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Post by gerry on Dec 27, 2017 14:35:48 GMT -5
Given this information from James and Chris re: extreme usage of Porcello, Sale, Pom in 2017, I wonder if the "World Series hangover" dilemma might apply in 2018. Might it also apply to Velasquez who seemingly pitched thru summer, fall and winter leagues non-stop? Having this deep bullpen will be a big help if this hangover effect is real. By the same token, the minimal use, due to injury, of Price, ERod, Wright and Johnson might allow them to add innings to compensate, and be effective when the rust is gone. It is good having 8+ good SP's and BP depth. Velazquez didn't pitch in Mexico until December 15. He had two and a half months off. (Also noteworthy is that he threw all of 8 innings in September/October, 4 of those on October 1, so he basically had September off too.) They also handled him with kid gloves to start the season on account of his pitching 216 innings between the Mexican summer and winter leagues the previous season, leading to his only having pitched 126 innings in the U.S. this year. The Mexican League's regular season ends this week, with the playoffs taking the month of January. He's only made two starts, so assume he makes one more, bringing him to 10 or 11 innings in the regular season, then makes like 4 playoff starts at most - he still will fall WELL short of his innings total from 2016. I'm not concerned about him. That is good news, no "hangover" then. Thanks. His talent seems real, so he could become an important RHSP this coming season, able to also contribute innings if necessary.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 27, 2017 14:43:27 GMT -5
Just trying to connect the dots on J.D. Martinez, would everyone say that Boras bringing Martinez to the winter meetings is a sign of desperation due to a lack of market? That is how I take it. When is the last time a player of that magnitude had to go virtually sell himself to teams trying to bid on his services? I know it happens all the time to players who are looking for jobs and are trying to make it to the majors (Chris Callabello comes to mind, he use to tell everyone how'd he'd go to the winter meetings to sell himself), but Martinez is a big time free agent and doesn't really need to sell himself outside of his stats. Desperation is a strong word. I think I would go with that. Certainly JDM and Scott are VERY concerned about the market. I like what umass proposed. Offer a number with a deadline. Lower the numbers each time Scott goes past the deadline. Maybe in Feb you end up with JDM 3 yrs for 25per. Probably spitting in the wind, but you never know. Cleve got a great deal on EE last year. Lots of good points made on this site about who really is the market for JDM? No deadlines. The Sox have all winter to sign J.D. Martinez or they'll probably go with what they got into spring training. As Dombrowski stated, they are comfortable with what they have on the roster now, but they very much desire J.D. Martinez. Leave a offer on the table. Make it a fair offer that's available anytime Boras and J.D. Martinez wants it and see where that gets you by the time spring training starts.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 27, 2017 14:48:43 GMT -5
Just trying to connect the dots on J.D. Martinez, would everyone say that Boras bringing Martinez to the winter meetings is a sign of desperation due to a lack of market? That is how I take it. When is the last time a player of that magnitude had to go virtually sell himself to teams trying to bid on his services? I know it happens all the time to players who are looking for jobs and are trying to make it to the majors (Chris Callabello comes to mind, he use to tell everyone how'd he'd go to the winter meetings to sell himself), but Martinez is a big time free agent and doesn't really need to sell himself outside of his stats. I wouldn't put any major stock in the idea of the Sox signing Bryce Harper or Manny Machado next offseason. Doubt those things happen. I wouldn't count on those things happening either. They hate hefty long term deals over at Fenway. I don't think this ownership group has ever made a deal or extension worth over 7 years. Obviously it'll take way more than that to get either player. I have my sights set on Arenado the year after if I'm the Sox.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 27, 2017 15:11:41 GMT -5
Just trying to connect the dots on J.D. Martinez, would everyone say that Boras bringing Martinez to the winter meetings is a sign of desperation due to a lack of market? That is how I take it. When is the last time a player of that magnitude had to go virtually sell himself to teams trying to bid on his services? I know it happens all the time to players who are looking for jobs and are trying to make it to the majors (Chris Callabello comes to mind, he use to tell everyone how'd he'd go to the winter meetings to sell himself), but Martinez is a big time free agent and doesn't really need to sell himself outside of his stats. It seems kind of strange to me. It's a little different than a Chris Callabello who's simply trying to get a job. It's like Boras is trying to have him sell himself as an elite hitter worthy of humungous dollars. I do think Martinez is one of the best hitters in baseball - don't know if the word "elite" is appropriate here, but he's better than very good. Obviously he has until spring training or whatever