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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 25, 2018 17:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by bosox on Feb 25, 2018 18:08:51 GMT -5
Sox getting media dining room ready per Bradford Link
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 25, 2018 23:45:40 GMT -5
At last!
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Post by Coreno on Feb 26, 2018 0:49:43 GMT -5
^ At first glance, I thought that was Bobby V and I almost went into cardiac arrest.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 26, 2018 5:58:24 GMT -5
^ At first glance, I thought that was Bobby V and I almost had went into cardiac arrest. That hiring will go down in history as one of the worst moves in Red Sox history. I gave up my partial season tickets I had for ten years after that debacle.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 26, 2018 9:04:10 GMT -5
So it's being announced as I write this, though I can't find anything about what was changed in the contract.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 26, 2018 9:13:39 GMT -5
So it's being announced as I write this, though I can't find anything about what was changed in the contract. Reports are just that they added contract language "protecting" both sides, so my assumption is that the compensation remained the same and there are just clauses that kick in if the specific potential foot issue becomes a problem. Perhaps something like Lackey's Tommy John clause or JD Drew's shoulder clause.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 26, 2018 9:15:57 GMT -5
So it's being announced as I write this, though I can't find anything about what was changed in the contract. Reports are just that they added contract language "protecting" both sides, so my assumption is that the compensation remained the same and there are just clauses that kick in if the specific potential foot issue becomes a problem. Perhaps something like Lackey's Tommy John clause or JD Drew's shoulder clause. Yep. I'm just curious about the exact clauses because I'm a baseball nerd.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 26, 2018 13:32:10 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 26, 2018 13:37:08 GMT -5
The new contract language feels like an admission that this is not a contract that is expected to otherwise last all 5 years at first blush, but I might be off on that.
Also, it's been reported that there are now opt-outs after years 2, 3, AND 4.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 26, 2018 13:40:24 GMT -5
So basically the Sox are protected in all years of the contract expect for year 1 and are on the hook until the end of year 3 if there's a lisfranc injury.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 26, 2018 14:14:48 GMT -5
The new contract language feels like an admission that this is not a contract that is expected to otherwise last all 5 years at first blush, but I might be off on that. Also, it's been reported that there are now opt-outs after years 2, 3, AND 4. Player opt-outs? Or mutual opt-outs triggered by injuries?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 26, 2018 14:23:06 GMT -5
The new contract language feels like an admission that this is not a contract that is expected to otherwise last all 5 years at first blush, but I might be off on that. Also, it's been reported that there are now opt-outs after years 2, 3, AND 4. Player opt-outs? Or mutual opt-outs triggered by injuries? Mutual options after year 3 and 4 if there's lisfranc injuries. 3 player opt outs now in the deal after years 2, 3, and 4.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Feb 26, 2018 14:27:47 GMT -5
What constitutes a mutual option? Can the team opt in to another year? Can JD still opt out?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 26, 2018 14:57:34 GMT -5
A mutual option means both parties must agree to continue the contract. An opt-out means it's a player option to end the contract.
What this clause essentially does is, if it triggers, allows the Red Sox to back out of the contract in year 4 or 5. Those years are already player opt-outs, so a mutual option basically makes it a mutual opt-out, if you think about it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 26, 2018 15:30:22 GMT -5
The hope for Sox fans is that he produces like a 30+ million dollar player and all of this is a moot point as he opts out as soon as he can. But during that time the Sox win a WS and he loves it in Boston so he resigns. Nothing has changed, hopefully everyone gets lucky. Maybe not playing the OF will help him, will he embrace the DH role? It does make the coming season more intriguing. I am bullish on the whole team. People talk about the Yankees like they automatically have the better lineup because they hit a lot of HRs. Who has better defense? It's not like the Yankees don't have questions. Most of the Yankee infield is a question. Julio Daniel Martinez is just what this team needs, he is one of the few guys out there that can put up Ortiz like numbers. If this team hits like it did in 2016 with that pitching staff they will win 98 games. It's going to be a fun season.
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Post by marrcus on Feb 26, 2018 15:58:13 GMT -5
Several of the NC questions dealt with DH. JDM two times that I heard, referred back to 'playing RF.' I find it hard to believe he thinks he's going to be out there with Betts around? But that's what he said.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 26, 2018 16:07:50 GMT -5
A mutual option means both parties must agree to continue the contract. An opt-out means it's a player option to end the contract. What this clause essentially does is, if it triggers, allows the Red Sox to back out of the contract in year 4 or 5. Those years are already player opt-outs, so a mutual option basically makes it a mutual opt-out, if you think about it. Just imagine if they used team options triggered by weight clauses with Pablo... Oh what could have been. It's hard to believe how much the Sox let the Giants push them into that stupid contract. I really like negotiations where only the Red Sox are involved a lot better.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 26, 2018 16:11:40 GMT -5
Several of the NC questions dealt with DH. JDM two times that I heard, referred back to 'playing RF.' I find it hard to believe he thinks he's going to be out there with Betts around? But that's what he said. I guess these press conferences are pretty laid back, but couldn't a reporter just ask him if he expects to displace the player with some of the best defensive seasons of all-time in RF?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 26, 2018 17:34:21 GMT -5
Maybe it is due to the Allan Craig Experiment, but this scares the bejesus out of me. I don't really care to understand all the details, but I think I read in this thread where that was common knowledge about the previous foot injury. Can anyone comment whether the Red Sox can request medical history from Boras or JDM about the injury during contract negotiations? Or is this a case of the Sox doctors really getting a look and reporting back their concerns?
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 26, 2018 17:45:01 GMT -5
Maybe it is due to the Allan Craig Experiment, but this scares the bejesus out of me. I don't really care to understand all the details, but I think I read in this thread where that was common knowledge about the previous foot injury. Can anyone comment whether the Red Sox can request medical history from Boras or JDM about the injury during contract negotiations? Or is this a case of the Sox doctors really getting a look and reporting back their concerns? This isn't Allen Craig again. He reportedly had the issue last season when he was hitting 45 HR in 489 PAs. Papi had a lot of foot problems too.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 26, 2018 17:55:36 GMT -5
Maybe it is due to the Allan Craig Experiment, but this scares the bejesus out of me. I don't really care to understand all the details, but I think I read in this thread where that was common knowledge about the previous foot injury. Can anyone comment whether the Red Sox can request medical history from Boras or JDM about the injury during contract negotiations? Or is this a case of the Sox doctors really getting a look and reporting back their concerns? This isn't Allen Craig again. He reportedly had the issue last season when he was hitting 45 HR in 489 PAs. Papi had a lot of foot problems too. Thanks, but the issue could get worse, no? It is worth the risk, sure. It appears as though the Sox had some real concern.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 26, 2018 17:57:33 GMT -5
This isn't Allen Craig again. He reportedly had the issue last season when he was hitting 45 HR in 489 PAs. Papi had a lot of foot problems too. Thanks, but the issue could get worse, no? It is worth the risk, sure. It appears as though the Sox had some real concern. It can get worse. Lisfranc injuries are a big concern, but the Sox now have protection in the backend of the deal in case something does happen. He should be okay for the next two years at least.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 26, 2018 18:03:13 GMT -5
JDM had a .516 ISO vs. LHP last year. That's like 2001 Barry Bonds ridiculous, granted in a 110 PA sample. He should continue to destroy lefties because of how well he goes the other way. Lefties have nowhere to pitch him because he covers the entire plate.
I hope he takes to playing DH every day. Papi has to come to camp to give him lots of advice soon.
Getting really excited about him finally.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 26, 2018 18:10:59 GMT -5
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