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2018 Red Sox roster building
ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 11, 2017 14:31:15 GMT -5
I apologize for not reading the thread so far ...
Major post-season moves in the order of obviousness.
Sign J.D. Martinez as a FA to become the new regular DH. He's better than even a healthy Hanley Ramirez. Based on the trade market for him and the general trend towards better OF defense, he'll come at a bargain price. And he has a track record with DDo.
Re-sign Mitch Moreland to play 1B. I love Eric Hosmer. He has a perfect Fenway swing, he consistently hits in the clutch, and if you can solve the good-year, bad-year pattern (which might be a matter of conditioning, as it was with Josh Beckett), he's a genuine star.
Is the upgrade from Moreland to him worth a draft pick and a boatload of cash that you'll need to extend the young core? No. Not close, because Moreland will come way cheap because all the Statistically Correct quants at other organizations will project him based on his season stats, including his broken-toe stretch, which has no predictive power at all. Plus, you're not blockng Travis, Chavis, and/or Ockimey.
Keep Hanley Ramirez as the 10th guy. He's both your platoon 1B and virtual 4th OFer, via Martinez playing LF and RF. So he essentially fills the Chris Young bench spot. Hanley instead of Young as 10th man allows you to give all three OFers more rest, and it protects you against injuries to five different guys.
Chris Young got 65 starts this year. A healthy Hanley should be able to get 85 to 95 even if no one gets hurt -- 55 at 1B vs LHP, and 7-10 spelling each of the other 4 guys he backs up. That should be enough to keep him happy. This makes vastly more sense than dumping him and paying him to play for someone else.
I'd even try him at 3B in ST. If he's OK there, that's 7-10 more starts he can get, spelling Devers. Holt's not a good defender at 3B; it's easy to imagine Hanley being just as good overall there.
If Pedroia is even 50/50 for needing knee surgery, do it, but don't re-sign Eduardo Nunez. He's really a horrendous defender at 2B and SS. He's turned himself into a good starting MLB 3B, and someone will want him for that job. In the meantime, it's unclear that a gimpy Pedroia is that much better than a combo of Lin and Holt, a combo of Hernandez and Holt, or a Holt / Marrero platoon. In the long run, of course, it's a win. You want a post-season Pedey who's 100%.
Minor moves in the order of importance.
Select both Brentz and Castillo to the 40-man. OK, not actually the most important, but the most obvious, since both have value that will be lost, with no return, if they're not added.
Try to trade Brian Johnson and acquire a LHR. Right now, the LHRs in the pen look like Johnson and Robby Scott. Johnson is also the 7th guy on the SP depth chart, but with Hector Velazquez and Jalen Beeks in Pawtucket, and the possibility of Henry Owens and Roenis Elias not sucking, he's of little value in that role. But there are teams that could see him as a potential 5th starter. What he can fetch in trade would appear to be more valuable than what he brings to us. A LHR who was of the caliber of Joe Kelly -- a guy who could pitch in the 7th on occasion -- would add some needed depth while we wait for Tyler Thornburg to get healthy. And it would allow Scott to ride the shuttle to Pawtucket when the rest of the staff is healthy.
If you can't deal Johnson in the offseason, think about adding the LHR anyway and dealing him later. Although that's a tricky, tough, decision.
Sort out the last spot on the bench in ST. You should have Swihart and Brentz both out of options and Castillo seemingly too expensive to send back to AAA. An injury to Moreland, Martinez, Ramirez, Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Vazquez, or Leon will open up a roster spot for both Swihart and Brentz. In the meantime, you're hoping to trade one or the other for some actual value. Swihart, if on the team, catches one of the pitchers plus in blowouts. If you can trade him in ST and Brentz is the 4th guy, he gets some starts vs. LHP, spelling Benny and JBJ. But Swihart is the guy whose trade value you really want to try to maximize.
Meanwhile, Castillo's contact is a sunk cost. It should have no effect on how you use him. If he's on option, he'll see some MLB PT because of injuries. He's the likely guy to add to the bench if you're able to trade Swihart (or Brentz) mid-season. He'll take over Hanley's roster spot in 2019 and be an asset, or he'll acquire some very solid trade value. (If someone wants him now as a starting CF, and you can get a good AAA OFer as part of a solid return, of course you do that.)
Deal Heath Hembree for whatever. He's so far down the depth chart that his value is minimal, and you need the 40-man roster spot.
