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Jose Abreu
Sept 21, 2017 8:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by m1keyboots on Sept 21, 2017 8:22:18 GMT -5
Watching Abreu, he the last three years has seemed to be slumped early, then when rosters expand and the Chisox are 30 games out he ups his homerun and RBI totals. Now I didnt look on any stat page, but I know from memory ir happened last year, and it has definitely happened this year. Also, he at times appears to be a baf defender... and with young guys like Devers and Bogaert's who are I think average defensively with a lot of that having to do with the quality of the first baseman, I wouldn't want to sacrifice some of their defense for an aging "slugger" who has kind of regressed every year he's been in the league. That being said I said Goldy almost tongue in cheek because in a weird way i was happy with moreland at first for 5 mil. Hes going to end up with close to 40 doubles, some walks and 20 homeruns plus. The last few weeks his slash line has been hovering around 250/330/440. I was happy with that snd frankly was expecting more power from a couple other spots in the lineup. Next year I think Devers has a legit shot at 40 doubles and 25 homeruns health willing knock on wood. Also, you mentioned CaFardo. Even his name just brings to mind all those Boston writers who have a negative slant on everything Sox players do. If Mookie, Jackie or Beni wer hitting 20 points higher (equivalent of 10 more dinks, infield hits et) people might instead of wondering where "the power went without Papi". It feels like Mooks would be applauded for ending up with close to 80 extra base hits, and 25 steals. I also said Goldie because Trader Dave has the wherewithal to make big deals whether they work out or not. Although let me say I do respect your liking or wanting Goldie to stay in Arizona. I like and want that for some players too, example trout or Harper Abreu will probably not be a GG candidate, but, in what galaxy do you define his production as "kind of regressed every year he's been in the league"? Need numbers, please. Is 30 yrs. old "aging"? Well, I guess it's not 29. Your fantasy for GoldSchmidt us well chronicled here. Keep on dreamin'. Ok fine. His slugging percentage, batting average, doubles, and HRs (with increases in playe appearances each year,) WAR, and rbi totals all dropped his first three years into the league. Before this year, where he was still on the downslide, but has had a great second half surge back toward his first year numbers (with the Chisox way out of first and playing for nothing but I already mentioned that didn't i?) Im not a huge believer in war, but you asked for numbers. Also, hes walked 35 times this year. Would that fit well into what the Bosox lineup does? I dont know. I don't think any Redsox player these days through 700 plate appearances is going to be at 35 walks. His chase rate is 35% (career 38%) and hes grounded into 20 double plays each of the last 2 years. This ain't a knock on Abreu. That wasnt what I was trying to do. Was just saying let someone else pay the man the money he'll be asking for while we should be trying to pay the young people we have maybe. Dude is a great hitter who has a high contact percentages and can still pull the ball, but he'll be well into his age 31 season next year, and likely will want a raise from 10 mil. If the Sox are going to pay anyone that type of money id want him to be the consensue best, or top 2. Would you not agree Paul is a top defender, hitter and basreunner at his position? Is that what you want?, to pay Jose 25 or so mil a year for 5 or 6 years into his age 37 season? I dont know. I can't tell from your post because you just asked for some numbers and agreed "jose won't be winning any gold gloves" Also whats with saying I have a fantasy about Goldschmidt because I had mentioned him tongue in cheek once before this thread? Did you have anything else to contribute to the discussion apart from a few jabs and a "gimme some numbers I dont believe you?" Anyway,thread getting long. Don't know why I replied to such a benign comment, sorry posters for taking up space Edit, sorry his batting average didn't drop three straight years. It hovered at 290, 293 his second and third season. Like many of you I'm at work, talk texting. Trying to get my daily baseball fix, staring holes at Mookies defensive runs saved, wishing it to hop above 32 for that GG they could rob him of.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 21, 2017 13:11:58 GMT -5
Abreu is under contract for two more years at 11 m per. He won't be asking for any more money until his contract is close to finished.
