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Post by beasleyrockah on Feb 5, 2018 23:35:38 GMT -5
Todd Frazier barely got more than Mitch Moreland, and while he's a flawed player he's easily better than Moreland. I'd much rather have Frazier at that deal than Moreland for his deal.
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Post by jiant2520 on Feb 5, 2018 23:43:15 GMT -5
I hope the Sox do not get Holland, unless he takes a one year deal, which he won't, if they miss on JD. That could be bad financially... could you imagine 15-16 mil for Holland and then 16-18 mil for Kimbrel for multiple years? Love him on a one year though.
If JD is out, I would prefer Duda on a year or two to DH, even share DH with Hanley. I still like Hosmer, but @%$! 8 years!
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Post by soxjim on Feb 6, 2018 0:32:36 GMT -5
Ok... so... what if the Sox don't sign JDM? I mean, what if they decide to use the $150 million-ish they'd need for him and did something like sign Logan Morrison, Greg Holland, and still save a few bucks? I mean, Morrison did hit 38 hrs in the Sox's division last year. Of course he is not the same level player, and he is not righthanded, but if the Sox need a bit of thump, he is that. And Holland in the 8th? Forget about it. I suspect they could get Morrison for 3-year/$40 mill, and Holland for 3-year/$50 mill. That is a pretty big savings over JDM, and it keeps them from those last few years of dead money. Please no Logan Morrison. He's a Duda clone which is not what Sox should be going for. Like Duda, Logan gets wiped out vs elite pitching with the game on the line. Take a look at duda's numbers from 2013 to present in high leverage and Logan's 2015 to present. Their numbers stink.
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Post by GyIantosca on Feb 6, 2018 6:57:33 GMT -5
I rather do nothing, go into season and if you need to make a move you determine how major. It could be Xander or Swihart. Maybe the core comes back big time and puts it together. I keep saying to myself the JD Martinez reeks of the same year Hanley and Pablo. They were the two best offensive bats that offseason. Now I counting the days till Hanley is gone and we ate the rest of Pablo’s money.
One more thing I wan to see what the 5 or 6 kids look like on the team. They ran out of options or can help. Swihart, Travis, Chavis, Brentz, Castillo. If you want to add Lin, the other kid who plays the infield and got hurt. I think we have the makings of a strong deep young bench very exciting. Chavis really got me pumped. First rounder who can hit the ball.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 6, 2018 9:37:30 GMT -5
Todd Frazier barely got more than Mitch Moreland, and while he's a flawed player he's easily better than Moreland. I'd much rather have Frazier at that deal than Moreland for his deal. As this offseason goes on the Moreland signing looks more and more baffling. Was the point supposed to be negotiating leverage with Martinez or something?
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 6, 2018 9:43:23 GMT -5
Todd Frazier barely got more than Mitch Moreland, and while he's a flawed player he's easily better than Moreland. I'd much rather have Frazier at that deal than Moreland for his deal. As this offseason goes on the Moreland signing looks more and more baffling. Was the point supposed to be negotiating leverage with Martinez or something? Probably, but also as a backup 1B option. That being said, I think it was a misread of the market based on where everyone's asking price was, and thinking that what normally happens would, meaning some team would meet ludicrous demand.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 6, 2018 13:45:09 GMT -5
Yeah, that's my point precisely. I don't have a problem with bringing Moreland back. I have a problem with jumping on Moreland that early and at that price.
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Post by huskies15 on Feb 6, 2018 15:28:59 GMT -5
I agree that it was a misread of the market. As a guy who initially liked the Moreland deal, I'm walking that back due to what the market has borne out for similar/better players.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 6, 2018 18:07:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that's my point precisely. I don't have a problem with bringing Moreland back. I have a problem with jumping on Moreland that early and at that price. No question. Totally agree. I think they wanted to make a slightly safe play and guarantee that they got someone in case the market moved quickly and teams bit quickly, which wasn't necessarily terrible thinking based on how previous years had gone, but clearly in hindsight, it was a mistake
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 6, 2018 19:13:54 GMT -5
Yeah, that's my point precisely. I don't have a problem with bringing Moreland back. I have a problem with jumping on Moreland that early and at that price. No question. Totally agree. I think they wanted to make a slightly safe play and guarantee that they got someone in case the market moved quickly and teams bit quickly, which wasn't necessarily terrible thinking based on how previous years had gone, but clearly in hindsight, it was a mistake My thoughts exactly. Interesting off season though, will it be the precurser to change? I still think the Sox end up with JDM.
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Post by swingingbunt on Feb 6, 2018 21:09:56 GMT -5
It's hard to blame Dave Dombrowski for missing the market, when we've literally never seen a market like this. Having said that, he missed it.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 6, 2018 21:51:12 GMT -5
It's hard to blame Dave Dombrowski for missing the market, when we've literally never seen a market like this. Having said that, he missed it. Correct. I don't fault DD for this. Now if someone other than Boston ends up with JDM for like 5/100, then it's a different story
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 7, 2018 12:40:25 GMT -5
Yeah, that's my point precisely. I don't have a problem with bringing Moreland back. I have a problem with jumping on Moreland that early and at that price. At the time I felt like the Moreland deal was insurance in case they didn't get what they wanted. They paid maybe 3 million more than if they had waited, but that has allowed them to wait on JDM (their main target) where many more millions are at stake, while saying 'we have a 1b and DH we feel good about'. Dombrowski took the conservative approach rather than gambling to save a couple million.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 8, 2018 0:49:41 GMT -5
Looking at the other side, if DD had an inkling of what was going to happen in the market, maybe MorelandHanley/Castillo is the insurance plan should it continue into the season.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 9, 2018 11:23:33 GMT -5
So at this point, there's not a ton of "roster building" left to do - I think we can all agree they're not going to be doing much beyond signing a player or two at this point. A lot of discussion in here is duplicative of what could be or even is happening elsewhere (like one of the actual JDM threads, or a new Nunez thread I'll move some discussion to). I'm going to close this down now.
If you have something you'd like to post about that there really isn't a thread for (e.g., maybe 2018 bullpen signings or something), go ahead and start a thread!
Just for everyone's info, this is kind of why I don't love "mega-threads." You wind up with lots of duplicative discussion that should all be in once place.
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