Keep Deven Marrero around until at least ST. He might have a roster spot if Pedey goes under the knife.
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Post by possum on Oct 11, 2017 16:46:06 GMT -5
Hanley will be a major distraction in the role you outlined above as he will be looking for regular playing to get AB's to kick in option year.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2017 17:01:06 GMT -5
I'd like to see the Venn Diagram of those ready to drag Pedroia right now and those who expect loyalty from a free agent. Pedroia is the heart and soul of this team and gives 100% of what he has whenever he plays. Dumping him or trading him is heresy to me.
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Post by jiant2520 on Oct 11, 2017 17:27:08 GMT -5
I apologize for not reading the thread so far ... Major post-season moves in the order of obviousness. Sign J.D. Martinez as a FA to become the new regular DH. He's better than even a healthy Hanley Ramirez. Based on the trade market for him and the general trend towards better OF defense, he'll come at a bargain price. And he has a track record with DDo. Re-sign Mitch Moreland to play 1B. I love Eric Hosmer. He has a perfect Fenway swing, he consistently hits in the clutch, and if you can solve the good-year, bad-year pattern (which might be a matter of conditioning, as it was with Josh Beckett), he's a genuine star. Is the upgrade from Moreland to him worth a draft pick and a boatload of cash that you'll need to extend the young core? No. Not close, because Moreland will come way cheap because all the Statistically Correct quants at other organizations will project him based on his season stats, including his broken-toe stretch, which has no predictive power at all. Plus, you're not blockng Travis, Chavis, and/or Ockimey. Keep Hanley Ramirez as the 10th guy. He's both your platoon 1B and virtual 4th OFer, via Martinez playing LF and RF. So he essentially fills the Chris Young bench spot. Hanley instead of Young as 10th man allows you to give all three OFers more rest, and it protects you against injuries to five different guys. Chris Young got 65 starts this year. A healthy Hanley should be able to get 85 to 95 even if no one gets hurt -- 55 at 1B vs LHP, and 7-10 spelling each of the other 4 guys he backs up. That should be enough to keep him happy. This makes vastly more sense than dumping him and paying him to play for someone else. I'd even try him at 3B in ST. If he's OK there, that's 7-10 more starts he can get, spelling Devers. Holt's not a good defender at 3B; it's easy to imagine Hanley being just as good overall there. If Pedroia is even 50/50 for needing knee surgery, do it, but don't re-sign Eduardo Nunez. He's really a horrendous defender at 2B and SS. He's turned himself into a good starting MLB 3B, and someone will want him for that job. In the meantime, it's unclear that a gimpy Pedroia is that much better than a combo of Lin and Holt, a combo of Hernandez and Holt, or a Holt / Marrero platoon. In the long run, of course, it's a win. You want a post-season Pedey who's 100%. Minor moves in the order of importance.
Select both Brentz and Castillo to the 40-man. OK, not actually the most important, but the most obvious, since both have value that will be lost, with no return, if they're not added. Try to trade Brian Johnson and acquire a LHR. Right now, the LHRs in the pen look like Johnson and Robby Scott. Johnson is also the 7th guy on the SP depth chart, but with Hector Velazquez and Jalen Beeks in Pawtucket, and the possibility of Henry Owens and Roenis Elias not sucking, he's of little value in that role. But there are teams that could see him as a potential 5th starter. What he can fetch in trade would appear to be more valuable than what he brings to us. A LHR who was of the caliber of Joe Kelly -- a guy who could pitch in the 7th on occasion -- would add some needed depth while we wait for Tyler Thornburg to get healthy. And it would allow Scott to ride the shuttle to Pawtucket when the rest of the staff is healthy. If you can't deal Johnson in the offseason, think about adding the LHR anyway and dealing him later. Although that's a tricky, tough, decision. Sort out the last spot on the bench in ST. You should have Swihart and Brentz both out of options and Castillo seemingly too expensive to send back to AAA. An injury to Moreland, Martinez, Ramirez, Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Vazquez, or Leon will open up a roster spot for both Swihart and Brentz. In the meantime, you're hoping to trade one or the other for some actual value. Swihart, if on the team, catches one of the pitchers plus in blowouts. If you can trade him in ST and Brentz is the 4th guy, he gets some starts vs. LHP, spelling Benny and JBJ. But Swihart is the guy whose trade value you really want to try to maximize. Meanwhile, Castillo's contact is a sunk cost. It should have no effect on how you use him. If he's on option, he'll see some MLB PT because of injuries. He's the likely guy to add to the bench if you're able to trade Swihart (or Brentz) mid-season. He'll take over Hanley's roster spot in 2019 and be an asset, or he'll acquire some very solid trade value. (If someone wants him now as a starting CF, and you can get a good AAA OFer as part of a solid return, of course you do that.) Deal Heath Hembree for whatever. He's so far down the depth chart that his value is minimal, and you need the 40-man roster spot. Keep Deven Marrero around until at least ST. He might have a roster spot if Pedey goes under the knife. I'd be ok with all of this, adding Dozier would be awesome though, but I'd be ok with your thoughts. JD Martinez is the key this offseason for me.