At the end of the 2019 season the GM can explore his options, including internal possibilities, before offering Abreu an extension.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 4, 2017 17:47:10 GMT -5
Abreu is under contract for two more years at 11 m per. He won't be asking for any more money until his contract is close to finished. At the end of the 2019 season the GM can explore his options, including internal possibilities, before offering Abreu an extension. The organization is, IMO, sort of in a tough place currently. We do not have a lot of room with respect to the cap, although I do expect them to exceed it. Our farm system is some what hurting and needs replenishing. Trading for Stanton sounds good, but I worry about our ability to extend our young players and have any flexibility over the next several years. I personally don't see us doing that, but with DD anything is possible. Martinez is going to cost lots of dollars, and I do like him to continue to rake for the next 3 years or so. Again the cap is a problem. DD has not only traded some of our best prospects and depleted the farm, but has also increased salary and hurt our flexibility. I'd rather not spend $23 to $25 million per year for a hitter, but strongly go after Jose Abreu. His contract is much easier to absorb and he would give us a solid power hitter in a position we need upgraded. With the money saved by not going BIG (Stanton, Martinez), we should resign Nunez and a reliable relief pitcher. I like Jake McGee because he is a power lefty. Nunez would solve our problem with Pedy out for at least the 1st 2 months of the year and along with Abreu lengthen the line-up considerably. Now if we could sign JD Martinez for just 5 years at $20 million per year, I can definitely be persuaded...but I doubt that will do it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, should ever have a 10 year contract. I'm looking at you Stanton! I'm hoping DD makes one of his key goals to make our farm system once again a machine of spitting out talent year after year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 5, 2017 5:52:47 GMT -5
Abreu is under contract for two more years at 11 m per. He won't be asking for any more money until his contract is close to finished. At the end of the 2019 season the GM can explore his options, including internal possibilities, before offering Abreu an extension. The organization is, IMO, sort of in a tough place currently. We do not have a lot of room with respect to the cap, although I do expect them to exceed it. Our farm system is some what hurting and needs replenishing. Trading for Stanton sounds good, but I worry about our ability to extend our young players and have any flexibility over the next several years. I personally don't see us doing that, but with DD anything is possible. Martinez is going to cost lots of dollars, and I do like him to continue to rake for the next 3 years or so. Again the cap is a problem. DD has not only traded some of our best prospects and depleted the farm, but has also increased salary and hurt our flexibility. I'd rather not spend $23 to $25 million per year for a hitter, but strongly go after Jose Abreu. His contract is much easier to absorb and he would give us a solid power hitter in a position we need upgraded. With the money saved by not going BIG (Stanton, Martinez), we should resign Nunez and a reliable relief pitcher. I like Jake McGee because he is a power lefty. Nunez would solve our problem with Pedy out for at least the 1st 2 months of the year and along with Abreu lengthen the line-up considerably. Now if we could sign JD Martinez for just 5 years at $20 million per year, I can definitely be persuaded...but I doubt that will do it. Nobody, and I mean nobody, should ever have a 10 year contract. I'm looking at you Stanton! I'm hoping DD makes one of his key goals to make our farm system once again a machine of spitting out talent year after year. You can't blame DD for Sandoval and Ramirez. Those two are like 40 million. DD didn't give Porcello 20 million a year, he actually traded him to us when he was with Tigers. Sale, Price and Kimbrel make the same as those 3, Actually they make less total. DD didn't make a ton of our young guys get raises, that's just how it works. If you worry about a depleted system is trading a bunch of prospects the best thing to do? How can he make the farm a key goal when trading for Abreu? I really like the player, but he is going to cost a ton. His below market rate contract that you love drives up his price. I also don't think the cap is a big problem.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 2, 2017 22:45:00 GMT -5
