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2018 Red Sox roster building
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Post by larrycook on Jan 21, 2018 22:49:30 GMT -5
This is fantastic news and a great sign the surgery worked! I have always thought he had potential to be a number 2 in a rotation!
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 22, 2018 15:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by bigmarty58 on Jan 27, 2018 9:33:41 GMT -5
Yes we could use the power that JDM would provide but the sox should not bid against themselves to accomplish signing this player. Stick to the 5 year 100 million offer. Other wise with a new field manager that will not cost the club victories like the last two years let's see how this team does in the first third of the season. If the club needs a bat still make a move either through a trade or a deadline deal. DD please avoid overspending for JDM. Our club has so many excellent young players that should be the core of this team for the next 7 - 10 years, do not forget that they will need to be paid.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 27, 2018 12:54:39 GMT -5
Yes we could use the power that JDM would provide but the sox should not bid against themselves to accomplish signing this player. Stick to the 5 year 100 million offer. Other wise with a new field manager that will not cost the club victories like the last two years let's see how this team does in the first third of the season. If the club needs a bat still make a move either through a trade or a deadline deal. DD please avoid overspending for JDM. Our club has so many excellent young players that should be the core of this team for the next 7 - 10 years, do not forget that they will need to be paid. That brings you into the conversation of cost in cash vs cost in prospects. Picking up a power bat midway through the season can take a big prospect package to get it done sometimes. If teams are willing to sell, then it’s a viable option. Just have to be careful when it comes to mortgaging what’s left of the farm.
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Post by gerry on Jan 27, 2018 14:15:30 GMT -5
Yes we could use the power that JDM would provide but the sox should not bid against themselves to accomplish signing this player. Stick to the 5 year 100 million offer. Other wise with a new field manager that will not cost the club victories like the last two years let's see how this team does in the first third of the season. If the club needs a bat still make a move either through a trade or a deadline deal. DD please avoid overspending for JDM. Our club has so many excellent young players that should be the core of this team for the next 7 - 10 years, do not forget that they will need to be paid. That brings you into the conversation of cost in cash vs cost in prospects. Picking up a power bat midway through the season can take a big prospect package to get it done sometimes. If teams are willing to sell, then it’s a viable option. Just have to be careful when it comes to mortgaging what’s left of the farm. Agree that setting the team up to win, in what is left of the off-season, is a far better plan than plundering what's left of the Farm for a mid-season trade because of inaction now. The Farm needs to be rebuilt 2017-2020, and "the kids" need to be extended, in order to remain competitive long term. JDM may be an ideal addition to this offense, but he should not be idealized. Duda or LoMo and others are still available at costs that would also allow signing, for example, Nunez. Combined, Duda (or LoMo) and Nunez could add power to the tune of 40 HR and 40 2B, as well as 40 SB in the Sox aggressive running game, enhancing two key components of runs production over 2017. Importantly, the Sox also have a few legitimate offensive wild cards in house with Swihart, Brentz and maybe, by 2019, Chavis and Ockimey, one or three of whom could move the runs scored needle. In this scenario, Hanley would also be a relevant part of moving that needle platooning with LHB MM and Duda. Although JDM may be option #1, options 2 or 3 might be close behind. If, as it seems, JDM's interest in playing at Fenway (vs the desert where he produced at the highest level in his career) then perhaps Groundhog Day should be the latest date on which to move on. I am fine with that.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jan 27, 2018 15:27:05 GMT -5
If we look at the park dimension considerations, JDM should do fine in the AL East. We have lots of HR parks and they are comparable at least in dimension to Chase field. Of course the lack of air humidity is a big factor but we have lots of opportunity for him to hit well in the AL East. He should get more doubles and hit for a better average in Fenway and the situation in Baltimore and Toronto should fatten his HR totals. He just needs to keep getting the ball in the air and he looks like that is mission accomplished. Here are the dimensions in Chase field:
Chase Field size:
Left Field – 330 ft (101 m) Left-Center – 374 ft (114 m) Left-Center (deep) – 413 ft (126 m) Center Field – 407 ft (124 m) Right-Center (deep) – 413 ft (126 m) Right-Center – 374 ft (114 m) Right Field – 334 ft (102 m)
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Post by dirtdog on Jan 29, 2018 21:47:38 GMT -5
Domingo Santana a fall back if JDM doesnt sign? Brewers shopping him. A 3.0 WAR but a young cheap power bat.