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Post by soxfando on Oct 11, 2017 18:06:13 GMT -5
If Pedroia is even 50/50 for needing knee surgery, do it, but don't re-sign Eduardo Nunez. He's really a horrendous defender at 2B and SS. He's turned himself into a good starting MLB 3B, and someone will want him for that job. In the meantime, it's unclear that a gimpy Pedroia is that much better than a combo of Lin and Holt, a combo of Hernandez and Holt, or a Holt / Marrero platoon. In the long run, of course, it's a win. You want a post-season Pedey who's 100%. Only issue with this is that Holt is part of every combo/platoon. Can't see him sticking around, particularly with a new manager coming on board who isn't stuck in the Brockstar era.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 19:13:22 GMT -5
If Pedroia is even 50/50 for needing knee surgery, do it, but don't re-sign Eduardo Nunez. He's really a horrendous defender at 2B and SS. He's turned himself into a good starting MLB 3B, and someone will want him for that job. In the meantime, it's unclear that a gimpy Pedroia is that much better than a combo of Lin and Holt, a combo of Hernandez and Holt, or a Holt / Marrero platoon. In the long run, of course, it's a win. You want a post-season Pedey who's 100%. Only issue with this is that Holt is part of every combo/platoon. Can't see him sticking around, particularly with a new manager coming on board who isn't stuck in the Brockstar era. Holt isn't a given with Marrero, Lin and Hernandez back. Plus Farrell isn't coming back.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2017 21:28:32 GMT -5
I apologize for not reading the thread so far ... Major post-season moves in the order of obviousness. Sign J.D. Martinez as a FA to become the new regular DH. He's better than even a healthy Hanley Ramirez. Based on the trade market for him and the general trend towards better OF defense, he'll come at a bargain price. And he has a track record with DDo. Re-sign Mitch Moreland to play 1B. I love Eric Hosmer. He has a perfect Fenway swing, he consistently hits in the clutch, and if you can solve the good-year, bad-year pattern (which might be a matter of conditioning, as it was with Josh Beckett), he's a genuine star. Is the upgrade from Moreland to him worth a draft pick and a boatload of cash that you'll need to extend the young core? No. Not close, because Moreland will come way cheap because all the Statistically Correct quants at other organizations will project him based on his season stats, including his broken-toe stretch, which has no predictive power at all. Plus, you're not blockng Travis, Chavis, and/or Ockimey. Keep Hanley Ramirez as the 10th guy. He's both your platoon 1B and virtual 4th OFer, via Martinez playing LF and RF. So he essentially fills the Chris Young bench spot. Hanley instead of Young as 10th man allows you to give all three OFers more rest, and it protects you against injuries to five different guys. Chris Young got 65 starts this year. A healthy Hanley should be able to get 85 to 95 even if no one gets hurt -- 55 at 1B vs LHP, and 7-10 spelling each of the other 4 guys he backs up. That should be enough to keep him happy. This makes vastly more sense than dumping him and paying him to play for someone else. I'd even try him at 3B in ST. If he's OK there, that's 7-10 more starts he can get, spelling Devers. Holt's not a good defender at 3B; it's easy to imagine Hanley being just as good overall there. If Pedroia is even 50/50 for needing knee surgery, do it, but don't re-sign Eduardo Nunez. He's really a horrendous defender at 2B and SS. He's turned himself into a good starting MLB 3B, and someone will want him for that job. In the meantime, it's unclear that a gimpy Pedroia is that much better than a combo of Lin and Holt, a combo of Hernandez and Holt, or a Holt / Marrero platoon. In the long run, of course, it's a win. You want a post-season Pedey who's 100%. Minor moves in the order of importance.