The 197 is this years numbers, not next years number. Guys like Young, Reed, Nunez, Moreland and Davis will come off the books, while some other players will get raises. I guess I am confused here. This year's number is $196. But the total number is $220. I believe I was told by you all guys including Chris here that Castillo and craig numbers do not count against the tax because they are not on the 40 man roster. So that number gets then to 198. But, long term injury also is subtracted because insurance picks up a portion of missed time. I think Smith and Thomburg fit in here. Somewhere in all these numbers they are at 188 something to stay under the 189 tax number. This winter to get a bat it looks like they have to shed some salary. That's why I do not think that Castillo ever gets put on the 40 man. Porcello and Hanley could very likely get traded to provide some cap space, with a portion of their salaries picked up. Interesting idea someone came up with at breakfast this morning. Could the sox redo Pedy's contract and extend it at a lower price per year and give him all the monies left on his contract plus a little more but spread it out over 3 more years? The players union would never allow it. Remember A-rod for all the hate Boston fans have for him was willing to take a pay cut to play in Boston but the union would not allow it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2017 23:02:28 GMT -5
I guess I am confused here. This year's number is $196. But the total number is $220. I believe I was told by you all guys including Chris here that Castillo and craig numbers do not count against the tax because they are not on the 40 man roster. So that number gets then to 198. But, long term injury also is subtracted because insurance picks up a portion of missed time. I think Smith and Thomburg fit in here. Somewhere in all these numbers they are at 188 something to stay under the 189 tax number. This winter to get a bat it looks like they have to shed some salary. That's why I do not think that Castillo ever gets put on the 40 man. Porcello and Hanley could very likely get traded to provide some cap space, with a portion of their salaries picked up. Interesting idea someone came up with at breakfast this morning. Could the sox redo Pedy's contract and extend it at a lower price per year and give him all the monies left on his contract plus a little more but spread it out over 3 more years? The players union would never allow it. Remember A-rod for all the hate Boston fans have for him was willing to take a pay cut to play in Boston but the union would not allow it. Why not? ARod wanted to give back money, he is saying to pay Pedroia everything and more, but extend his contract to lower the AAV
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 3, 2017 0:29:08 GMT -5
The players union would never allow it. Remember A-rod for all the hate Boston fans have for him was willing to take a pay cut to play in Boston but the union would not allow it. Why not? ARod wanted to give back money, he is saying to pay Pedroia everything and more, but extend his contract to lower the AAV That's what they will not allow. Why? ask them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 3, 2017 1:04:11 GMT -5
Why not? ARod wanted to give back money, he is saying to pay Pedroia everything and more, but extend his contract to lower the AAV That's what they will not allow. Why? ask them. When have they not allowed an extension that adds money, but lowers the AAV? That is not what ARod wanted to do. He wanted to give up money, lower the total dollar amount and the AAV. That is reducing the amount of money guaranteed to the players. The ARod thing makes total sense.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 3, 2017 19:04:44 GMT -5
The current AAV on Pedroia's deal is 13.75M. He's got $56M left over the next four years, so $14M/year. It takes him through his age 37 season.
I just can't see how that idea is even practical. Even if you took literally the same money and added 2 years, which they'd never get away with and Pedroia would never agree to do, you're dropping it to $9.33M AAV, which in those later years is going to be even more of an albatross than his contract is right now. It's just not even worth it for what he's making, which, again, is not very much in the grand scheme of things (consider that even Mark Trumbo got 12.5M AAV last year and that Neil Walker got and accepted the QO at 17.2M).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2017 0:28:16 GMT -5
It's not really practical with Pedroia because you need to add money and he makes very little. I was just saying you could do that, not that it made sense or that you should.
You could add 3 years and lets say 24 million to Ramirez's deal. Cut his AAV in half basically. If doesn't make much sense, but it could happen. The player union isn't going to stop a new contract that adds more money, just because it lowers the AAV.