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Post by rookie13 on Jan 29, 2018 22:15:13 GMT -5
Domingo Santana a fall back if JDM doesnt sign? Brewers shopping him. A 3.0 WAR but a young cheap power bat. I don't see how he's a fallback. There's several reasons a trade wouldn't work/doesn't make sense, but the main one is that the Sox don't need an outfielder. Yes, they need offense; but, acquiring Santana pushes someone to DH, which doesn't make any sense.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 30, 2018 1:43:03 GMT -5
Domingo Santana a fall back if JDM doesnt sign? Brewers shopping him. A 3.0 WAR but a young cheap power bat. I don't see how he's a fallback. There's several reasons a trade wouldn't work/doesn't make sense, but the main one is that the Sox don't need an outfielder. Yes, they need offense; but, acquiring Santana pushes someone to DH, which doesn't make any sense. Theoretically Santana would be the DH. He is not a good outfielder. He would probably best be served as a part time outfielder. Either way the trade scenario still doesn't add up because of what you'd have to give up, which is most likely Eduardo Rodriguez. I for one wouldn't want to get rid of Eduardo for Santana. Santana is good but not great. That isn't worth Eduardo Rodriguez.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jan 30, 2018 8:13:54 GMT -5
I don't see how he's a fallback. There's several reasons a trade wouldn't work/doesn't make sense, but the main one is that the Sox don't need an outfielder. Yes, they need offense; but, acquiring Santana pushes someone to DH, which doesn't make any sense. Theoretically Santana would be the DH. He is not a good outfielder. He would probably best be served as a part time outfielder. Either way the trade scenario still doesn't add up because of what you'd have to give up, which is most likely Eduardo Rodriguez. I for one wouldn't want to get rid of Eduardo for Santana. Santana is good but not great. That isn't worth Eduardo Rodriguez. If you can't sign JDM then spending that money on Darvish and trading ERod for Santana would be a good move. Would probably be cheaper too bc I don't think Darvish will sign for a higher contract than JDM
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 30, 2018 9:51:05 GMT -5
That doesn't sound terrible but do we want Darvish for the next 5 yrs?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 30, 2018 10:13:24 GMT -5
I like Darvish and think he should be able to age well, it would also give them insurance in case they lose Pomeranz, Porcello and Price in the next few years. That being said I don't think it is an avenue they end up going down.
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Post by Coreno on Jan 30, 2018 10:42:37 GMT -5
The most cost-effective plan B to JDM is probably just rolling with Hanley to start the year.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 30, 2018 10:48:51 GMT -5
The most cost-effective plan B to JDM is probably just rolling with Hanley to start the year. In that scenario, now we have to worry about Hanley being completely ineffective for the whole year, but still getting enough plate appearances to activate his vesting option. At this point, unless Hanley shows me he’s 2016 Hanley and not last year’s version, I’m not sold on him being a full time player on our team.
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Post by Coreno on Jan 30, 2018 11:06:05 GMT -5
If Hanley is at or around replacement level, it means he probably isn't healthy enough to pass a physical. And if he's really that bad, he won't keep getting ABs. Maybe Brentz or Swihart get some of those starts. If they cant find someone in-house to give them production at DH, pick up a bat, maybe some expiring-contract rental. The only way I see Hanley's option vesting is if he absolutely mashes.
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Post by nomar on Jan 30, 2018 12:44:03 GMT -5
Cobb is a year younger than Darvish, will be significantly cheaper, and has pitched in this division. Neither is a great bet to give you 200 innings. If you could turn Pomeranz+ into Santana and sign Cobb, I’d probably be for it. It would give them the chance to at least chase Harper a bit next year, most likely.
Not sure I prefer that to just signing Martinez, but it wouldn’t be the worst idea.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 30, 2018 12:57:16 GMT -5
I like Cobb and think he could end up being one of the biggest if not the biggest bargain of the offseason so I would be on board to grab him. I just worry about giving up the draft pick to sign him with him getting tendered the qualifying offer. This team needs to build up the farm again and losing that pick and the slot money could be a huge detriment to that.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 30, 2018 13:03:50 GMT -5
That doesn't sound terrible but do we want Darvish for the next 5 yrs? Yes. He’s fully back from TJ which means his arm should be healthy for a while, and I really don’t think you can read anything into his tough World Series. I don’t see any red flags with him, other than the ones baked into every free agent pitcher.
