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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 12, 2017 16:21:38 GMT -5
I don't think it's crazy to say trade Bradley. It's just what's your plan if you do? Signing Martinez to play the OF, with Betts in CF isn't crazzy. Not saying we should, but it's not crazy. Even signing a Jay Bruce type player could make sense. If your goal is more offense, more HRs and less D. The thing is what do you get for Bradley? Maybe flip him for a first baseman or for prospect that can help you get one.
Get ready for a wild offseason and I do think Bradley could be in play.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 12, 2017 16:31:24 GMT -5
I don't think it's crazy to say trade Bradley. It's just what's your plan if you do? Signing Martinez to play the OF, with Betts in CF isn't crazzy. Not saying we should, but it's not crazy. Even signing a Jay Bruce type player could make sense. If your goal is more offense, more HRs and less D. The thing is what do you get for Bradley? Maybe flip him for a first baseman or for prospect that can help you get one. Get ready for a wild offseason and I do think Bradley could be in play. The main problem I have is that most posters with this thinking appears to be the ones that wanna use him as a piece to get a "bigger fish". I'll have no problem if they move him in a year or two for good prospects, not this year tho.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 12, 2017 16:44:13 GMT -5
I think the Yankees significantly overperformed their true talent this year, especially their veteran types-- think Gregorius, Gardener, Hicks, Headley and Castro. That organization is certainly set up well for the medium-term future, probably better than the Red Sox are, but in the next year or two, I think the Red Sox remain the better team, or at worst are right there in the mix. I also think there's a fine line between Judge being the MVP and being out of baseball. He struck out in 16 out of 23 plate appearances in the Cleveland series.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 12, 2017 17:30:45 GMT -5
One thing I always keep in mind with JBJ is that he has 1 year of control more than Xander. I could see a scenario where Bogaerts goes to FA, with JBJ traded for a SS.
I also think moving him this offseason would be selling low.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 12, 2017 19:47:08 GMT -5
I think the Yankees significantly overperformed their true talent this year, especially their veteran types-- think Gregorius, Gardener, Hicks, Headley and Castro. That organization is certainly set up well for the medium-term future, probably better than the Red Sox are, but in the next year or two, I think the Red Sox remain the better team, or at worst are right there in the mix. I do take some comfort in knowing that the B's (not referring to Beni) took a step back this year and that we're likely to see their performances normalize next year. Think how much better this lineup would be with OPS-pluses of 111, 118, and 133 from X, JBJ and Mookie respectively (those were their 2016 numbers, compared with 95, 89 and 108 this year) AND a JD Martinez AND a full-year of Devers AND Beni with a year under his belt. Once the MFY get eliminated, freeing us of that stress, and we get over the disappointment of losing the DS, we'll look at 2018 a bit more optimistically. I don't know that I agree that the MFY vets you mentioned overperformed this year, though. Gregorius and Castro were each at 106 OPS-plus, Headley was 100 and Gardner was 104. Together, they were just above average offsenive players. It wouldn't surprise me if cumulatively they matched that production in 2018. But I bet that Judge won't come close to 52 dingers and an OPS-plus of 171 again.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 13, 2017 6:39:06 GMT -5
The Sox have a unique dilemma in having not one but two players who are out of options, have no obvious utility as a bench player, and whose actual value may well be much greater, perhaps hugely greater, than their current trade value. I refer of course to Blake Swihart and, perhaps, less obviously, Bryce Brentz.
[Placeholder for some numbers on just how good Brentz was after he introduced the toe-tap. Real good.] Brentz for all the world seems to have undergone a Jose Bautista / J.D. Martinez / Daniel Murphy sort of transformation, except at a lower level (both literally and figuratively). Instead of going from an OK MLB hitter to an elite MLB hitter, he's gone from a AAAA hitter to a very good MLB hitter.