to sign, but at this point, I've got to wonder - who does he want to play for? I get that it's usually all about the money, but c'mon here, do you want to sign with what is probably the only team willing to throw very huge dollars at you or hope that somebody gets crazy and desperate as spring training nears? Does he want to play for the Red Sox or not? I'm guessing the Sox are at around 5 years $110 million or perhaps even 6 years $132 and Boras is looking for 7 years $200 million and since the Sox wouldn't be close he's waiting for somebody, anybody to jump on in. The really big market teams like LA and NY aren't biting, and the wealthier teams like SF and the Cubs aren't biting. So that leaves a lower middle class team like Toronto. Is it totally all about the money or do you actually want to play for the Red Sox, as you'd have to play for somebody? There's nothing wrong with Martinez and Boras are doing and certainly nothing wrong with how the Red Sox are handling it, and my feelings certainly don't matter here, but since this is a board to talk about the Red Sox, I have to admit the excitement of the will he or won't he sign is kind of diminished. At this point you would think he'd sign with the Sox - don't know if anybody is going to anywhere near what Boras wants his client to get, but even if the Sox get him I personally won't feel as excited as I would have been had they landed him at the winter meetings or thereabouts - and yes, I know rationally it doesn't matter when they get him - makes no difference at all, yet irrationally the feeling about it is only kind of diminished. The only real intense feeling left is disappointment if they don't get him, because I think he possesses the only bat that's a true difference maker out there, and I wouldn't put any major stock in the idea of the Sox signing Bryce Harper or Manny Machado next offseason. Doubt those things happen. If I'm the Red Sox, I would probably have an offer of 5/110 or 6/120 on the table and wait for them to blink. I just can't see any team competing with the Red Sox for him. I'd stand firm at 6/150 unless there's a big discount for the 7th year. DD is being smart here by not doing what he usually does in paying full price to get his guy early. You absolutely have to play hardball with Boras or you're always going to create a new market and bid against yourself because of impatience.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 27, 2017 15:31:05 GMT -5
It seems kind of strange to me. It's a little different than a Chris Callabello who's simply trying to get a job. It's like Boras is trying to have him sell himself as an elite hitter worthy of humungous dollars. I do think Martinez is one of the best hitters in baseball - don't know if the word "elite" is appropriate here, but he's better than very good. Obviously he has until spring training or whatever to sign, but at this point, I've got to wonder - who does he want to play for? I get that it's usually all about the money, but c'mon here, do you want to sign with what is probably the only team willing to throw very huge dollars at you or hope that somebody gets crazy and desperate as spring training nears? Does he want to play for the Red Sox or not? I'm guessing the Sox are at around 5 years $110 million or perhaps even 6 years $132 and Boras is looking for 7 years $200 million and since the Sox wouldn't be close he's waiting for somebody, anybody to jump on in. The really big market teams like LA and NY aren't biting, and the wealthier teams like SF and the Cubs aren't biting. So that leaves a lower middle class team like Toronto. Is it totally all about the money or do you actually want to play for the Red Sox, as you'd have to play for somebody? There's nothing wrong with Martinez and Boras are doing and certainly nothing wrong with how the Red Sox are handling it, and my feelings certainly don't matter here, but since this is a board to talk about the Red Sox, I have to admit the excitement of the will he or won't he sign is kind of diminished. At this point you would think he'd sign with the Sox - don't know if anybody is going to anywhere near what Boras wants his client to get, but even if the Sox get him I personally won't feel as excited as I would have been had they landed him at the winter meetings or thereabouts - and yes, I know rationally it doesn't matter when they get him - makes no difference at all, yet irrationally the feeling about it is only kind of diminished. The only real intense feeling left is disappointment if they don't get him, because I think he possesses the only bat that's a true difference maker out there, and I wouldn't put any major stock in the idea of the Sox signing Bryce Harper or Manny Machado next offseason. Doubt those things happen. If I'm the Red Sox, I would probably have an offer of 5/110 or 6/120 on the table and wait for them to blink. I just can't see any team competing with the Red Sox for him. I'd stand firm at 6/150 unless there's a big discount for the 7th year. DD is being smart here by not doing what he usually does in paying full price to get his guy early. You absolutely have to play hardball with Boras or you're always going to create a new market and bid against yourself because of impatience. Again absolutely logical, absolutely correct. Totally agree. I'm probably not saying well what I'm trying to express (wouldn't be the first time) - as a fan I'm disappointed that they have to go through this song and