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Post by manfred on Jan 30, 2018 13:49:36 GMT -5
That doesn't sound terrible but do we want Darvish for the next 5 yrs? Yes. He’s fully back from TJ which means his arm should be healthy for a while, and I really don’t think you can read anything into his tough World Series. I don’t see any red flags with him, other than the ones baked into every free agent pitcher. I was initially thinking, yeah, Darvish is great, he would be a huge addition. Then I looked at his numbers and was kind of shocked. He’s only made 30 starts twice, only made 200 innings once. Obviously much of that has to do with his elbow (season before he sat he was around 100, season after just working back). But it seems tough to go into a guy’s 37th year with a contract when in his 20s he struggled to pitch big innings. Again, you can say the elbow was a one-off. On the other hand, he was not as good as his likely asking price in Texas last year. I think Darvish is a lock to be an overpay, maybe an anchor in his latter seasons.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 30, 2018 13:51:43 GMT -5
Cobb is a year younger than Darvish, will be significantly cheaper, and has pitched in this division. Neither is a great bet to give you 200 innings. If you could turn Pomeranz+ into Santana and sign Cobb, I’d probably be for it. It would give them the chance to at least chase Harper a bit next year, most likely. Not sure I prefer that to just signing Martinez, but it wouldn’t be the worst idea. To the extent you meant it literally (perhaps not very much), there are like 4 pitchers in baseball who are "great bets" to pitch 200 innings. 15 guys did it last year and only 35 passed 180. EDIT: On manfred's point, Darvish has only made 30 starts twice, but made 29 once. And he's only pitched 200 once, but he's also pitched 191 and 186. Seems silly to ding him for not reaching 200 and 30 when he got close often. He had the one extended stretch of injuries, but appears finally healthy after 31/186 last year.
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Post by manfred on Jan 30, 2018 14:24:20 GMT -5
Cobb is a year younger than Darvish, will be significantly cheaper, and has pitched in this division. Neither is a great bet to give you 200 innings. If you could turn Pomeranz+ into Santana and sign Cobb, I’d probably be for it. It would give them the chance to at least chase Harper a bit next year, most likely. Not sure I prefer that to just signing Martinez, but it wouldn’t be the worst idea. To the extent you meant it literally (perhaps not very much), there are like 4 pitchers in baseball who are "great bets" to pitch 200 innings. 15 guys did it last year and only 35 passed 180. EDIT: On manfred's point, Darvish has only made 30 starts twice, but made 29 once. And he's only pitched 200 once, but he's also pitched 191 and 186. Seems silly to ding him for not reaching 200 and 30 when he got close often. He had the one extended stretch of injuries, but appears finally healthy after 31/186 last year. I was thinking big picture: I don’t want to sign a guy to an ace contract as he’s moving (likely) out of his prime in light of other options. Dings are relative. Guy is a great pitcher when healthy. But I am not enthusiastic about having an aging Darvish and Price (if he doesn’t opt out) taking up $50+ Million of payroll. He’s 31, and he’s looking for a big, big contract. I am reluctant to be the guy who gives it to him. As for last year, he was good without being worth ace money. Pomeranz was actually better by a decent margin and I’d probably drop dead if I read the Sox signed him to a 5-year $100 million extension. Might make me cry. And obviously Darvish has been a better pitcher, but that was before a major injury and he is two years older. If you look at even bWAR, say, Pom is better since 2015. Is that partly because Darvish was hurt? Yes. But, well, he was hurt: I don’t like that history in a guy who is turning 32 and looking for 5 years. Edit: obviously, if I had one game, I’d take Darvish ahead of Pom in a heartbeat. But the last time he actually put together a better season than Pom was 2014. So if you pay him ace money you are hoping that he can regain the form he had 4 years ago and maintain something like that 4 years from now. Seems a bad bet.
