the new owners, which include Derek Jeter, making the same mistake Loria made in 2007 trading Miguel Cabrera which alienated droves of fans.
I'd hate to part with Michael Chavis in a package for Abreu, but,with the emergence of Devers, it seems plausable.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 15, 2017 14:22:32 GMT -5
The package starts with Groome. I'm sure the White Sox would love to go get that prospect. You probably would need to add Chavis on top of it.
If I'm dealing those prospects, I'd rather trade for Marcell Ozuna.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 15, 2017 15:00:19 GMT -5
The package starts with Groome. I'm sure the White Sox would love to go get that prospect. You probably would need to add Chavis on top of it. If I'm dealing those prospects, I'd rather trade for Marcell Ozuna. But he's an outfielder, a position of strength. Abreu would fill the hole at 1B assuming Moreland is not re-signed.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 15, 2017 15:07:10 GMT -5
There are so few prospects that other teams are going to want that it's going to take almost all of them to trade for anyone. I'm not interested in trading for anyone. Sign JD Martinez.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 15, 2017 15:22:43 GMT -5
The package starts with Groome. I'm sure the White Sox would love to go get that prospect. You probably would need to add Chavis on top of it. If I'm dealing those prospects, I'd rather trade for Marcell Ozuna. But he's an outfielder, a position of strength. Abreu would fill the hole at 1B assuming Moreland is not re-signed. I want Ozuna's age and thunder in the lineup. Give him a first base glove or have him DH.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 15, 2017 15:50:51 GMT -5
Unless the Red Sox are going to stay below luxary tax line, we should just sign a bat. JD Martinez would really improve this lineup. He is going to cost a ton, but it's just money. I really hope we don't make any big trades this offseason. I feel we just restocked the system, lets keep that up.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 15, 2017 15:59:05 GMT -5
Unless the Red Sox are going to stay below luxary tax line, we should just sign a bat. JD Martinez would really improve this lineup. He is going to cost a ton, but it's just money. I really hope we don't make any big trades this offseason. I feel we just restocked the system, lets keep that up. I think this is probably the move they make. Put a first base glove on him too.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 15, 2017 19:55:59 GMT -5
Unless the Red Sox are going to stay below luxary tax line, we should just sign a bat. JD Martinez would really improve this lineup. He is going to cost a ton, but it's just money. I really hope we don't make any big trades this offseason. I feel we just restocked the system, lets keep that up. You caution that the Sox must stay below the luxury tax line, yet say signing Martinez would cost a ton and "but it's just money" . Color me confused. The dilemma is that Abreu comes with cost certainty at $10,850,000.00 for two years but you lose prospects. J.D. Won't cost you prospects but can you afford what it would take to sign him and avoid the tax penalty? There will be lots of competition for his services. So, do you think the trade is worth it if it gets you to the Show?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 15, 2017 23:00:23 GMT -5
Unless the Red Sox are going to stay below luxary tax line, we should just sign a bat. JD Martinez would really improve this lineup. He is going to cost a ton, but it's just money. I really hope we don't make any big trades this offseason. I feel we just restocked the system, lets keep that up. You caution that the Sox must stay below the luxury tax line, yet say signing Martinez would cost a ton and "but it's just money" . Color me confused. The dilemma is that Abreu comes with cost certainty at $10,850,000.00 for two years but you lose prospects. J.D. Won't cost you prospects but can you afford what it would take to sign him and avoid the tax penalty? There will be lots of competition for his services. So, do you think the trade is worth it if it gets you to the Show? No I didn't. I said unless Red Sox are planning on staying below tax line, a free agent makes more sense. Never said they must stay below tax line. I don't think they do, but who knows. I think they are just resetting tax for future spending. No. Don't see how you add Martinez and stay under tax line. At the same time it would be hard to get Abreu and stay under tax line. While possible it won't be easy and would really limit moves. I don't trade Groome and Chavis if it gets me to show. I'm a huge Chavis guy though. I also like guys like Duda, Bruce and even Moreland on short-term deals if no Martinez. With a guy like Chavis as insurance, along with Travis.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 16, 2017 0:52:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox farm system is pretty shallow. I wouldn't deal Groome and Chavis for Abreu. I'd consider trading Groome and Travis or Chavis and Mata, but not both Groome and Chavis.