Select both Brentz and Castillo to the 40-man. OK, not actually the most important, but the most obvious, since both have value that will be lost, with no return, if they're not added. Try to trade Brian Johnson and acquire a LHR. Right now, the LHRs in the pen look like Johnson and Robby Scott. Johnson is also the 7th guy on the SP depth chart, but with Hector Velazquez and Jalen Beeks in Pawtucket, and the possibility of Henry Owens and Roenis Elias not sucking, he's of little value in that role. But there are teams that could see him as a potential 5th starter. What he can fetch in trade would appear to be more valuable than what he brings to us. A LHR who was of the caliber of Joe Kelly -- a guy who could pitch in the 7th on occasion -- would add some needed depth while we wait for Tyler Thornburg to get healthy. And it would allow Scott to ride the shuttle to Pawtucket when the rest of the staff is healthy. If you can't deal Johnson in the offseason, think about adding the LHR anyway and dealing him later. Although that's a tricky, tough, decision. Sort out the last spot on the bench in ST. You should have Swihart and Brentz both out of options and Castillo seemingly too expensive to send back to AAA. An injury to Moreland, Martinez, Ramirez, Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Vazquez, or Leon will open up a roster spot for both Swihart and Brentz. In the meantime, you're hoping to trade one or the other for some actual value. Swihart, if on the team, catches one of the pitchers plus in blowouts. If you can trade him in ST and Brentz is the 4th guy, he gets some starts vs. LHP, spelling Benny and JBJ. But Swihart is the guy whose trade value you really want to try to maximize. Meanwhile, Castillo's contact is a sunk cost. It should have no effect on how you use him. If he's on option, he'll see some MLB PT because of injuries. He's the likely guy to add to the bench if you're able to trade Swihart (or Brentz) mid-season. He'll take over Hanley's roster spot in 2019 and be an asset, or he'll acquire some very solid trade value. (If someone wants him now as a starting CF, and you can get a good AAA OFer as part of a solid return, of course you do that.) Deal Heath Hembree for whatever. He's so far down the depth chart that his value is minimal, and you need the 40-man roster spot. Keep Deven Marrero around until at least ST. He might have a roster spot if Pedey goes under the knife. I think based on Sept they are setting Brentz adrift, which is stupid IMHO. Hanley is all about his health and has been very good when his shoulders are feeling good. Personally I like him and feel like he’s done all he can to dispell the bad attitude guy rep he had coming in. If he’s healthy he should play. But attitude adjustment aside, I don’t think he tolerates 10th man status and becomes a problem if it goes that way. Really tough to trade at this point, and you’re likely eating a chunk of salary if you do. I agree on Moreland, and was actually hoping they gave Brentz a shot at platooning at first in Sept with him. I don’t think Travis is an MLB first baseman and should be traded to anyone who thinks he is for anything you can get. Chavis might be but 5-10 is a generous height assessment for him and that’s a small target and inseam to be running out there on a regular basis. If Pedroia is out for a month or so I could see them go with a combination of Lin/Holt/Marrero, though I think Holt may have lost just enough from the concussion, which looked to be a significant injury based on his time off, to part ways with. Hate to say it because he’s been such a gamer, but he’s really a second baseman and spot LF at this point defensively, and offensively he really looked like he was guessing and has lost enough eye-hand speed where he just can’t hit MLB pitching with enough consistency since he came back. If it’s more like July or later for Pedroia then maybe the try to get Asdrubal Cabrera on a 1 year and look to move him or use him as a utility guy when Dustin is back. Or a more radical suggestion: Get Martinez for LF, put Benintendi in CF, JBJ in RF and put Mookie back on 2nd til Pedroia returns. Like I said, radical, but short term and only good if