Now, if they had just one such player, it's no problem, because a 3-man MLB bench is perfectly functional if one of the guys can play everywhere like Brock Holt can. But there would appear to be no way to carry both guys.
But I think they can and should, at least until the trade deadline. Here's how:
It will often be the case that one of the 14 position players is on the DL. You have a perfectly functional roster unless the guy on the DL is Bogaerts, Devers, Pedroia (or Hernandez / Lin / Marrero if Pedey starts the season on the DL), or Holt. If a catcher is on the DL, you still have two left. If an OF, 1B, or DH is on the DL, Brentz slides into that slot (via Hanley's ability to play 1B -- Brentz seems to have flunked his audition there.)
Now, I've mentioned that they should make Hanley into the backup 3B. If they do that, then you also have a workable roster if Devers is the guy on the DL.
Folks in this thread have floated the really bad idea of using Mookie Betts as the regular 2B if Pedey starts the year on the DL. But they're not entirely crazy. Making Mookie Betts into the emergency 2B and even SS is a great idea. One of the things that bugged me (and many others, it seems) about JF is that he seemed to project his own desire for regularity (or lack of flexibility) onto his players. He managed like it would break Mookie's brain if he had to play an occasional game back in CF. My guess is that Mookie would not only take that kind of thing in stride, but enjoy it.
If Mookie is the emergency 2B and SS, the guy who can start a game when both a regular and his backup are banged up for just a day or two, then you have a functional roster if Pedey or his injury replacement is on the DL. If he looks good enough at SS, you never need to call anyone up if one guy is hurt -- any 13 of the 14 guys would be a workable roster.
If Bretz is good enough versus LHP, you could even see Mookie starting a handful of games or more at 2B or even SS. For instance, Pedey is on the 10-day DL with a minor injury and you're facing a lefty like Keuchel with huge platoon splits, in a ballpark where the defensive downgrade in RF from Mookie to Brentz or Martinez (the other is at DH) is lessened so much that the offensive upgrade from Holt to Brentz outweighs it. There's probably little defensive change between Holt and Betts at 2B, and it gives Holt a breather, which is always a good idea. (You'd also see a host of stories about Mookie making himself even more valuable. Who wouldn't love that?)
What happens when all 14 position players are healthy? Obviously, you need to go with an 11-man pitching staff (as you might also need to, if Mookie is too sketchy at SS and Bogaerts or Holt is on the DL). Is that viable?
Well, figure that Eduardo Rodriguez is the 6th starter and sole lefty in the pen, doubling as both a LOOGY and a long man when he's not starting, and that Brandon Workman and Matt Barnes are the two middle and long guys behind Kimbrel, Smith, and Kelly. Well, E-Rod, Workman, and Barnes all have options left. You can send any one of them down for 10 days and recall Austin Maddox or Robby Scott, or even Jalen Beeks or Hector Velazquez. You can manage E-Rod's 6th starts so that he can sometimes be optioned between them and make a start at Pawtucket. When that's not viable, the basic idea is that you use the 11th and last spot in the pen as a shuttle, sending down guys after they've had a 3-inning stint. The downgrade for 30 days between the lesser of Workman or Barnes and Austin Maddox (or whoever is the best reliever in Pawtucket), when they're pitching mostly in low leverage, is slight. It's worth it many times over if it means you can turn both Swihart and Brentz into valuable assets.
If you acquire a LHR to help Kelly manage the 7th, then Barnes and Workman share the 11th spot when you need to go down to 11, but you can still option E-Rod during stretches where you don't plan to use a 6th starter.