dance to get this done. I understand negotiating is part of the process - again all logical things here. Yet as a fan I can't help but think, "JD, the Sox are offering you a lot of money, much more than any other team is likely going to offer you - what are you waiting for? Do you actually WANT to play for my team?" Do you actually have any excitement or desire to become a Boston Red Sox or is this all entirely mercenary? You won't be poor playing for the Red Sox. From a real-world standpoint who cares? If he signs with the Sox, hits the crap out of the ball, all is forgotten as to whether he signed on Dec 10th when we're all ready emotionally for some hot stove action as opposed to January whenever, but I guess the excitement value is gone for me, sucked through some long windy straw. Which is a reason I can't stand Scott Boras. This is so typical Boras. But hey, he doesn't do it without a willing sheep, I mean player. Doesn't have that feel good vibe of the time Mike Lowell made it clear he wanted to re-sign, actually look less years to sign in Boston and extended his stay in Boston (never mind that he got hurt and it really didn't work out great). Obviously Martinez doesn't have the ties to Boston Lowell had, but I'm just talking the sense that a player not only likes the contract offer but also really wants to play for your team which wasn't the feeling I got when Sandoval signed ("The mean old Giants want me to watch my weight - Wah, but my new team doesn't care.").
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Post by Bogey2Short on Dec 27, 2017 17:46:16 GMT -5
In all honesty, what other teams are seriously in the mix for J.D.? It seems like he seriously doesn't have much leverage right now, but he and Boras are just sitting around a campfire praying that that godsend $200 million contract comes in...
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Post by ramireja on Dec 27, 2017 17:52:15 GMT -5
In all honesty, what other teams are seriously in the mix for J.D.? It seems like he seriously doesn't have much leverage right now, but he and Boras are just sitting around a campfire praying that that godsend $200 million contract comes in... It's hard to say for sure....the Giants are the other team have been involved in the rumor mill although their fit doesn't seem strong at this point. Toronto scares me a little as players so I'm keeping an eye on their offseason. That they've had a very quiet offseason so far makes me think they could be in play for a bigger name and are waiting to see what happens before making smaller moves.
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Post by ryan24 on Dec 28, 2017 7:13:46 GMT -5
Desperation is a strong word. I think I would go with that. Certainly JDM and Scott are VERY concerned about the market. I like what umass proposed. Offer a number with a deadline. Lower the numbers each time Scott goes past the deadline. Maybe in Feb you end up with JDM 3 yrs for 25per. Probably spitting in the wind, but you never know. Cleve got a great deal on EE last year. Lots of good points made on this site about who really is the market for JDM? No deadlines. The Sox have all winter to sign J.D. Martinez or they'll probably go with what they got into spring training. As Dombrowski stated, they are comfortable with what they have on the roster now, but they very much desire J.D. Martinez. Leave a offer on the table. Make it a fair offer that's available anytime Boras and J.D. Martinez wants it and see where that gets you by the time spring training starts. I like your idea better. A fair offer is a good idea. Keeps the player happy. Do not annoy future players who may want to sign later. I think I like the umass idea because dealing with Boras is frustrating. It would be more getting back at Boras than JDM. What do you say a fair offer is? Do you think Dave is playing a game with liking his roster the way it is?
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Post by ryan24 on Dec 28, 2017 7:34:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't put any major stock in the idea of the Sox signing Bryce Harper or Manny Machado next offseason. Doubt those things happen. I wouldn't count on those things happening either. They hate hefty long term deals over at Fenway. I don't think this ownership group has ever made a deal or extension worth over 7 years. Obviously it'll take way more than that to get either player. I have my sights set on Arenado the year after if I'm the Sox. It has come up at different times and I am beginning to see some truth to the thought that the big market teams do not have or want to spend the monies that have been thrown out on the internet. What big market team has the need or the money available per cap constraints to sign someone next year for 250 to 400 mil and 7-10 yr contracts. Yanks need a pitcher not another hitter. Dodgers need/ want Clay back, but are getting flack from the mlb offices to control payroll better. Cubs need pitching. The giants have payroll problems already with an old roster. The nats want harper back, but already have lots of money tied up. So how high will they go? The sox with all their own guys coming due and not wanting lengthy costly contracts may not be a huge player either. This in some ways looks like what is going on in the NBA with teams in general rethinking the salary structure and how much money do they really have available. So, how hefty and long are next winters deals going to be?