you get a legit OF to plug in (I would use the Brentz again here for LF but it’s simply waving a straw man. He’s gone). If Dustin is back before trade dealine, room can be made and Martinez wedged in somewhere as Mookie returns to the OF. Lin would be around to spell Dustin on rest days after that. Like I said, radical, which mean likely unrealistic. Martinez is the interesting one. No clear position barring a trade of an OF or the move of Mookie to 2nd until Dustin comes back, and will likely be an overpay in years and dollars. Still, amazing ISO, above ave OBP and great run the last four years. So sub-standard defensively, though, that he either has to move to first base or DH. Since he’s a FA I don’t know if he’d want to play some first and DH, maybe alternating with Hanley and Moreland (if he’s re-signed), but if they got him and kept those two there wouldn’t be enough at bats to go around. Other wild card here is if they let Dombrowski deal, especially from the MLB roster (Rodriguez, JBJ apparently most likely candidates) - this possibility is occasionally stoked by rumors off and on in the media (so how true are they?) that Dombrowski doesn’t like Bradley’s offensive inconsistency. But you might be able to get a plus player on a bad contract (Votto, Stanton, Freddie Gonzalez) if you took all the money plus gave those two players, or maybe most of the money plus one more player (Lin, Mata). If the team doing the trading wants real prospects, then, the cupboard is essentially bare save Groome and Chavis. A shame this team completely mismanaged Swihart. Other teams coveted him not to long ago. Once again, I’ll be fascinated to watch. There’s room for improvement on this roster, but a couple wrong moves could also set this team backward quickly.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 11, 2017 21:50:50 GMT -5
I apologize for not reading the thread so far ... Major post-season moves in the order of obviousness. Sign J.D. Martinez as a FA to become the new regular DH. He's better than even a healthy Hanley Ramirez. Based on the trade market for him and the general trend towards better OF defense, he'll come at a bargain price. And he has a track record with DDo. Re-sign Mitch Moreland to play 1B. I love Eric Hosmer. He has a perfect Fenway swing, he consistently hits in the clutch, and if you can solve the good-year, bad-year pattern (which might be a matter of conditioning, as it was with Josh Beckett), he's a genuine star. Is the upgrade from Moreland to him worth a draft pick and a boatload of cash that you'll need to extend the young core? No. Not close, because Moreland will come way cheap because all the Statistically Correct quants at other organizations will project him based on his season stats, including his broken-toe stretch, which has no predictive power at all. Plus, you're not blockng Travis, Chavis, and/or Ockimey. Keep Hanley Ramirez as the 10th guy. He's both your platoon 1B and virtual 4th OFer, via Martinez playing LF and RF. So he essentially fills the Chris Young bench spot. Hanley instead of Young as 10th man allows you to give all three OFers more rest, and it protects you against injuries to five different guys. Chris Young got 65 starts this year. A healthy Hanley should be able to get 85 to 95 even if no one gets hurt -- 55 at 1B vs LHP, and 7-10 spelling each of the other 4 guys he backs up. That should be enough to keep him happy. This makes vastly more sense than dumping him and paying him to play for someone else. I'd even try him at 3B in ST. If he's OK there, that's 7-10 more starts he can get, spelling Devers. Holt's not a good defender at 3B; it's easy to imagine Hanley being just as good overall there. If Pedroia is even 50/50 for needing knee surgery, do it, but don't re-sign Eduardo Nunez. He's really a horrendous defender at 2B and SS. He's turned himself into a good starting MLB 3B, and someone will want him for that job. In the meantime, it's unclear that a gimpy Pedroia is that much better than a combo of Lin and Holt, a combo of Hernandez and Holt, or a Holt / Marrero platoon. In the long run, of course, it's a win. You want a post-season Pedey who's 100%. Minor moves in the order of importance.