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Post by jmei on Dec 4, 2017 9:10:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure extending Ramirez lowers his AAV for luxury tax purposes on his current contract. I don't think the CBA contemplates "recalculating" AAV once an extension is signed if it only adds to money that is already guaranteed. Someone with more time than me can check the CBA on that.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 4, 2017 10:49:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure extending Ramirez lowers his AAV for luxury tax purposes on his current contract. I don't think the CBA contemplates "recalculating" AAV once an extension is signed if it only adds to money that is already guaranteed. Someone with more time than me can check the CBA on that. I dunno, why wouldn't it? Signing an extension changes the contract, and therefore the AAV calculation. That said, it would probably recalculate for the ENTIRE contract, rather than the years remaining, so again, you're probably not going to move the needle much. Not quite sure what umassgrad was suggesting precisely, but there are two ways to interpret it: Extension of 3/24 buys out his option year: contract becomes a 7 year, $112M deal with an AAV of $16M. Extension of 3/24 tacked on to now-guaranteed option year: contract becomes an 8-year, $134M deal with an AAV of $16.75M I don't think the contract would become, say, a 4/46 or 5/68 contract for AAV purposes. His current deal carries an AAV of $22M. I guess that $6M now could be useful, but is it worth being on the hook for a $16M AAV for 35-37yo Hanley? I would say no, it wouldn't. I also don't think Hanley would agree to a 3/24 extension, for what it's worth. Edwin got 5/60 last year entering his age 34 season. Kendrys Morales got 3/33 entering the same. Beltran got 1/16 at age 40 and Bautista got 1/18 at age 37. If Hanley thinks he's healthy and will be productive, he'll think his option is going to vest and he's going to make 2/44 over the next two years, and he'd be in line for another short contract at like $10m annually after that. His accepting the sort of extension proposed would be if he's pessimistic about his future... in which case you're creating an even worse albatross deal down the road. This is why MLB never sees these kind of reworked deals, or at least hasn't in the past - the big FA contracts are signed so late in a player's career that there's no incentive on one side or the other to extend them and cut the AAV. However, now that we're seeing a crew of excellent, young players signing large-ish money extensions to buy out their arbitration and early FA years, maybe we'll see that start to happen. I don't see any candidates on the Red Sox right now, though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2017 11:08:58 GMT -5
My point was simply that it could be done and that's not what ARod was trying to do. You don't see it because there is no salary cap. In Baseball you can always add more talent, you would only be lowering the tax amount. It won't be like Brady reworking his deal to help the team add talent or KD taking a below market deal so they can bring the whole team back.
EE got 3 years 60 million, with an option for a 4 year if I remember right. So it doesn't make sense for Hanley or the team really. It was a bad example when there weren't any good ones.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 4, 2017 18:20:50 GMT -5
Sorry, no idea how I got that number wrong. Was using ESPN's FA tracker and must've read across wrong. Anyway, EE got 3/60, which includes his signing bonus and buyout for year 4 (each $5M).
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 8, 2017 13:42:31 GMT -5
ESPN posited that a possible trade for Abreu at the winter meetings would be Groome and Netzer. Netzer isn’t the kind of prospect you worry about losing, but I’m still not sure that I’m willing to give up one of the only legitimate prospects that we have left.
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Post by artfuldodger on Dec 8, 2017 14:17:11 GMT -5
The more extended comment from Bradford Doolittle in a conversation with David Schoenfield was "You could argue that the White Sox might want to further populate their stash of corner infield prospects if Abreu is dealt, but that depends on how they evaluate the relative potential of Groome and Chavis. Groome and a lower-level prospect -- let's say 2017 draftee Brett Netzer -- gets it done." Both agreed that the White Sox would not have interest in JBJ because the White Sox have Luis Robert and Blake Rutherford as long-term possibilities at center field.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 8, 2017 16:13:19 GMT -5
The two teams talked trade, then the White Sox say they aren't trading him. Making it sound like they can't get what they want for him. My guess is they want more like Groome and Chavis. Trading for him will cost a ton. Even without Chavis I bet they want a better second piece and a third piece equal to Netzer. After Stanton is traded and Martinez signs, he is clearly the next top bat available. Two years at below market rate, compared to the massive contracts of Stanton and Martinez.
We need to save the farm, not keep draining it.
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Jose Abreu
Jan 27, 2018 19:57:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 19:57:14 GMT -5
This is the player that should be wearing a Red Sox uniform right now. he cost 13 million dollars this year is arbitration available next year. Chris Sale cost us Yoan Moncada Michael Kopech Victor Diaz and Luis Alexander Basabe.So I'm going to start there for Jose Abreu. I offer Darwinzon Hernandez Lorenzo Cedrola Ty Buttrey Kervin Suarez for Abreu .