If the Sox were going to deal Chavis and Groome it would be in a deal for Stanton, who I think will get traded. The Marlins aren't going to have a $100 million payroll with Stanton making at least a quarter of the payroll.
If the Sox don't get Stanton, then I'd prefer they sign JD Martinez, which is the way I think the Sox will ultimately go.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 16, 2017 7:35:31 GMT -5
Abreu would certainly help for next year. But, I do not think that Dave gives up a big package. Staying under the tax line is an interesting problem. I think they try very hard to stay under one more year, but like umass says who knows what Dave and the front office will do? It would not surprise me that Dave trades both Hanley and porcello this winter. In both cases the trade would be paying half the salaries for some prospects, most likely A level. Could pick up $20 mil that way. Then they could get Abreu. I do not see adding a DH in J D for 20 plus per. Next winter the sox start to get into who they keep and who they let go of the big 5. XB, JBJ, Sale, Kimbrel and Betts. Sale definitely stays. I think if Kimbrel has another year like this year I think he stays also. Betts is a definite. XB and JBJ I think are probably gone. Getting Abreu would definitely fill a hole but how does the money all work.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 16, 2017 7:47:36 GMT -5
You caution that the Sox must stay below the luxury tax line, yet say signing Martinez would cost a ton and "but it's just money" . Color me confused. The dilemma is that Abreu comes with cost certainty at $10,850,000.00 for two years but you lose prospects. J.D. Won't cost you prospects but can you afford what it would take to sign him and avoid the tax penalty? There will be lots of competition for his services. So, do you think the trade is worth it if it gets you to the Show? No I didn't. I said unless Red Sox are planning on staying below tax line, a free agent makes more sense. Never said they must stay below tax line. I don't think they do, but who knows. I think they are just resetting tax for future spending. No. Don't see how you add Martinez and stay under tax line. At the same time it would be hard to get Abreu and stay under tax line. While possible it won't be easy and would really limit moves. I don't trade Groome and Chavis if it gets me to show. I'm a huge Chavis guy though. I also like guys like Duda, Bruce and even Moreland on short-term deals if no Martinez. With a guy like Chavis as insurance, along with Travis. They'd definitely have to move others to avoid the luxury tax and sign Martinez or trade for Abreu. The Sox are now at $197+ on the payroll. Trading for Abreu you know what goes out, $11.5 in 2018 and $12.0 in 2019. Who knows how much J.D. Would command on the open market. He earns $11.75 now and should command more given his productive season and the interest in a big bat league wide. D-Backs will be bidding to retain his services. With the system now depleted, I, too, would hate to part with Groome, Chavis, Mata to get the power bat this team desperately needs. Be nice if Sam Travis could train in the offseason to bring more offense to the position, but I wouldn't count on it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 16, 2017 15:08:31 GMT -5
No I didn't. I said unless Red Sox are planning on staying below tax line, a free agent makes more sense. Never said they must stay below tax line. I don't think they do, but who knows. I think they are just resetting tax for future spending. No. Don't see how you add Martinez and stay under tax line. At the same time it would be hard to get Abreu and stay under tax line. While possible it won't be easy and would really limit moves. I don't trade Groome and Chavis if it gets me to show. I'm a huge Chavis guy though. I also like guys like Duda, Bruce and even Moreland on short-term deals if no Martinez. With a guy like Chavis as insurance, along with Travis. They'd definitely have to move others to avoid the luxury tax and sign Martinez or trade for Abreu. The Sox are now at $197+ on the payroll. Trading for Abreu you know what goes out, $11.5 in 2018 and $12.0 in 2019. Who knows how much J.D. Would command on the open market. He earns $11.75 now and should command more given his productive season and the interest in a big bat league wide. D-Backs will be bidding to retain his services. With the system now depleted, I, too, would hate to part with Groome, Chavis, Mata to get the power bat this team desperately needs. Be nice if Sam Travis could train in the offseason to bring more offense to the position, but I wouldn't count on it. The 197 is this years numbers, not next years number. Guys like Young, Reed, Nunez, Moreland and Davis will come off the books, while some other players will get raises.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 16, 2017 16:16:25 GMT -5