One of the things I like about this is that it will encourage management to give guys a 10-day breather when they're banged up. It can almost become a situation where whoever is most banged up is on the DL. The idea is to hold onto both Swihart and Brentz until the trade deadline, which is 120 games, which is one DL stint for each of the 12 guys other than them. It's not going to work out perfectly, but between the ability to give anybody on the roster time to heal when they're hurt, and the ability to survive with an 11-man staff for a short while necessary, you can turn the presence of one extra body on the roster into an asset rather than a liability.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 13, 2017 7:31:41 GMT -5
The Sox have a unique dilemma in having not one but two players who are out of options, have no obvious utility as a bench player, and whose actual value may well be much greater, perhaps hugely greater, than their current trade value. I refer of course to Blake Swihart and, perhaps, less obviously, Bryce Brentz. [Placeholder for some numbers on just how good Brentz was after he introduced the toe-tap. Real good.] Brentz for all the world seems to have undergone a Jose Bautista / J.D. Martinez / Daniel Murphy sort of transformation, except at a lower level (both literally and figuratively). Instead of going from an OK MLB hitter to an elite MLB hitter, he's gone from a AAAA hitter to a very good MLB hitter. Now, if they had just one such player, it's no problem, because a 3-man MLB bench is perfectly functional if one of the guys can play everywhere like Brock Holt can. But there would appear to be no way to carry both guys. But I think they can and should, at least until the trade deadline. Here's how: It will often be the case that one of the 14 position players is on the DL. You have a perfectly functional roster unless the guy on the DL is Bogaerts, Devers, Pedroia (or Hernandez / Lin / Marrero if Pedey starts the season on the DL), or Holt. If a catcher is on the DL, you still have two left. If an OF, 1B, or DH is on the DL, Brentz slides into that slot (via Hanley's ability to play 1B -- Brentz seems to have flunked his audition there.) Now, I've mentioned that they should make Hanley into the backup 3B. If they do that, then you also have a workable roster if Devers is the guy on the DL. Folks in this thread have floated the really bad idea of using Mookie Betts as the regular 2B if Pedey starts the year on the DL. But they're not entirely crazy. Making Mookie Betts into the emergency 2B and even SS is a great idea. One of the things that bugged me (and many others, it seems) about JF is that he seemed to project his own desire for regularity (or lack of flexibility) onto his players. He managed like it would break Mookie's brain if he had to play an occasional game back in CF. My guess is that Mookie would not only take that kind of thing in stride, but enjoy it. If Mookie is the emergency 2B and SS, the guy who can start a game when both a regular and his backup are banged up for just a day or two, then you have a functional roster if Pedey or his injury replacement is on the DL. If he looks good enough at SS, you never need to call anyone up if one guy is hurt -- any 13 of the 14 guys would be a workable roster. If Bretz is good enough versus LHP, you could even see Mookie starting a handful of games or more at 2B or even SS. For instance, Pedey is on the 10-day DL with a minor injury and you're facing a lefty like Keuchel with huge platoon splits, in a ballpark where the defensive downgrade in RF from Mookie to Brentz or Martinez (the other is at DH) is lessened so much that the offensive upgrade from Holt to Brentz outweighs it. There's probably little defensive change between Holt and Betts at 2B, and it gives Holt a breather, which is always a good idea. (You'd also see a host of stories about Mookie making himself even more valuable. Who wouldn't love that?) What happens when all 14 position players are healthy? Obviously, you need to go with an 11-man pitching staff (as you might also need to, if Mookie is too sketchy at SS and Bogaerts or Holt is on the DL). Is that viable? Well, figure that Eduardo Rodriguez is the 6th starter and sole lefty in the pen, doubling as both a LOOGY and a long man when he's not starting, and that Brandon Workman and Matt Barnes are the two middle and long guys behind Kimbrel, Smith, and Kelly. Well, E-Rod, Workman, and Barnes all have options left. You can send any one of them down for 10 days and recall Austin Maddox or Robby Scott, or even Jalen Beeks or Hector Velazquez. You can manage E-Rod's 6th starts so that he can sometimes be optioned between them and make a start at Pawtucket. When