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 27, 2018 20:54:13 GMT -5
This is the player that should be wearing a Red Sox uniform right now. he cost 13 million dollars this year is arbitration available next year. Chris Sale cost us Yoan Moncada Michael Kopech Victor Diaz and Luis Alexander Basabe.So I'm going to start there for Jose Abreu. I offer Darwinzon Hernandez Lorenzo Cedrola Ty Buttrey Kervin Suarez for Abreu . And the White Sox laugh at you and say no friggin way. Think Jason Groome, Michael Chavis plus a couple of others. The White Sox aren't dumping Abreu for a bunch of C prospects.
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Post by manfred on Jan 27, 2018 23:55:08 GMT -5
This is the player that should be wearing a Red Sox uniform right now. he cost 13 million dollars this year is arbitration available next year. Chris Sale cost us Yoan Moncada Michael Kopech Victor Diaz and Luis Alexander Basabe.So I'm going to start there for Jose Abreu. I offer Darwinzon Hernandez Lorenzo Cedrola Ty Buttrey Kervin Suarez for Abreu . And the White Sox laugh at you and say no friggin way. Think Jason Groome, Michael Chavis plus a couple of others. The White Sox aren't dumping Abreu for a bunch of C prospects. I might do Groome and Chavis for Abreu. I like both those guys, but a) I’m always (ALWAYS) willing to trade young, low-level minor league arms. They are so risky, I prefer proven commodities. As for Chavis, I think he can be good. I don’t think he canbe Abreu good, and that is ifhe reaches his ceiling. And... as for the opportunity cost: maybe the Sox can get a different return, but Abreu seems to be a particular fit. Now... what on top of those two? That might go too far. Still, I don’t play for 2022.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 28, 2018 0:27:46 GMT -5
And the White Sox laugh at you and say no friggin way. Think Jason Groome, Michael Chavis plus a couple of others. The White Sox aren't dumping Abreu for a bunch of C prospects. I might do Groome and Chavis for Abreu. I like both those guys, but a) I’m always (ALWAYS) willing to trade young, low-level minor league arms. They are so risky, I prefer proven commodities. As for Chavis, I think he can be good. I don’t think he canbe Abreu good, and that is ifhe reaches his ceiling. And... as for the opportunity cost: maybe the Sox can get a different return, but Abreu seems to be a particular fit. Now... what on top of those two? That might go too far. Still, I don’t play for 2022. I could see Hernandez as a 3rd piece in a deal for Abreu. I wouldn't prefer to see the Sox deal Groome and Chavis and a piece like Hernandez plus another in a deal for Abreu, but I can understand the logic of doing the deal. However, the way the Sox are constructed, with Hanley being a 1b/dh and having Moreland at 1b, and OF/DH makes more sense to me. All things equal, I'd much prefer to pay an extra year for JDM than to lose Groome and Chavis in a deal for a 2 year rental like Abreu. As in Martinez, even at an overpay + Chavis + Groome > Abreu - Chavis - Groome + financial flexibility IMO anyways.
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Post by manfred on Jan 28, 2018 0:55:54 GMT -5
I might do Groome and Chavis for Abreu. I like both those guys, but a) I’m always (ALWAYS) willing to trade young, low-level minor league arms. They are so risky, I prefer proven commodities. As for Chavis, I think he can be good. I don’t think he canbe Abreu good, and that is ifhe reaches his ceiling. And... as for the opportunity cost: maybe the Sox can get a different return, but Abreu seems to be a particular fit. Now... what on top of those two? That might go too far. Still, I don’t play for 2022. I could see Hernandez as a 3rd piece in a deal for Abreu. I wouldn't prefer to see the Sox deal Groome and Chavis and a piece like Hernandez plus another in a deal for Abreu, but I can understand the logic of doing the deal. However, the way the Sox are constructed, with Hanley being a 1b/dh and having Moreland at 1b, and OF/DH makes more sense to me. All things equal, I'd much prefer to pay an extra year for JDM than to lose Groome and Chavis in a deal for a 2 year rental like Abreu. As in Martinez, even at an overpay + Chavis + Groome > Abreu - Chavis - Groome + financial flexibility IMO anyways. This I agree with. I guess I was thinking independent of getting JD or in the event of lising him definitively.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 28, 2018 1:34:50 GMT -5
Dombrowski has already said that they are staying away from first baseman after the Moreland signing. It basically has no chance of happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 6:18:02 GMT -5
Here is my thinking on my offer of Hernandez Cedrola Buttrey and Suarez. On this website these are C-level prospects but on other websites and publications Hernandez is ranked as high as 7th Cedrola is 9th and Suarez was voted most athletic in the system. Dombrowski may have said that he wouldn't go for first baseman since sign in Moreland but I don't want Abreu as a full timefirst baseman I want him as a DH and sometime platoon at first base against lefties . I'm not doing Hernandez as a third piece I believe he's too valuable.Again the Sox gave the White Sox Moncada Kopech Basabe and Diaz for Chris Sale.And at the time of the Sale trade Moncada was number one Kopech was number 5 Basabe was number seven and Diaz wasn't in the top 20. Sale had 3 years of controlled where Abreu only has two so his value isn't as high as Sale's. but I may come back and say well we'll take James Shields in the trade. James Shields will make 21 million in 2018. 2019 Shields is supposed to get 16 million but he has a two-million-dollar buyout. Then Joakim Soria who will make nine million this year and in 2019 has a 1 million dollar buyout.Now here's the new offer; Chicago gets Hernandez Cedrola Suarez and Buttrey Boston gets Abreu Shields and/or Soria.