Select both Brentz and Castillo to the 40-man. OK, not actually the most important, but the most obvious, since both have value that will be lost, with no return, if they're not added. Try to trade Brian Johnson and acquire a LHR. Right now, the LHRs in the pen look like Johnson and Robby Scott. Johnson is also the 7th guy on the SP depth chart, but with Hector Velazquez and Jalen Beeks in Pawtucket, and the possibility of Henry Owens and Roenis Elias not sucking, he's of little value in that role. But there are teams that could see him as a potential 5th starter. What he can fetch in trade would appear to be more valuable than what he brings to us. A LHR who was of the caliber of Joe Kelly -- a guy who could pitch in the 7th on occasion -- would add some needed depth while we wait for Tyler Thornburg to get healthy. And it would allow Scott to ride the shuttle to Pawtucket when the rest of the staff is healthy. If you can't deal Johnson in the offseason, think about adding the LHR anyway and dealing him later. Although that's a tricky, tough, decision. Sort out the last spot on the bench in ST. You should have Swihart and Brentz both out of options and Castillo seemingly too expensive to send back to AAA. An injury to Moreland, Martinez, Ramirez, Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Vazquez, or Leon will open up a roster spot for both Swihart and Brentz. In the meantime, you're hoping to trade one or the other for some actual value. Swihart, if on the team, catches one of the pitchers plus in blowouts. If you can trade him in ST and Brentz is the 4th guy, he gets some starts vs. LHP, spelling Benny and JBJ. But Swihart is the guy whose trade value you really want to try to maximize. Meanwhile, Castillo's contact is a sunk cost. It should have no effect on how you use him. If he's on option, he'll see some MLB PT because of injuries. He's the likely guy to add to the bench if you're able to trade Swihart (or Brentz) mid-season. He'll take over Hanley's roster spot in 2019 and be an asset, or he'll acquire some very solid trade value. (If someone wants him now as a starting CF, and you can get a good AAA OFer as part of a solid return, of course you do that.) Deal Heath Hembree for whatever. He's so far down the depth chart that his value is minimal, and you need the 40-man roster spot. Keep Deven Marrero around until at least ST. He might have a roster spot if Pedey goes under the knife. I think based on Sept they are setting Brentz adrift, which is stupid IMHO. Hanley is all about his health and has been very good when his shoulders are feeling good. Personally I like him and feel like he’s done all he can to dispell the bad attitude guy rep he had coming in. If he’s healthy he should play. But attitude adjustment aside, I don’t think he tolerates 10th man status and becomes a problem if it goes that way. Really tough to trade at this point, and you’re likely eating a chunk of salary if you do. I agree on Moreland, and was actually hoping they gave Brentz a shot at platooning at first in Sept with him. I don’t think Travis is an MLB first baseman and should be traded to anyone who thinks he is for anything you can get. Chavis might be but 5-10 is a generous height assessment for him and that’s a small target and inseam to be running out there on a regular basis. If Pedroia is out for a month or so I could see them go with a combination of Lin/Holt/Marrero, though I think Holt may have lost just enough from the concussion, which looked to be a significant injury based on his time off, to part ways with. Hate to say it because he’s been such a gamer, but he’s really a second baseman and spot LF at this point defensively, and offensively he really looked like he was guessing and has lost enough eye-hand speed where he just can’t hit MLB pitching with enough consistency since he came back. If it’s more like July or later for Pedroia then maybe the try to get Asdrubal Cabrera on a 1 year and look to move him or use him as a utility guy when Dustin is back. Or a more radical suggestion: Get Martinez for LF, put Benintendi in CF, JBJ in RF and put Mookie back on 2nd til Pedroia returns. Like I said, radical, but short term and only good if you get a legit OF to plug in (I would use the Brentz again here for LF but it’s simply waving a straw man. He’s gone). If Dustin is back before trade dealine, room can be made and Martinez wedged in somewhere as Mookie returns to the OF. Lin would be around to spell Dustin on rest days after that. Like I said, radical, which mean likely unrealistic. Martinez is the interesting one. No clear position barring a trade of an OF or the move of Mookie to 2nd until Dustin comes back, and will likely be an overpay in years and dollars. Still, amazing ISO, above ave OBP and great run the last four years. So sub-standard defensively, though, that he either has to move to first base or DH. Since he’s a FA I don’t know if he’d want to play some first and DH, maybe alternating with Hanley and Moreland (if he’s re-signed), but if they got him and kept those two there wouldn’t be enough at bats to go around. Other wild card here is if they let Dombrowski deal, especially from the MLB roster (Rodriguez, JBJ apparently most likely candidates) - this possibility is occasionally stoked by rumors off and on in the media (so how true are they?) that Dombrowski doesn’t like Bradley’s offensive inconsistency. But you might be able to get a plus player on a bad contract (Votto, Stanton, Freddie Gonzalez) if you took all the money plus gave those two players, or maybe most of the money plus one more player (Lin, Mata). If the team doing the trading wants real prospects, then, the cupboard is essentially bare save Groome and Chavis. A shame this team completely mismanaged Swihart. Other teams coveted him not to long ago. Once again, I’ll be fascinated to watch. There’s room for improvement on this roster, but a couple wrong moves could also set this team backward quickly. Hmm, I like the betts to second thinking, very enticing
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 11, 2017 23:41:50 GMT -5
The Betts to 2b is interesting but I don't think the Red Sox would want to tamper with a major strength of the team - the outfield defense nor would we want Machado anywhere near Betts' knee if he's trying to turn a DP.
I would guess that Marco Hernandez gets 1st crack at 2b. Perhaps the Sox could now bring back Eduardo Nunez?