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 28, 2017 7:49:09 GMT -5
6 years for 150 million is more than fair and more than I would have said a few months ago. I am guessing the Sox are offering more like 5/110 right now, obviously just pulling that out of thin air.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 28, 2017 12:52:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't count on those things happening either. They hate hefty long term deals over at Fenway. I don't think this ownership group has ever made a deal or extension worth over 7 years. Obviously it'll take way more than that to get either player. I have my sights set on Arenado the year after if I'm the Sox. It has come up at different times and I am beginning to see some truth to the thought that the big market teams do not have or want to spend the monies that have been thrown out on the internet. What big market team has the need or the money available per cap constraints to sign someone next year for 250 to 400 mil and 7-10 yr contracts. Yanks need a pitcher not another hitter. Dodgers need/ want Clay back, but are getting flack from the mlb offices to control payroll better. Cubs need pitching. The giants have payroll problems already with an old roster. The nats want harper back, but already have lots of money tied up. So how high will they go? The sox with all their own guys coming due and not wanting lengthy costly contracts may not be a huge player either. This in some ways looks like what is going on in the NBA with teams in general rethinking the salary structure and how much money do they really have available. So, how hefty and long are next winters deals going to be? Harper and Machado are still getting 10 plus years. The Braves and Phillies don't have money committed at all really and are going to be real players for free agents soon.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 28, 2017 12:57:12 GMT -5
In all honesty, what other teams are seriously in the mix for J.D.? It seems like he seriously doesn't have much leverage right now, but he and Boras are just sitting around a campfire praying that that godsend $200 million contract comes in... It's hard to say for sure....the Giants are the other team have been involved in the rumor mill although their fit doesn't seem strong at this point. Toronto scares me a little as players so I'm keeping an eye on their offseason. That they've had a very quiet offseason so far makes me think they could be in play for a bigger name and are waiting to see what happens before making smaller moves. Toronto really is the only place that's plausible. However, after seeing how they dealt with Encarnacion, I doubt we see a major move from the Jays. Maybe they covet Martinez a lot more than Encarnacion, but that's unlikely. I think a McCutchen trade or a Cargo signing is much more likely. A outfield of Pierce and Martinez would be really bad too, even with Pillar in the middle of the outfield. I can't really find a serious suiter outside of the Sox. He really needs to DH to get full value in his bat and there isn't a team besides Boston that can offer that position to J.D.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 28, 2017 13:51:34 GMT -5
It has come up at different times and I am beginning to see some truth to the thought that the big market teams do not have or want to spend the monies that have been thrown out on the internet. What big market team has the need or the money available per cap constraints to sign someone next year for 250 to 400 mil and 7-10 yr contracts. Yanks need a pitcher not another hitter. Dodgers need/ want Clay back, but are getting flack from the mlb offices to control payroll better. Cubs need pitching. The giants have payroll problems already with an old roster. The nats want harper back, but already have lots of money tied up. So how high will they go? The sox with all their own guys coming due and not wanting lengthy costly contracts may not be a huge player either. This in some ways looks like what is going on in the NBA with teams in general rethinking the salary structure and how much money do they really have available. So, how hefty and long are next winters deals going to be? Harper and Machado are still getting 10 plus years. The Braves and Phillies don't have money committed at all really and are going to be real players for free agents soon. We'll see, I'm not so sure. They would both need to have huge years. Both of those guys aren't ARod type players. The whole league basically just passed on 10 years 250 million for Stanton. They are going to get big deals, but unless they have off the chart seasons 400 million or anything even close to that looks like a pipe dream at this point.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 28, 2017 15:10:05 GMT -5
Harper and Machado are still getting 10 plus years. The Braves and Phillies don't have money committed at all really and are going to be real players for free agents soon. We'll see, I'm not so sure. They would both need to have huge years. Both of those guys aren't ARod type players. The whole league basically just passed on 10 years 250 million for Stanton. They are going to get big deals, but unless they have off the chart seasons 400 million or anything even close to that looks like a pipe dream at this point. Both Harper and Machado are better defensive players and are way younger. The Phillies and Braves are desperate for elite talent. The Yankees will be all over Machado at least. The Dodgers are also getting under the luxury tax threshold this year. They're getting huge deals regardless because of their ages and status in MLB.