that's not viable, the basic idea is that you use the 11th and last spot in the pen as a shuttle, sending down guys after they've had a 3-inning stint. The downgrade for 30 days between the lesser of Workman or Barnes and Austin Maddox (or whoever is the best reliever in Pawtucket), when they're pitching mostly in low leverage, is slight. It's worth it many times over if it means you can turn both Swihart and Brentz into valuable assets. If you acquire a LHR to help Kelly manage the 7th, then Barnes and Workman share the 11th spot when you need to go down to 11, but you can still option E-Rod during stretches where you don't plan to use a 6th starter. One of the things I like about this is that it will encourage management to give guys a 10-day breather when they're banged up. It can almost become a situation where whoever is most banged up is on the DL. The idea is to hold onto both Swihart and Brentz until the trade deadline, which is 120 games, which is one DL stint for each of the 12 guys other than them. It's not going to work out perfectly, but between the ability to give anybody on the roster time to heal when they're hurt, and the ability to survive with an 11-man staff for a short while necessary, you can turn the presence of one extra body on the roster into an asset rather than a liability. Either that or trade Sandy Leon with the thought that CVaz will be the everyday catcher. Either that or bite my tongue, trade the highest trade value one, CVaz for someone that's an upgrade at another position that isn't as rare as catcher and has a little less control, Goldshmidt, for example. I believe the net team plus would offset the difference with and without CVaz. If you also then don't sign Moreland, you likely have a $$ plus as well. CVaz trade value might be a little higher than meets the eye. The TJ hurt for the accrued service time but helped with the arbitration awards relative to his years. He's not going to be an expensive 6th year player.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 13, 2017 9:15:48 GMT -5
I think the Yankees significantly overperformed their true talent this year, especially their veteran types-- think Gregorius, Gardener, Hicks, Headley and Castro. That organization is certainly set up well for the medium-term future, probably better than the Red Sox are, but in the next year or two, I think the Red Sox remain the better team, or at worst are right there in the mix. I sure hope that's the case. Another way to look at that is they really did a great job with their player developing, especially with Gregorius and hicks. Sure being left handed and playing in that joke of a park helps, but that's also credit to their front office and scouts identifying the kinda players that would thrive there, and getting these players for virtually nothing. I just think there's a lot we can learn from them, which really pains me to say. Just FYI, "player development" generally refers to organizations' coaching and development programs for their own minor leaguers. I think what you were looking for there was their pro scouting and major league coaching staff, given that Gregorius and Hicks were never in the Yankees' farm system.
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Post by jdb on Oct 13, 2017 12:03:01 GMT -5
Regarding a hypothetical JBJ I think the reason some would be for it bc 1. They feel 2017 is who he is not the 2016 all star who was unreal for two months. 2. The way the roster is currently, the only position to add a bat is 1B bc Hanley probably can't handle it. A JBJ trade would open up LF as an option for a middle of the lineup bat.
The CBT thread is eye opening. Right now we probably couldn't sign Martinez and stay under the 237M if you leave a few million for deadline additions. I am starting to think DDom will have to trade from the MLB roster to reallocate some money for different needs. I think that puts JBJ on the table bc we could replace him in CF easier than other guys.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 13, 2017 14:38:22 GMT -5
Regarding a hypothetical JBJ I think the reason some would be for it bc 1. They feel 2017 is who he is not the 2016 all star who was unreal for two months. Even if he's just the 2.8 bWAR/2.3 fWAR player he was this year, that's a top 90 player in the game. I don't think anyone thinks he's a true 5-WAR player like he was in 2016. As for your second point, I'd add DH to 1B, but consider why that is: 1) Full season of Devers. Unless Devers falls on his face, they're going to get more production from that position next year than they did this year. Maybe you can't rely on him to be a middle-of-the-order guy quite yet, but it's not like the fact that they now have a 3B is a problem - it's a good thing. 2) In theory, full season of Pedroia, but also with a better infield backup along the lines of Nunez or even a healthy Marco Hernandez, who everyone forgets (understandably). Maybe Holt will even be back to his older self with an offseason to get over vertigo/concussion issues. Again, the club faced insane injury issues at 2B/3B this season that you can't expect will repeat.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 13, 2017 14:51:34 GMT -5