They'd definitely have to move others to avoid the luxury tax and sign Martinez or trade for Abreu. The Sox are now at $197+ on the payroll. Trading for Abreu you know what goes out, $11.5 in 2018 and $12.0 in 2019. Who knows how much J.D. Would command on the open market. He earns $11.75 now and should command more given his productive season and the interest in a big bat league wide. D-Backs will be bidding to retain his services. With the system now depleted, I, too, would hate to part with Groome, Chavis, Mata to get the power bat this team desperately needs. Be nice if Sam Travis could train in the offseason to bring more offense to the position, but I wouldn't count on it. The 197 is this years numbers, not next years number. Guys like Young, Reed, Nunez, Moreland and Davis will come off the books, while some other players will get raises. I guess I am confused here. This year's number is $196. But the total number is $220. I believe I was told by you all guys including Chris here that Castillo and craig numbers do not count against the tax because they are not on the 40 man roster. So that number gets then to 198. But, long term injury also is subtracted because insurance picks up a portion of missed time. I think Smith and Thomburg fit in here. Somewhere in all these numbers they are at 188 something to stay under the 189 tax number. This winter to get a bat it looks like they have to shed some salary. That's why I do not think that Castillo ever gets put on the 40 man. Porcello and Hanley could very likely get traded to provide some cap space, with a portion of their salaries picked up. Interesting idea someone came up with at breakfast this morning. Could the sox redo Pedy's contract and extend it at a lower price per year and give him all the monies left on his contract plus a little more but spread it out over 3 more years?
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 16, 2017 16:41:13 GMT -5
It's highly unlikely that they're staying under the cap next year. And if they don't, they have no business trading for Abreu.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 16, 2017 21:03:46 GMT -5
Unless the Red Sox are going to stay below luxary tax line, we should just sign a bat. JD Martinez would really improve this lineup. He is going to cost a ton, but it's just money. I really hope we don't make any big trades this offseason. I feel we just restocked the system, lets keep that up. You caution that the Sox must stay below the luxury tax line, yet say signing Martinez would cost a ton and "but it's just money" . Color me confused. The dilemma is that Abreu comes with cost certainty at $10,850,000.00 for two years but you lose prospects. J.D. Won't cost you prospects but can you afford what it would take to sign him and avoid the tax penalty? There will be lots of competition for his services. So, do you think the trade is worth it if it gets you to the Show? I don't think they expect to be under next year. From my understanding, they wanted to stay under this year to reset their standing on the sliding penalty scale. With arb raises, they'll almost assuredly be over anyway. More likely, they take the short-term hit on Martinez like umass suggests, and maybe use Castillo as a 4th OF too. Moreland and young go, I expect. Then, by keeping prospects, at the flurry of contract expirations/FAs in a couple years, they can let some big salaries go (Hanley, maybe Porcello, Sandoval expires, etc.). That's my guess...DD seems to favor the "I'll do what I think is most important now and fix the repercussions down the road" approach. Once they reset, they've got a couple of years to prepare to reset again and avoid the harshest penalties (see:Dodgers).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 17, 2017 22:25:46 GMT -5
They'd definitely have to move others to avoid the luxury tax and sign Martinez or trade for Abreu. The Sox are now at $197+ on the payroll. Trading for Abreu you know what goes out, $11.5 in 2018 and $12.0 in 2019. Who knows how much J.D. Would command on the open market. He earns $11.75 now and should command more given his productive season and the interest in a big bat league wide. D-Backs will be bidding to retain his services. With the system now depleted, I, too, would hate to part with Groome, Chavis, Mata to get the power bat this team desperately needs. Be nice if Sam Travis could train in the offseason to bring more offense to the position, but I wouldn't count on it. The 197 is this years numbers, not next years number. Guys like Young, Reed, Nunez, Moreland and Davis will come off the books, while some other players will get raises. Pomeranz, Bogaerts, Bradley, Kelly, Betts, Vazquez, and more are due to get big arb raises next year that are probably going to more than offset the FAs who leave. Here's @redsoxpayroll's spreadsheet, which is a bit easier to use for this than our 40-man page. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zPx_cKCQ7TQjab2kPM4zIhEFSDxrTpLLIEZr2xh5E8g/edit#gid=1603863171They're not going to stay under the CBT next year. That was the whole reason staying under this year was important.