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Post by 75tillnow on Dec 28, 2017 20:05:06 GMT -5
Here's a contrarian idea -- MLB rumors says that the Marlins are in "active" discussions with teams re Yelich and Realmuto, with the added observation that the Marlins are trying to package them with an eye to unloading a bigger contract (Tazawa, Zielger). As with any GM I'm sure DD has inquired. While the chances of this are slim, what about a package of Vaz/JBJ and a few on the farm (Mata? Chavis?) along with taking back, for example, Ziegler. That might well obviate the need for JD and leave cap room for a Nunez signing. Yes, a pipe dream. But possible? Desirable? Quite a line-up.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 28, 2017 20:32:20 GMT -5
Here's a contrarian idea -- MLB rumors says that the Marlins are in "active" discussions with teams re Yelich and Realmuto, with the added observation that the Marlins are trying to package them with an eye to unloading a bigger contract (Tazawa, Zielger). As with any GM I'm sure DD has inquired. While the chances of this are slim, what about a package of Vaz/JBJ and a few on the farm (Mata? Chavis?) along with taking back, for example, Ziegler. That might well obviate the need for JD and leave cap room for a Nunez signing. Yes, a pipe dream. But possible? Desirable? Quite a line-up. I think Realmuto and Yelich are offensive upgrades over Vazquez and Bradley, but not so much so that I would include Mata and Chavis. They all have three years left on their deals, except Yelich, who has four years. Vaz and JBJ are excellent defensively and one of the strengths of the team. Unless it is an impact bat that greatly improves the team, I would not trade players off the roster and prospects. Personally, I think we are pretty set at Catcher and CF, so this would not be desirable for me. DH is where we should be trying to add offense, in my opinion.
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Post by 75tillnow on Dec 28, 2017 20:38:14 GMT -5
Fair enough.
What I was expecting was: "that package would not bring back Yelich and Realmuto." Which, I think, is also fair. At any rate, doubt its happening. My comment was designed to think of alternate routes other than JD should he not work out. Personally I'm fine with him (in a reasonable contract).
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 28, 2017 20:51:39 GMT -5
Fair enough. What I was expecting was: "that package would not bring back Yelich and Realmuto." Which, I think, is also fair. At any rate, doubt its happening. My comment was designed to think of alternate routes other than JD should he not work out. Personally I'm fine with him (in a reasonable contract). In all honesty, Miami may not prefer that trade, as they may want all prospect, in which case the Sox would deplete the entire farm. If I am Boston, I don't like it either as we would give up two good players and two top prospects for two moderately better replacement players, for about the same amount of time, plus Realmuto will end up costing way more to resign than Vazquez in three yrs. Realmuto would be a nice add though. I have also been thinking up other options aside from JD Martinez. I like McCutchen as a trade. If not a trade, I could see Duda to pair with Moreland as lefties, keeping Ramirez and Brentz as righties and playing the match up game.
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Post by Bogey2Short on Dec 28, 2017 21:28:36 GMT -5
I know this is premature, but this is what I'm seeing RN in our Lineup:
RF: Betts: .280-.320 AVG .340-.360 OBP 20-30 HR's 20-30 SB's LF: Benny: .280-.300 AVG .350-.370 OBP 20-25 HR's 15-25 SB's DH: J.D.: .290-.310 AVG .360-.370 OBP 25-40 HR's N/A SS: BOGEY: .290-.310 AVG .350-.360 OBP 15-25 HR's 15-20 SB's 1B: M2B: .240-.260 AVG .320-.340 OBP 20-25 HR's N/A 3B: D=M .260-.300 AVG .320-.360 OBP 20-40 HR's N/A 2B: Pedey .270-.300.AVG .340-.360 OBP 5-10 HR's N/A C: CV .220-.290 AVG .320-.350 OBP 5-10 HR's N/A CF: JBJ .240-.270 AVG .330-.350 OBP 15-25 HR's 5-10 SB's
Bench: Holt, Hanley, Swihart or Leon, Brentz? Marrero?
Notes: 1:I'm a big M2B fan, and not much of a Hanley fan. I want Hanley to do well, but I just don't see it at this point.
2:I'm guessing there will be a positional battle for 2B in ST between: Lin, Marco, Marrero, that mexican signing guy, and Holt. I am guessing either Marrero or Marco win it
3:Really would like to see Travis get a chance, that kid is something special IMHO.