The Sox have a unique dilemma in having not one but two players who are out of options, have no obvious utility as a bench player, and whose actual value may well be much greater, perhaps hugely greater, than their current trade value. I refer of course to Blake Swihart and, perhaps, less obviously, Bryce Brentz. [Placeholder for some numbers on just how good Brentz was after he introduced the toe-tap. Real good.] Brentz for all the world seems to have undergone a Jose Bautista / J.D. Martinez / Daniel Murphy sort of transformation, except at a lower level (both literally and figuratively). Instead of going from an OK MLB hitter to an elite MLB hitter, he's gone from a AAAA hitter to a very good MLB hitter. Now, if they had just one such player, it's no probem, because a 3-man MLB bench is perfectly functional if one of the guys can play everywhere like Brock Holt can. But there would appear to be no way to carry both guys. But I think they can and should, at least until the trade deadline. Here's how ... Either that or trade Sandy Leon with the thought that CVaz will be the everyday catcher. Either that or bite my tongue, trade the highest trade value one, CVaz for someone that's an upgrade at another position that isn't as rare as catcher and has a little less control, Goldshmidt, for example. I believe the net team plus would offset the difference with and without CVaz. If you also then don't sign Moreland, you likely have a $$ plus as well. CVaz trade value might be a little higher than meets the eye. The TJ hurt for the accrued service time but helped with the arbitration awards relative to his years. He's not going to be an expensive 6th year player. It's funny, but, yup, I didn't consider the best case scenario. If Swihart is so good in winter ball and ST that you can confidently move Leon in ST, that's probably the best move. You can have CV catch 3 guys, Swihart catch 1, and the 5th and 6th guys are split 60/40 based on matchups, plus you try to avoid having either guy catch a day game after a night game. Meanwhile, a good offensive comp for Byce Brentz after the toe-tap (.304 / .372 / .603 in 382 PA) is Khris Davis Light (just a little). Davenport has Davis with a .300 EqA and I have Brentz's translation as about .291. BP has him as an average fielder (actually +0.5 R/150) the last two seasons (and that's not cherry-picking because he was +7.5 in 59 G in 2015 and also a plus defender in 2014). You can take a lot of air out of his numbers and still get him as a 2.0 to 2.5 WAR regular. You have to find out of this is for real.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 13, 2017 15:05:53 GMT -5
Maybe Holt will even be back to his older self with an offseason to get over vertigo/concussion issues. Again, the club faced insane injury issues at 2B/3B this season that you can't expect will repeat. I thought Holt looked like his old self the last few weeks. I don't think I imagined it, because he hit .350 / .417 / .450 over his last 12 G and 24 PA, from 9/18 on. That ability to come off the bench and hit defines him even more than his inability to keep hitting when in the lineup day after day. People forget how valuable he is as a bench guy. He's one more guy who was vastly below his projections, for no fault of his own. He was 1.5 to 2.4 WAR below his norm.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 13, 2017 15:39:10 GMT -5
Maybe Holt will even be back to his older self with an offseason to get over vertigo/concussion issues. Again, the club faced insane injury issues at 2B/3B this season that you can't expect will repeat. I thought Holt looked like his old self the last few weeks. I don't think I imagined it, because he hit .350 / .417 / .450 over his last 12 G and 24 PA, from 9/18 on. That ability to come off the bench and hit defines him even more than his inability to keep hitting when in the lineup day after day. People forget how valuable he is as a bench guy. He's one more guy who was vastly below his projections, for no fault of his own. He was 1.5 to 2.4 WAR below his norm. I am and have been all in on Brentz this year, but I am having a hard time seeing Dombrowski adding him to the 40 man when he wouldn’t even let him sniff a cup of coffee in Sept.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 13, 2017 15:53:03 GMT -5