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Post by KB24 on Jan 30, 2018 14:25:01 GMT -5
Mookie's arbitration hearing is today. Does anyone know if the ruling will be announced today or at a later date?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 30, 2018 15:40:34 GMT -5
I was thinking big picture: I don’t want to sign a guy to an ace contract as he’s moving (likely) out of his prime in light of other options. Dings are relative. Guy is a great pitcher when healthy. But I am not enthusiastic about having an aging Darvish and Price (if he doesn’t opt out) taking up $50+ Million of payroll. He’s 31, and he’s looking for a big, big contract. I am reluctant to be the guy who gives it to him. As for last year, he was good without being worth ace money. Pomeranz was actually better by a decent margin and I’d probably drop dead if I read the Sox signed him to a 5-year $100 million extension. Might make me cry. And obviously Darvish has been a better pitcher, but that was before a major injury and he is two years older. If you look at even bWAR, say, Pom is better since 2015. Is that partly because Darvish was hurt? Yes. But, well, he was hurt: I don’t like that history in a guy who is turning 32 and looking for 5 years. Edit: obviously, if I had one game, I’d take Darvish ahead of Pom in a heartbeat. But the last time he actually put together a better season than Pom was 2014. So if you pay him ace money you are hoping that he can regain the form he had 4 years ago and maintain something like that 4 years from now. Seems a bad bet. Darvish is coming off his worst year while Pomeranz is coming off his best, but Darvish still had better peripherals (FIP, xFIP, K/9, BB/9) while pitching more innings than Pomeranz career high. Darvish was better in the past and is much more likely to be better going forward. But I agree that giving an ace contract to a 31 yo pitcher is a bad idea. These days that would be 30m+/yr, so it really depends on whether he has a market at that salary or if he drops into the 25m/yr area. This off-season it's best to keep the options open and see who signs for cheap.
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Post by manfred on Jan 30, 2018 16:25:34 GMT -5
I was thinking big picture: I don’t want to sign a guy to an ace contract as he’s moving (likely) out of his prime in light of other options. Dings are relative. Guy is a great pitcher when healthy. But I am not enthusiastic about having an aging Darvish and Price (if he doesn’t opt out) taking up $50+ Million of payroll. He’s 31, and he’s looking for a big, big contract. I am reluctant to be the guy who gives it to him. As for last year, he was good without being worth ace money. Pomeranz was actually better by a decent margin and I’d probably drop dead if I read the Sox signed him to a 5-year $100 million extension. Might make me cry. And obviously Darvish has been a better pitcher, but that was before a major injury and he is two years older. If you look at even bWAR, say, Pom is better since 2015. Is that partly because Darvish was hurt? Yes. But, well, he was hurt: I don’t like that history in a guy who is turning 32 and looking for 5 years. Edit: obviously, if I had one game, I’d take Darvish ahead of Pom in a heartbeat. But the last time he actually put together a better season than Pom was 2014. So if you pay him ace money you are hoping that he can regain the form he had 4 years ago and maintain something like that 4 years from now. Seems a bad bet. Darvish is coming off his worst year while Pomeranz is coming off his best, but Darvish still had better peripherals (FIP, xFIP, K/9, BB/9) while pitching more innings than Pomeranz career high. Darvish was better in the past and is much more likely to be better going forward. But I agree that giving an ace contract to a 31 yo pitcher is a bad idea. These days that would be 30m+/yr, so it really depends on whether he has a market at that salary or if he drops into the 25m/yr area. This off-season it's best to keep the options open and see who signs for cheap. Now... I chose Pomeranz to be slightly cheeky, because I know that we Sox fans love him, but he also drives us crazy. But.... Darvish marginally had better peripherals: the innings were near even; his Ks were higher, but, well, so what? 9 or 10 -- it is good. And Ks only mean something if you are doing the other things. Pom had a much better ERA+ and better bWAR (for sabermetricists); better ERA and W/L (for traditionalists). Further: if you look at Darvish's numbers broken down AL/NL, his NL numbers help him a good deal. I am not sure I am confident that his Dodger numbers translate to Fenway. Edit: by the way... the FIP? Darvish was literally 0.01 better. That is, I grant, technically better. Finally, Pom most certainly did have a better 2016 -- again, with all sorts of caveats that -- were I not being somewhat cheeky about this choice of comp, I'd acknowledge -- he had a lower ERA (though admittedly higher adjusted) many more innings (again -- a reason for that -- but a reason that factors into a big contract), much higher WAR, more wins, etc. etc. etc. Again, Darvish is theoretically a better pitcher, and he is in an ideal one game performance likely light years better. But he hasn't been for a years for reasons mostly beyond his control. That is the guy you'd be buying, though.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 30, 2018 17:11:30 GMT -5
That doesn't sound terrible but do we want Darvish for the next 5 yrs? Yes. He’s fully back from TJ which means his arm should be healthy for a while, and I really don’t think you can read anything into his tough World Series. I don’t see any red flags with him, other than the ones baked into every free agent pitcher. It's private information about whether MLB's new baseball that they just decided to test out for the playoffs will be used moving forward and how much that affects Darvish. He couldn't even throw a slider with that ball so that turns him into a completely different pitcher. MLB is really ticking me off lately with stupid moves like that.
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