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4/17-4/19 Red Sox @ Angels Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 20, 2018 1:01:25 GMT -5
Also, they averaged exactly one run per inning while beating a team that entered this series with the best run differential in baseball (and a 13-3 record on a 7-game win streak), while giving up an average of one run per game. Wow, is this ever a good team. And they’ve got legit reinforcements coming in Pomeranz, Bogey, Pedey, and maybe even Thornburg. Just...wow. Don't forget Wright. As it is the Sox only have 3 effective starters/long relievers in the pen. They need an all-star/pinch-runner.
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Post by dd on Apr 20, 2018 1:01:37 GMT -5
Also, they averaged exactly one run per inning while beating a team that entered this series with the best run differential in baseball (and a 13-3 record on a 7-game win streak), while giving up an average of one run per game. Wow, is this ever a good team. And they’ve got legit reinforcements coming in Pomeranz, Bogey, Pedey, and maybe even Thornburg. Just...wow. I want so desperately to agree with you 100%. The problem is it's April. I'm a pathological pessimist. Talk to me in mid May ... or maybe late October. Meanwhile, did I mention how much fun this is? :-)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 20, 2018 1:03:53 GMT -5
The Sox are slipping. They only beat up the Angels by an 8-2 score this time around.
16-2. Absolutely ridiculous. This is a legitimately great team.
They started off winning the pitchers' duels and the amazing comebacks. They got bored of that and are now simply bludgeoning the other teams to death.
Man I hope they're playing this way in October!
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 20, 2018 1:24:18 GMT -5
Five teams in MLB history have started 16-2 or better.
'81 Oakland A's, 17-1, 96 RS, 31 RA (+65). 16.0 Pyth wins. '87 Milwaukee Brewers, 17-1, 121 RS, 76 RA (+45). 12.6 Pyth wins. They lost their next game, won 3 of their next 4, then went 2-18 (reverse of their first 20 games), including the first 12 losses in a row. At that point they were 22-21. They went 69-50 the rest of the way. They would have won the pennant if they'd played .500 ball in that 2-18 stretch. '18 Boston Red Sox, 16-2, 116 RS, 50 RA (+66). 14.8 Pyth wins. '55 Brooklyn Dodgers, 16-2, 112 RS, 61 RA (+51). 13.5 Pyth wins. '84 Detroit Tigers, 16-2, 108 RS, 60 RA (+48). 13.4 Pyth wins,
It's pretty clear that this is the second best first 18 games in MLB history. I think it's kosher to start with the actual wins, and then rank the teams by averaging actual wins with Pyth.
The A's lost their next 2, and managed to get to 24-6 before going 40-39 the rest of the way. I'm resisting the urge to look up their individual stats in their 17-1 run versus the 47-44 sequel.
The '84 Tigers got to 19-2 and 35-5 (but just 31-9 Pythag) before fading and playing .566 ball the rest if the way (92 wins on a season). Still, the hot start got them to 104.
The Dodgers got to 22-2, but with just 18.2 Pyth. They finished 98-35.
The Sox have no chance of besting the A's '81 Pyth if they win tomorrow, and in fact the A's kept their Pyth wins within a game of actual as they went to 20-3. So they don't have a shot at the best start ever for a little bit.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Apr 20, 2018 3:48:22 GMT -5
Also, they averaged exactly one run per inning while beating a team that entered this series with the best run differential in baseball (and a 13-3 record on a 7-game win streak), while giving up an average of one run per game. Wow, is this ever a good team. And they’ve got legit reinforcements coming in Pomeranz, Bogey, Pedey, and maybe even Thornburg. Just...wow. It seems like most of the enjoyment around here centers on the offense, but to me the most impressive part of this series was the way the pitching staff faced what was at the beginning of the series the most productive offense in baseball and shut them down. Remember a year ago the gargantuan run the Dodgers had in the middle of the season. If you forget for a moment the fact that this run of success stands out because it has happened to occur at the beginning of the season, the fact is that teams go on runs like this ALL THE TIME, at all stages of the season. Eric and his statistical encyclopedias can probably figure out how many 16-2 or better runs there have been in the history of baseball. My bet is that it is a huge number, in the hundreds. We aren't talking about a singular event here. One thing that pleases me about the makeup of this team is, forgetting its overall quality for the moment, that the bullpen has multiple guys who can go multiple innings, and Cora is using them that way. I have long felt that this is the efficient way to run a bullpen rather than always bringing in 3 or 4 or 5 guys a night to get you through the late innings. This WILL pay dividends down the line.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 20, 2018 4:00:38 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I'd like to see Ohtani hitting a dinger here. Solo shot that is. Blasphemy!! And another morning I get to wake up to a winning box score. Just want to point out that I predicted this team could lead the league in both runs scored and runs allowed. Nostradamous I am!!
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 20, 2018 4:26:49 GMT -5
The one thing people are still hung up about the Sox is the bullpen. Well that bullpen has given up 3 hits over the last 46 batters, I don't think that is a weakness.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2018 4:39:23 GMT -5
The one thing people are still hung up about the Sox is the bullpen. Well that bullpen has given up 3 hits over the last 46 batters, I don't think that is a weakness. Most of that is in low leverage innings, but it's a positive. You're seeing a lot of Johnson and Walden during this time. So you really can't take much from these numbers, unless the Sox start throwing Johnson in high leverage innings. Walden has a good chance of being optioned today.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 20, 2018 4:53:55 GMT -5
Maybe they’re start to hit once Bogaerts and Pedroia get back.