I thought Holt looked like his old self the last few weeks. I don't think I imagined it, because he hit .350 / .417 / .450 over his last 12 G and 24 PA, from 9/18 on. That ability to come off the bench and hit defines him even more than his inability to keep hitting when in the lineup day after day. People forget how valuable he is as a bench guy. He's one more guy who was vastly below his projections, for no fault of his own. He was 1.5 to 2.4 WAR below his norm. I am and have been all in on Brentz this year, but I am having a hard time seeing Dombrowski adding him to the 40 man when he wouldn’t even let him sniff a cup of coffee in Sept. We've gone over this a million times. If JF told DDo that he would play Chris Young over Brentz -- and that was JF's decision -- then there was no reason to add Brentz to the roster. It's been reported that JF had no special rapport with the young core. So, you want to add a guy to the roster who was a teammate of many of those guys, who will just sit and watch a veteran suck at the job he can pretty clearly do better? This is an explanation that fits all of the facts, including the big one, their statement that they had problems with JF even before the Astros loss. In the pessimistic version, you have to explain why Dave Dombrowski, who saw J.D. Martinez change his approach and go from a .255 EQA hitter to a .310 (roughly), has seen Bryce Brentz, a former 1st round pick with plus power, change his approach and go from a .240 EqA hitter to a .290, and is so dismissive of the improvement that he plans to let him go for nothing.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 13, 2017 16:15:28 GMT -5
So who here would have no problem if the sox just resign Moreland and perhaps Nunez, add Brentz to the 40 man roster and coach him up to play at least adequate defense at first in the offseason, so he can platoon with Moreland as well as provide depth in the outfield. Then just largely stand pat elsewhere position wise and try get another crack at it next season with that
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 13, 2017 16:28:04 GMT -5
I think the Yankees significantly overperformed their true talent this year, especially their veteran types-- think Gregorius, Gardener, Hicks, Headley and Castro. That organization is certainly set up well for the medium-term future, probably better than the Red Sox are, but in the next year or two, I think the Red Sox remain the better team, or at worst are right there in the mix. I also think there's a fine line between Judge being the MVP and being out of baseball. He struck out in 16 out of 23 plate appearances in the Cleveland series. I like that stat!!! Talk about being up or down, 208 strike outs this year. I will put this thought on my Christmas list.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 13, 2017 16:41:31 GMT -5
So who here would have no problem if the sox just resign Moreland and perhaps Nunez, add Brentz to the 40 man roster and coach him up to play at least adequate defense at first in the offseason, so he can platoon with Moreland as well as provide depth in the outfield. Then just largely stand pat elsewhere position wise and try get another crack at it next season with that Not I, but close. Everything you said except get either Martinez or Hosmer.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 13, 2017 18:16:26 GMT -5
What does everyone think about Carlos Santana? I've always been a fan and wouldn't hate it if they brought back mostly everyone and replaced Moreland with Santana.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 13, 2017 18:32:55 GMT -5
We've gone over this a million times. If JF told DDo that he would play Chris Young over Brentz -- and that was JF's decision -- then there was no reason to add Brentz to the roster. Do you have any evidence of this? Because yeah, we've been over this many times, but I'm still unconvinced that Farrell alone called this one.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Oct 13, 2017 18:35:17 GMT -5
I like Santana, but if he gets the QO feels like it would be impossible justify going his way over Moreland, Alonso, Duda etc.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 13, 2017 18:39:02 GMT -5
It's a tough year to upgrade but I think they blow right past the luxury tax barrier and I'd probably at least try something like this:
1) Sign J.D Martinez as the top priority. He actually has had 2 terrific power years in a relatively short career and he appears to be getting better. He would be a great 2/3/4 with Mookie/Devers/Martinez. He's just the kind of guy DD would sign and if he's the only major addition I'm fine with that.