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Post by m1keyboots on Sept 18, 2017 6:10:47 GMT -5
Chris Hatfield had it right there. while the J D Martinez blow-up was impressive I think it's important to remember that he was doing that in Arizona
Stanton coming to Boston is highly unlikely, although if he did he would immediately become a supernova
In my opinion I feel like a khris Davis playing Left Field would do wonders for the power output.
I'm in a hurry to check Google to see Paul Goldschmidt contract, but I think he'd be a perfect fit.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 18, 2017 8:57:27 GMT -5
I'm in a hurry to check Google to see Paul Goldschmidt contract, but I think he'd be a perfect fit. This isn't a shot at you personally, but I always find it funny when someone calls one of the best players alive a good fit or whatever. Of course Goldschmidt would be a perfect fit! He'd be a good fit anywhere that the rules involve a batsman contacting a hurled orb. It's like how Nick Cafardo ran a piece seemingly every week about how good Joe Mauer would be in Fenway Park during a season when he was hitting .365/.444/.587 as a catcher. Anyway, I hope the Diamondbacks decide to hold onto him, for two reasons. First, I'm an old softie who likes when guys end up staying with a team for awhile (not at the expense of their earning or ability to win, of course). And second, and much more importantly - if the Diamondbacks wanted to trade him, the Red Sox really couldn't compete with the packages other teams could put together at this point. Groome, Chavis, Mata, and Houck combined can't compete with whatever the Yankees or Astros would put together. The idea of Goldschmidt on the Yankees is giving me mild panic attacks. Abreu, I think, is a more realistic goal. I think the Red Sox have the pieces to get him, and that the White Sox could/should be willing to move him. I agree with the above that Chavis seems the logical starting point. The White Sox will ask Groome, and I really think the Red Sox will say no unless they have specific reason to be down on him. If the White Sox like Swihart then Abreu is certainly the sort of player I'm looking to move him for. It's probably require a third piece as well. Mata and Houck would be tough to part with as a third piece in a deal for anyone. Shawaryn or Beeks? That's getting into the neighborhood where I'm skittish about the total value going out, but where Abreu fits the roster so well that I might bite the bullet. Does Chavis/Swihart/Shawaryn get it done? Another point - applicable here and really to every possible trade this offseason. The most likely player to be dealt this offseason is Swihart, right? That's not meant to be a hypothetical, if someone has a reason they don't think it's him I want to hear it, because he's a player I really liked. Anyway, I'd guess that opinions around the league about where Swihart stands are pretty varied. If the White Sox aren't big on him, it's going to be a lot harder to piece a deal together. And that's going to be true of any deal the Red Sox are interested in making: if another team considers Swihart a main component, then the organization still has some flexibility. If not, then the math is harder.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 18, 2017 10:49:35 GMT -5
The 197 is this years numbers, not next years number. Guys like Young, Reed, Nunez, Moreland and Davis will come off the books, while some other players will get raises. Pomeranz, Bogaerts, Bradley, Kelly, Betts, Vazquez, and more are due to get big arb raises next year that are probably going to more than offset the FAs who leave. Here's @redsoxpayroll's spreadsheet, which is a bit easier to use for this than our 40-man page. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zPx_cKCQ7TQjab2kPM4zIhEFSDxrTpLLIEZr2xh5E8g/edit#gid=1603863171They're not going to stay under the CBT next year. That was the whole reason staying under this year was important. I've said I don't think they stay below line (see above), but I would have said the same thing at this time last year. As for arbitration numbers, we'll see what they are. I'm not going to try and guess. I will say this they could stay under the tax line if they want to.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 18, 2017 12:35:37 GMT -5
I've said I don't think they stay below line (see above), but I would have said the same thing at this time last year. As for arbitration numbers, we'll see what they are. I'm not going to try and guess. I will say this they could stay under the tax line if they want to. So I wasn't trying to say that I disagreed with you. Not every person who responds to you is trying to argue with you. I was quoting your post because I was trying to make clear that I was continuing that conversation. As for arb, we'll see what MLBTR's projections look like. I also find it tough to get my head around the raises players get. It's all based on comps anyway.