Abreu gives Boston a DH and first baseman at 10 to 12 million dollars cheaper than JDM. Shields gives us insurance for ERod until he's ready and if Steven Wright gets suspended. Soria could give us insurance for the eighth inning even though we have tons of reliever types in the minors.
And there's always a chance of making something happen .
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 28, 2018 10:02:28 GMT -5
Here is my thinking on my offer of Hernandez Cedrola Buttrey and Suarez. On this website these are C-level prospects but on other websites and publications Hernandez is ranked as high as 7th Cedrola is 9th and Suarez was voted most athletic in the system. Dombrowski may have said that he wouldn't go for first baseman since sign in Moreland but I don't want Abreu as a full timefirst baseman I want him as a DH and sometime platoon at first base against lefties . I'm not doing Hernandez as a third piece I believe he's too valuable.Again the Sox gave the White Sox Moncada Kopech Basabe and Diaz for Chris Sale.And at the time of the Sale trade Moncada was number one Kopech was number 5 Basabe was number seven and Diaz wasn't in the top 20. Sale had 3 years of controlled where Abreu only has two so his value isn't as high as Sale's. but I may come back and say well we'll take James Shields in the trade. James Shields will make 21 million in 2018. 2019 Shields is supposed to get 16 million but he has a two-million-dollar buyout. Then Joakim Soria who will make nine million this year and in 2019 has a 1 million dollar buyout.Now here's the new offer; Chicago gets Hernandez Cedrola Suarez and Buttrey Boston gets Abreu Shields and/or Soria. Abreu gives Boston a DH and first baseman at 10 to 12 million dollars cheaper than JDM. Shields gives us insurance for ERod until he's ready and if Steven Wright gets suspended. Soria could give us insurance for the eighth inning even though we have tons of reliever types in the minors. And there's always a chance of making something happen . But look at what the White Sox have done in just about every deal. They got highly rated prospects, guys that were in the top 50. They got Gialito in the Eaton deal along with some other highly regarded pitcher whose names escapes me at the moment. They got a top prospect in Rutherford as their key target in the Frazier/Kahnle/Robertson deal. They got the #1 (arguably) prospect in Moncada and the #1 pitching prospect (arguably) in Kopech for Sale. None of those guys you mentioned are guys that even crack the top 100 prospects lists. Sure they could be interested in Hernandez, but as a 3rd piece perhaps. I'm pretty sure they'd want back a guy who's among the top 25 prospects in the game for a cost controlled (bargain contract) proven power hitter like Abreu who would impact two pennant races. It's about collecting young up and coming talent for the White Sox, not just dumping salary. There are even rumors that they could be one of the teams going for Machado or perhaps even JD Martinez. The White Sox think they will be a good team sooner than later as these kids develop. Bottom line the White Sox aren't giving up Abreu unless they're wowed by the offer. And the Red Sox signed Moreland when it became obvious to them that they didn't want to meet Hosmer/Boras' demands and the cost for Abreu in a deal was going to be higher than they wanted to pay.
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