2) Trade JBJ to a team which needs a CF and get needed value somewhere. For example a trade to Detroit for Justin Upton should IMO take less than JBJ at this point in their careers, if the Martinez deal falls through. We could slot Beni in CF where he may even be better suited and get some pop in LF with Justin Upton and still have some value left over in that trade. I think Upton still has some upside in him as he ended the season on a downward trend ( if I remember correctly ) and in 2015 his spray chart actually looks better in Fenway than it did last year. We don't want his contract but I think DD is going to be given lots of flexibility in that department for a couple years at least. I know it sounds like JBJ 's bat was about the same as Justin's recently but I like Upton's profile in Fenway and I think he's a little more proven in the HR department. It all depends on the deal of course but to me JBJ is worth more in trade value right now, than Upton and Upton helps with the HR pop and the issue against left handed pitching.
3) I probably keep Moreland at 1st, depending on the value of that deal. He's worth more in Boston, than in other markets and they need his defense especially with Devers over there in 3rd base.
4) I'd try to sign Nunez because his flexibility and bat could really help this team but at what cost? It depends on the deal but I think he could really help.
5) I'd leave the pitching largely intact. Price may well help them more next year and that would be huge. I'm not a fan of Porcello but he's not much trade value right now, and might help. Overall, the pitching isn't broken and might even be better.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 13, 2017 18:40:17 GMT -5
I did forget about the qualifying offer for Santana. Now that you mention that I would stay away from him if he does get that QO.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 13, 2017 18:41:47 GMT -5
It's a tough year to upgrade but I think they blow right past the luxury tax barrier and I'd probably at least try something like this: 1) Sign J.D Martinez as the top priority. He actually has had 2 terrific power years in a reltively short career and he appears to be getting better. He would be a great 2/3/4 with Mookie/Devers/Martinez. He's just the kind of guy DD would sign and if he's the only major addition I'm fine with that. 2) Trade JBJ to a team which needs a CF and get needed value somewhere. For example a trade to Detroit for Justin Upton should IMO take less than JBJ at this point in their careers, if the Martinez deal falls through. We could slot Beni in CF where he may even be better suited and get some pop in LF with Justin Upton and still have some value left over in that trade. I think Upton still has some upside in him as he ended the season on a downward trend ( if I remember correctly ) and in 2015 his spray chart actually looks better in Fenway than it did last year. We don't want his contract but I think DD is going to be given lots of flexibility in that department for a couple years at least. I know it sounds like JBJ 's bat was about the same as Justin's recently but I like Upton's profile in Fenway and I think he's a little more proven in the HR department. It all depends on the deal of course but to me JBJ is worth more in trade value right now, than Upton and Upton helps with the HR pop and the issue against left handed pitching. 3) I probably keep Moreland at 1st, depending on the value of that deal. He's worth more in Boston, than in other markets and they need his defense especially with Devers over there in 3rd base. 4) I'd try to sign Nunez because his flexibility and bat could really help this team but at what cost? It depends on the deal but I think he could really help. 5) I'd leave the pitching largely intact. Price may well help them more next year and that would be huge. I'm not a fan of Porcello but he's not much trade value right now, and might help. Overall, the pitching isn't broken and might even be better. Upton was traded to the angels and has an opt out to become a free agent. I wouldn't hate getting him tho.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2017 18:42:02 GMT -5
Yeah trade JBJ for needed value elsewhere as the Sox open up a major hole in CF.
I'd give it a 5 percent chance that JBJ gets moved this winter. I actually think Xander gas a higher chance of being traded than JBJ at this point.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 13, 2017 18:46:02 GMT -5
Yeah trade JBJ for needed value elsewhere as the Sox open up a major hole in CF. I'd give it a 5 percent chance that JBJ gets moved this winter. I actually think Xander gas a higher chance of being traded than JBJ at this point. Big if but let's say the sox sign Martinez and then move Mookie to c.f. and beni to rf or just beni to c.f. I wouldn't say that would be a major hole in cf
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