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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2017 13:46:11 GMT -5
Yup. His public pronouncements about Henry Owens being nearly untouchable being a prime example. Which also points to a player evaluation problem.
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Post by soxfando on Oct 11, 2017 13:51:51 GMT -5
Probably had to do with using Steven Wright as a pinch runner.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2017 13:53:37 GMT -5
The Red Sox couldn't bring Farrell back, he would've lacked the job security this team needs from its manager in order to properly utilize the roster for next season. The biggest challenge they face is devising a plan to keep Sale and Pomeranz effective into October, as well as keeping Price (and hopefully Rodriguez) healthy throughout the season. If the plan is to give these guys all the starts they can handle, and to let each individual outing's performance dictate how long they'll stay in the game, I see no reason to expect significantly better versions of Sale and Pomeranz entering next postseason. Yes, you have to get there first, but this team won't win in the postseason if they can't the normal versions of their best pitchers. They have a track record of hitting a wall late in the season. I'm not sure what plan is best for the rotation, but I'd like to see them try something different. I'd be ok with trying a six man rotation the first couple months of the season, or planning skipped starts every so often, or planning for certain starts to be less than 5 innings or under a certain amount of pitches. The point is I'd be open to trying anything new, because I don't think the most effective way to utilize the rotation next season is to treat them all like workhorses throughout the season and give them everything they can handle until they simply wear down and decline in command or stuff/velocity. I'd also like to see the new manager use Kimbrel in high leverage non-save situations from time to time, not just because it'll be the right baseball decision, but to give him more experience in situations that might not feel comfortable to him at this time. Inevitably he'll have to enter a big game with runners on, or a tied game, and I don't think they should wait until it's a game that matters the most. This desire isn't just because he blew the last game, it seems like situations outside of the traditional save have given him more trouble than they should considering how great the guy is. What could've been. Think many here would've loved to have Friedman as GM. fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-dodgers-are-using-baseballs-new-dl-rules-to-get-an-edge/I think Theo had more or less planned DL stints for Beckett before 09. I am all for that, but you need to have a decent lead to get away with it, and not be playing for everything on the last week of the season.
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Post by soxfando on Oct 11, 2017 13:59:55 GMT -5
Yeah that's a good point, last 2 Sox GMs were/are kind of at the extremes for hoarding and trading prospects. You'd think they would have been able to find a GM in the middle (any awful Theo trades?). It can't be that complicated.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 11, 2017 14:00:27 GMT -5
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 11, 2017 14:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 11, 2017 14:42:48 GMT -5
So long John. Thanks for your efforts and successes. Hope for the best for you going forward.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 11, 2017 14:44:50 GMT -5
Have no clue who should be next manager. I am sure they will hire someone who will do just fine. More concerned with power in the middle of the lineup. Most important decision of the off season.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 11, 2017 15:15:03 GMT -5
This ^. They have to use a 5 1/2 man rotation of some sort. [...] They "have to" is so much sillier as an argument than "I'd like to see them try...." If this isn't actually a necessity, the how do you prevent the well-documented season-long decline of Sale while pitching him in a regular 5-man rotation? All of his numbers correlate better to start # than cumulative IP. What exactly is your counter-proposal? "They have to" is only "silly" if it's not true. (If this is actually self-parody, never mind. It did make me smile.)
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 11, 2017 15:39:14 GMT -5
I have no favorite for new Sox Manager. I only hope he has managerial experience and the ability to get along with and communicate well with the players.
Oh, and yes, It would be nice if he could win a couple of division championships for us, and, perhaps a World Series, too.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 16:25:59 GMT -5
Absent from his statement is thanking DDo. Not saying he should have, just that it's telling that he didn't thank him for sticking with him when he had cancer.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 11, 2017 17:19:52 GMT -5
"I am grateful to two front office groups..."
Sounds like that's the DD shoutout
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 17:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 11, 2017 18:00:02 GMT -5
Epstein didn't bring in Cherington, BC predated Theo on the Sox. I wouldn't give this much credibility if the guy can't get that right.
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 11, 2017 18:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 11, 2017 19:05:32 GMT -5
This sure reminds me a lot of the chicken and beer gate years ago. Why does the sox media keep doing these kinda things man
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Post by incandenza on Oct 11, 2017 19:16:05 GMT -5
To paraphrase the article: "Price is very popular with his teammates but not the media," says media guy. "Therefore everything is his fault." What garbage.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 11, 2017 19:16:26 GMT -5
That might be the dumbest article I've ever read and that's all of the commentary I'll give on it.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 11, 2017 19:19:36 GMT -5
Thills sure reminds me a lot of the chicken and beer gate years ago. Why does the sox media keep doing these kinda things man Is there any wonder why they say Boston is a difficult environment for a major league athlete? It's people like Buckley, Felger, Mazz el al who are more concerned about peripherals than what goes on between the lines and goal lines.
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Post by cutz on Oct 11, 2017 19:29:22 GMT -5
That might be the dumbest article I've ever read and that's all of the commentary I'll give on it. I agree.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 11, 2017 20:20:39 GMT -5
I don't understand why anyone bothers to spend their time reading tomase.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 11, 2017 20:46:37 GMT -5
Thills sure reminds me a lot of the chicken and beer gate years ago. Why does the sox media keep doing these kinda things man Is there any wonder why they say Boston is a difficult environment for a major league athlete? It's people like Buckley, Felger, Mazz el al who are more concerned about peripherals than what goes on between the lines and goal lines. Agree. Too many journalists inside and outside of sports today are more predicated on driving narratives and pushing storylines than genuinely reporting. Look at all the pieces today on “likely Red Sox managerial candidates.” Every single one is conjecture with many bordering on wishcasting. Not a single one has a source in baseball ops or ownership on whether there’s been discussions at all. This goes for articles on off-season targets. Talking about Hosmer and saying he could bring “significant pop” is almost self-excluding when a legit comparrison of Moreland’s stats to his it's a wash to shades of difference. In fact, if Moreland could be re-signed for almost the same money as this year on a 1-2 year deal, and a legit platoon partner found, it could likely yield better results on both sides of the ball and better long term opportunities than 5 years of Hosmer - and would be easier to walk away from and recast if it went bad - despite the age difference. But don’t even look at the stats “reporters,” just throw names around and call it “likely.”
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 11, 2017 21:08:40 GMT -5
For me, the firing seems like a combination of factors with game management the primary one. On the other hand, you certainly can't just dismiss the chickengate flavor that basically started when Petey sold his teammates under the bus for Machado.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 11, 2017 21:28:11 GMT -5
My preferences are the least likely, I want virgin blood. DeSarcina, Febles or Cora would work for me but Ausmus seems more likely. The coaches should be up to the manager.
Realistically, you need to have been inside clubhouses with any of the candidates or had a lot of conversations with people who have to make a good decision.
ADD: As long as the Sox players in general are self motivated, which they clearly are, we don't need a dictatorial manager like Tek would likely be. His personality reminds me of Dick Williams.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 11, 2017 22:36:43 GMT -5
We will hire bobby valinteno, who is the reincarnated body of Bobby valentine
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