4: If you don't sign JD, Hanley, Travis, and Brentz will compete for DH in ST as I don't see Cora just handing the spot to Hanley.
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Dec 28, 2017 22:31:14 GMT -5
Fair enough. What I was expecting was: "that package would not bring back Yelich and Realmuto." Which, I think, is also fair. At any rate, doubt its happening. My comment was designed to think of alternate routes other than JD should he not work out. Personally I'm fine with him (in a reasonable contract). I don't think Miami would do it either. Miami's current projected payroll is 94 million and they want to drop down to approx 85-90ish million. So they are already not that far off from meeting their desired payroll number. There's easier and more creative ways they can do that then to trade away their two best players. Plus considering all the negative backlash the Miami front office has taken, they'd need some top-tier talent in exchange in order to make that trade. They're not in as bad of a negotiating position now than they were a few months ago.
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Post by soxjim on Dec 29, 2017 0:38:03 GMT -5
I know this is premature, but this is what I'm seeing RN in our Lineup: RF: Betts: .280-.320 AVG .340-.360 OBP 20-30 HR's 20-30 SB's LF: Benny: .280-.300 AVG .350-.370 OBP 20-25 HR's 15-25 SB's DH: J.D.: .290-.310 AVG .360-.370 OBP 25-40 HR's N/A SS: BOGEY: .290-.310 AVG .350-.360 OBP 15-25 HR's 15-20 SB's 1B: M2B: .240-.260 AVG .320-.340 OBP 20-25 HR's N/A 3B: D=M .260-.300 AVG .320-.360 OBP 20-40 HR's N/A 2B: Pedey .270-.300.AVG .340-.360 OBP 5-10 HR's N/A C: CV .220-.290 AVG .320-.350 OBP 5-10 HR's N/A CF: JBJ .240-.270 AVG .330-.350 OBP 15-25 HR's 5-10 SB's Bench: Holt, Hanley, Swihart or Leon, Brentz? Marrero? Notes: 1:I'm a big M2B fan, and not much of a Hanley fan. I want Hanley to do well, but I just don't see it at this point. 2:I'm guessing there will be a positional battle for 2B in ST between: Lin, Marco, Marrero, that mexican signing guy, and Holt. I am guessing either Marrero or Marco win it 3:Really would like to see Travis get a chance, that kid is something special IMHO. 4: If you don't sign JD, Hanley, Travis, and Brentz will compete for DH in ST as I don't see Cora just handing the spot to Hanley. I'm not a fan of MM or Travis. And I think if the sox sign JDM, I wouldn't sign Brentz. And I like Hernandez-- ofc i depends how his injury this past year will affect him for this upcoming year. I'm also not much of a Hanley fan. As far as lineup with JDM-- 1-- Betts 2-- Beni 3-- JDM 4-- Devers 5-- Xander 6-- MM/Hanley 7-- Vaz-- 8-- JBJ 9-- Pedey/Hernandez/Holt - I would try to keep Swihart and Leon if I could.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 29, 2017 1:19:49 GMT -5
How this team fills out its bench is going to be one of the more intresting things of the whole offseason. They have a million options and a bunch of players out of options. Now if we can only sign our big bat and start to get an idea how everything fits.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 29, 2017 5:46:53 GMT -5
Fair enough. What I was expecting was: "that package would not bring back Yelich and Realmuto." Which, I think, is also fair. At any rate, doubt its happening. My comment was designed to think of alternate routes other than JD should he not work out. Personally I'm fine with him (in a reasonable contract). I don't think Miami would do it either. Miami's current projected payroll is 94 million and they want to drop down to approx 85-90ish million. So they are already not that far off from meeting their desired payroll number. There's easier and more creative ways they can do that then to trade away their two best players. Plus considering all the negative backlash the Miami front office has taken, they'd need some top-tier talent in exchange in order to make that trade. They're not in as bad of a negotiating position now than they were a few months ago. Miami probably would be happy with a payroll of $0 if people would still pay money to see them.
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Post by jdb on Dec 29, 2017 10:11:05 GMT -5
I can't wait to see how the Realmuta and Yelich situation unfolds. Considering what they got for Ozuna who knows what to expect when names like those and Bour go. Taz and Zeigler are bad contracts while Chein and Prado are awful. Pair any of those guys up with talent and who knows what a trade would look like.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 11:14:49 GMT -5
I would really like to see the Sox build a super bench. Like with players like Nunez, Cargo,Howie Kendrick Wertz
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