I had previously thought that Nunez might get a 4 year deal for something like $48 million, but with his knee a question mark, he won't get anything anywhere near that.
So that might make him an expensive but affordable insurance policy for the team as Pedroia's knee is probably going to be a chronic issue, and the Sox have already dealt away most of their 2b depth in the minors between Moncada, Dubon, and Asuaje.
I figure the Sox will wind up with either Hosmer or Martinez. I'd like to see them get both, but we all know that's not happening, not with Hanley around, so they'll either get Martinez to DH with Hanley at 1b or maybe they get Hosmer to play 1b. I'd prefer Martinez because they need a true power hitter, but if they do get Martinez, that leaves them with only Devers, Benintendi, and JBJ as the only lefties in the lineup which leaves them pretty unbalanced.
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Post by libertine on Oct 11, 2017 23:56:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not a big fan of moving Mookie to 2B. Middle IF's tend to take more of a physical beating than OF's generally speaking. And even there Mookie had to deal with some nagging injuries. Keep him in RF imo.
And I am all for signing Martinez. A big right handed bat for the middle of the line-up is what we need most. As far as the lefty bat we could always re-sign Moreland. Not going to set the world on fire but gives us a 4th LH bat, with some pop and has a decent glove. Our starting pitching should be another area of concern. After Sale and Pomeranz it wasn't very good this past season. With Price's continuing elbow problem and the uncertainty whether it will allow him to be a SP I think we might want to target a 3-4 SP in the offseason also.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2017 3:56:20 GMT -5
During the DD WEEI interview, DD indicated that according to the medical experts, (presumably Andrews), the Sox expect Price to be in the rotation for 1018 with no restrictions. I wouldn't look for the Sox to make any offseason starting pitching acquisitions, especially with the emergence of Pomeranz.
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Post by kman22 on Oct 12, 2017 8:25:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not a big fan of moving Mookie to 2B. Middle IF's tend to take more of a physical beating than OF's generally speaking. And even there Mookie had to deal with some nagging injuries. Keep him in RF imo. And I am all for signing Martinez. A big right handed bat for the middle of the line-up is what we need most. As far as the lefty bat we could always re-sign Moreland. Not going to set the world on fire but gives us a 4th LH bat, with some pop and has a decent glove. Our starting pitching should be another area of concern. After Sale and Pomeranz it wasn't very good this past season. With Price's continuing elbow problem and the uncertainty whether it will allow him to be a SP I think we might want to target a 3-4 SP in the offseason also. Just as an interesting note, perhaps two of the most injury prone players in recent Red Sox history, Trot Nixon and JD Drew, both played RF at Fenway. Maybe that huge corner is more dangerous than you think?
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Post by jdb on Oct 12, 2017 8:28:18 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 12, 2017 8:46:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not a big fan of moving Mookie to 2B. Middle IF's tend to take more of a physical beating than OF's generally speaking. And even there Mookie had to deal with some nagging injuries. Keep him in RF imo. And I am all for signing Martinez. A big right handed bat for the middle of the line-up is what we need most. As far as the lefty bat we could always re-sign Moreland. Not going to set the world on fire but gives us a 4th LH bat, with some pop and has a decent glove. Our starting pitching should be another area of concern. After Sale and Pomeranz it wasn't very good this past season. With Price's continuing elbow problem and the uncertainty whether it will allow him to be a SP I think we might want to target a 3-4 SP in the offseason also. Just as an interesting note, perhaps two of the most injury prone players in recent Red Sox history, Trot Nixon and JD Drew, both played RF at Fenway. Maybe that huge corner is more dangerous than you think? Apologies if this was meant as sarcasm, but JD Drew had injury problems long before the Red Sox, and Trot Nixon had the bone chip issues in his back when he was in Single-A, which is why it took him five years to make it to the majors.
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 12, 2017 9:03:40 GMT -5
I can't understand people constantly talking about moving Mookie to second. We realize that he is arguably the best defender in baseball right now yes? And currently that makes up a large part of his value? And we want to move him off that position?