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Post by m1keyboots on Sept 20, 2017 16:54:41 GMT -5
I'm in a hurry to check Google to see Paul Goldschmidt contract, but I think he'd be a perfect fit. This isn't a shot at you personally, but I always find it funny when someone calls one of the best players alive a good fit or whatever. Of course Goldschmidt would be a perfect fit! He'd be a good fit anywhere that the rules involve a batsman contacting a hurled orb. It's like how Nick Cafardo ran a piece seemingly every week about how good Joe Mauer would be in Fenway Park during a season when he was hitting .365/.444/.587 as a catcher. Anyway, I hope the Diamondbacks decide to hold onto him, for two reasons. First, I'm an old softie who likes when guys end up staying with a team for awhile (not at the expense of their earning or ability to win, of course). And second, and much more importantly - if the Diamondbacks wanted to trade him, the Red Sox really couldn't compete with the packages other teams could put together at this point. Groome, Chavis, Mata, and Houck combined can't compete with whatever the Yankees or Astros would put together. The idea of Goldschmidt on the Yankees is giving me mild panic attacks. Abreu, I think, is a more realistic goal. I think the Red Sox have the pieces to get him, and that the White Sox could/should be willing to move him. I agree with the above that Chavis seems the logical starting point. The White Sox will ask Groome, and I really think the Red Sox will say no unless they have specific reason to be down on him. If the White Sox like Swihart then Abreu is certainly the sort of player I'm looking to move him for. It's probably require a third piece as well. Mata and Houck would be tough to part with as a third piece in a deal for anyone. Shawaryn or Beeks? That's getting into the neighborhood where I'm skittish about the total value going out, but where Abreu fits the roster so well that I might bite the bullet. Does Chavis/Swihart/Shawaryn get it done? Another point - applicable here and really to every possible trade this offseason. The most likely player to be dealt this offseason is Swihart, right? That's not meant to be a hypothetical, if someone has a reason they don't think it's him I want to hear it, because he's a player I really liked. Anyway, I'd guess that opinions around the league about where Swihart stands are pretty varied. If the White Sox aren't big on him, it's going to be a lot harder to piece a deal together. And that's going to be true of any deal the Red Sox are interested in making: if another team considers Swihart a main component, then the organization still has some flexibility. If not, then the math is harder. Watching Abreu, he the last three years has seemed to be slumped early, then when rosters expand and the Chisox are 30 games out he ups his homerun and RBI totals. Now I didnt look on any stat page, but I know from memory ir happened last year, and it has definitely happened this year. Also, he at times appears to be a baf defender... and with young guys like Devers and Bogaert's who are I think average defensively with a lot of that having to do with the quality of the first baseman, I wouldn't want to sacrifice some of their defense for an aging "slugger" who has kind of regressed every year he's been in the league. That being said I said Goldy almost tongue in cheek because in a weird way i was happy with moreland at first for 5 mil. Hes going to end up with close to 40 doubles, some walks and 20 homeruns plus. The last few weeks his slash line has been hovering around 250/330/440. I was happy with that snd frankly was expecting more power from a couple other spots in the lineup. Next year I think Devers has a legit shot at 40 doubles and 25 homeruns health willing knock on wood. Also, you mentioned CaFardo. Even his name just brings to mind all those Boston writers who have a negative slant on everything Sox players do. If Mookie, Jackie or Beni wer hitting 20 points higher (equivalent of 10 more dinks, infield hits et) people might instead of wondering where "the power went without Papi". It feels like Mooks would be applauded for ending up with close to 80 extra base hits, and 25 steals. I also said Goldie because Trader Dave has the wherewithal to make big deals whether they work out or not. Although let me say I do respect your liking or wanting Goldie to stay in Arizona. I like and want that for some players too, example trout or Harper
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 20, 2017 21:12:08 GMT -5