I could maybe understand him moving back to center if JBJ is moved, and even that I'm very hesitant about, but going back to the infield seems silly at this point.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 12, 2017 9:28:04 GMT -5
I can't understand people constantly talking about moving Mookie to second. We realize that he is arguably the best defender in baseball right now yes? And currently that makes up a large part of his value? And we want to move him off that position? I could maybe understand him moving back to center if JBJ is moved, and even that I'm very hesitant about, but going back to the infield seems silly at this point. It was presented as a radical move, so take it as such, but it wouldn't be permanent. It would be a temp move to cover Pedroia if his rehab extends into July, and assumes an acquisition of JD Martinez into left, Beni to CF and JBJ to RF. When Pedroia returns, you can use the trade deadline to clear out a position to accommodate Martinez and bolster the club in prospects or a position of need.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 12, 2017 9:51:25 GMT -5
Making a radical move temporarily sounds like an even worse idea.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 12, 2017 10:47:45 GMT -5
Gammo has lost a lot off the fastball and can be tough to decipher. I'm not sure which luxury tax threshold he's talking about. If he's talking about the $197 million threshold, that would mean he's saying that paying those guys $30 million to $35 million would bring the RS payroll to $172 million to $177 million. That doesn't seem possible, given that we think they were right at the 2017 threshold and don't have a lot of money coming off the books. So, when he talks about the threshold, he might be talking about the $237 million level. That's the level at which a team pays a tax of 42.5 percent and has its first pick moved back 10 spots.
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 12, 2017 13:34:37 GMT -5
Moving Mookie to 2nd is just stupid to suggest even as radical. JBJ should be traded & Mookie moved back to CF. Benintendi should be playing RF. Nunez & Moreland should be signed to 1 year deals as bench/role players. A middle of the order bat needs to be signed or traded for that can play LF & it does not matter if he bats LH or RH. Brentz should get a legitimate shot as Youngs replacement in Spring Training. Hanley remains as the RH DH. Holt should be traded. Rutledge & Ross should not even be offered arbitration.
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 12, 2017 14:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Oct 12, 2017 14:32:40 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Jeff Passan with perhaps the definitive point about “windows”:
Scariest part about the Yankees is they've still got a top 3 farm system in baseball and, soon enough, $75-$100M in payroll flexibility.
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Post by jmei on Oct 12, 2017 14:38:56 GMT -5
I think the Yankees significantly overperformed their true talent this year, especially their veteran types-- think Gregorius, Gardener, Hicks, Headley and Castro. That organization is certainly set up well for the medium-term future, probably better than the Red Sox are, but in the next year or two, I think the Red Sox remain the better team, or at worst are right there in the mix.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 12, 2017 14:49:02 GMT -5
I think the Yankees significantly overperformed their true talent this year, especially their veteran types-- think Gregorius, Gardener, Hicks, Headley and Castro. That organization is certainly set up well for the medium-term future, probably better than the Red Sox are, but in the next year or two, I think the Red Sox remain the better team, or at worst are right there in the mix. Agree. Two years. They have to be on the accelerator and pray for good health.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 12, 2017 15:57:52 GMT -5
Moving Mookie to 2nd is just stupid to suggest even as radical. JBJ should be traded & Mookie moved back to CF. Benintendi should be playing RF. Nunez & Moreland should be signed to 1 year deals as bench/role players. A middle of the order bat needs to be signed or traded for that can play LF & it does not matter if he bats LH or RH. Brentz should get a legitimate shot as Youngs replacement in Spring Training. Hanley remains as the RH DH. Holt should be traded. Rutledge & Ross should not even be offered arbitration. Am I the only guy who feels dumbfounded whenever I see a poster suggesting jbj to be traded? And explain to me why you think moving mookie back to second is "just stupid" for you. You have to remember this idea was presented under the premise of Martinez signing with us, therefore we can put him in right field and mookie at second every once in a while to spell pedey's workload. To me that's at least interesting to consider, mookie is a good athlete and he played plus defense at second when he was in the minors. It was a forward thinking idea imo, to simply shot that down with "just stupid" without giving your reasoning is pretty lame to me.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 12, 2017 16:15:25 GMT -5
I think the Yankees significantly overperformed their true talent this year, especially their veteran types-- think Gregorius, Gardener, Hicks, Headley and Castro. That organization is certainly set up well for the medium-term future, probably better than the Red Sox are, but in the next year or two, I think the Red Sox remain the better team, or at worst are right there in the mix. I sure hope that's the case. Another way to look at that is they really did a great job with their player developing, especially with Gregorius and hicks. Sure being left handed and playing in that joke of a park helps, but that's also credit to their front office and scouts identifying the kinda players that would thrive there, and getting these players for virtually nothing. I just think there's a lot we can learn from them, which really pains me to say.
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