This isn't a shot at you personally, but I always find it funny when someone calls one of the best players alive a good fit or whatever. Of course Goldschmidt would be a perfect fit! He'd be a good fit anywhere that the rules involve a batsman contacting a hurled orb. It's like how Nick Cafardo ran a piece seemingly every week about how good Joe Mauer would be in Fenway Park during a season when he was hitting .365/.444/.587 as a catcher. Anyway, I hope the Diamondbacks decide to hold onto him, for two reasons. First, I'm an old softie who likes when guys end up staying with a team for awhile (not at the expense of their earning or ability to win, of course). And second, and much more importantly - if the Diamondbacks wanted to trade him, the Red Sox really couldn't compete with the packages other teams could put together at this point. Groome, Chavis, Mata, and Houck combined can't compete with whatever the Yankees or Astros would put together. The idea of Goldschmidt on the Yankees is giving me mild panic attacks. Abreu, I think, is a more realistic goal. I think the Red Sox have the pieces to get him, and that the White Sox could/should be willing to move him. I agree with the above that Chavis seems the logical starting point. The White Sox will ask Groome, and I really think the Red Sox will say no unless they have specific reason to be down on him. If the White Sox like Swihart then Abreu is certainly the sort of player I'm looking to move him for. It's probably require a third piece as well. Mata and Houck would be tough to part with as a third piece in a deal for anyone. Shawaryn or Beeks? That's getting into the neighborhood where I'm skittish about the total value going out, but where Abreu fits the roster so well that I might bite the bullet. Does Chavis/Swihart/Shawaryn get it done? Another point - applicable here and really to every possible trade this offseason. The most likely player to be dealt this offseason is Swihart, right? That's not meant to be a hypothetical, if someone has a reason they don't think it's him I want to hear it, because he's a player I really liked. Anyway, I'd guess that opinions around the league about where Swihart stands are pretty varied. If the White Sox aren't big on him, it's going to be a lot harder to piece a deal together. And that's going to be true of any deal the Red Sox are interested in making: if another team considers Swihart a main component, then the organization still has some flexibility. If not, then the math is harder. Watching Abreu, he the last three years has seemed to be slumped early, then when rosters expand and the Chisox are 30 games out he ups his homerun and RBI totals. Now I didnt look on any stat page, but I know from memory ir happened last year, and it has definitely happened this year. Also, he at times appears to be a baf defender... and with young guys like Devers and Bogaert's who are I think average defensively with a lot of that having to do with the quality of the first baseman, I wouldn't want to sacrifice some of their defense for an aging "slugger" who has kind of regressed every year he's been in the league. That being said I said Goldy almost tongue in cheek because in a weird way i was happy with moreland at first for 5 mil. Hes going to end up with close to 40 doubles, some walks and 20 homeruns plus. The last few weeks his slash line has been hovering around 250/330/440. I was happy with that snd frankly was expecting more power from a couple other spots in the lineup. Next year I think Devers has a legit shot at 40 doubles and 25 homeruns health willing knock on wood. Also, you mentioned CaFardo. Even his name just brings to mind all those Boston writers who have a negative slant on everything Sox players do. If Mookie, Jackie or Beni wer hitting 20 points higher (equivalent of 10 more dinks, infield hits et) people might instead of wondering where "the power went without Papi". It feels like Mooks would be applauded for ending up with close to 80 extra base hits, and 25 steals. I also said Goldie because Trader Dave has the wherewithal to make big deals whether they work out or not. Although let me say I do respect your liking or wanting Goldie to stay in Arizona. I like and want that for some players too, example trout or Harper Abreu will probably not be a GG candidate, but, in what galaxy do you define his production as "kind of regressed every year he's been in the league"? Need numbers, please. Is 30 yrs. old "aging"? Well, I guess it's not 29. Your fantasy for GoldSchmidt us well chronicled here. Keep on dreamin'.
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