Seriously, this is just amazing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2018 5:28:12 GMT -5
I wonder if the Joe Kelly ruling on his appeal comes today.
If it does and he has to miss 3-4 games (after the appeal), Walden can stay with the club for an extra 3-4 games if that's the case.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 20, 2018 6:43:14 GMT -5
Just think XMan went down and the rest of the team picked it up. He was the best at the time. This team is special. I am so happy The GM had the smarts to keep the team as is. They got Martinez on there terms. Excellent bench. So deep and have an excellent prospect on the bench Swihart. Lin makes us forget Marrero. Just like to see Swihart catch a little. Cora was the best offseason move by the Red Sox. What a relaxed team.
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Post by patford on Apr 20, 2018 7:58:19 GMT -5
Mitch Moreland should have picked that ball on that Devers' throw. He isn't impressive at picking balls in the dirt. Lou Merloni said he doesn't set up right to receive throws. He doesn't stretch. Costs some infield hits. Merloni did about 10 minutes on it one night on TV showing the correct way & then tape of Mitch. But hey, he's a Gold Glover. The difference between him and Ramirez definitely isn't glaring.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 20, 2018 8:08:45 GMT -5
I wonder if the Joe Kelly ruling on his appeal comes today. If it does and he has to miss 3-4 games (after the appeal), Walden can stay with the club for an extra 3-4 games if that's the case. Yes, it's schedueled for today. t.co/nPVGmFBaJ8It seems to me like Walden is the guy who makes room for Pomeranz. You still have Velazquez and Johnson in your bullpen if long relief is needed and the rest of the guys are fully rested (Kimbrel for instance has thrown 8 innings this season, Barnes 6 2/3, Hembree 11...) No need for Walden even when you're short of one guy in relief.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 20, 2018 9:15:34 GMT -5
I’d like to see Velasquez sent to AAA if he’s not starting here. Keep him stretched out; we will need him again.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 20, 2018 9:24:55 GMT -5
I’d like to see Velasquez sent to AAA if he’s not starting here. Keep him stretched out; we will need him again. I'm inclined to agree with this, especially since Johnson and Walden are capable of going multiple innings out of the bullpen. In some years I'd have advocated keeping the sixth starter up because the bullpen was filled with one-inning types, but that's not the case this year.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Apr 20, 2018 9:27:11 GMT -5
Lou Merloni said he doesn't set up right to receive throws. He doesn't stretch. Costs some infield hits. Merloni did about 10 minutes on it one night on TV showing the correct way & then tape of Mitch. But hey, he's a Gold Glover. The difference between him and Ramirez definitely isn't glaring. Good thing both are mashing the ball. Mitch: .343/.415/.571 Hanley: .323/.386/.532
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Post by patford on Apr 20, 2018 10:25:50 GMT -5
The difference between him and Ramirez definitely isn't glaring. Good thing both are mashing the ball. Mitch: .343/.415/.571 Hanley: .323/.386/.532 I just mean defensively. It's not "gold glove" v. "train wreck."
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 20, 2018 12:44:15 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, I'd like to see Ohtani hitting a dinger here. Solo shot that is. Blasphemy!! And another morning I get to wake up to a winning box score. Just want to point out that I predicted this team could lead the league in both runs scored and runs allowed. Nostradamous I am!! Ahhhhhhhhhh Nosty!!
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Apr 20, 2018 13:00:16 GMT -5
The '77 series against the Yankees that they mentioned was legendary. The wind was blowing out at Fenway, back before they raised the stands behind home plate and changed the wind patterns. The one-year park factor that year was 118. They won 9-4, 10-4, and 11-1. They hit 6 homers in game 1 (Fisk 2, Yaz, Lynn, Scott, Burleson), 5 in game 2 (Yaz and Carbo 2 each, Scott), and 5 in game 3 (Yaz, Rice, Scott, Carbo, Doyle). It was the weekend of my 5th prep school reunion and the first I heard of it was driving home and listening to game 3 on the radio. Very late to this, but the Saturday afternoon game of that series, telecast nationally on NBC's Game of the Week, was the one where Billy Martin yanked (no pun intended ... or maybe there was) Reggie Jackson out of right field in the middle of an inning for lack of hustle. Then the two of them had to be pulled apart in the Yankee dugout. It was a euphoric weekend for Red Sox fans. Unfortunately, the following weekend in the Bronx the Yankees turned the tables and swept them.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 20, 2018 15:29:12 GMT -5
Yes, it's schedueled for today. t.co/nPVGmFBaJ8It seems to me like Walden is the guy who makes room for Pomeranz. You still have Velazquez and Johnson in your bullpen if long relief is needed and the rest of the guys are fully rested (Kimbrel for instance has thrown 8 innings this season, Barnes 6 2/3, Hembree 11...) No need for Walden even when you're short of one guy in relief. You can keep Walden if Kelly's suspension kicks in today though. The Sox are still allowed to carry 25 spots regardless. Walden can get optioned in 4 games. I don't think so. Nevermind. Walden optioned. Because suspended (by the league) players don't free up a roster spot. You play shorthanded. (Players "suspended" for PED tests or domestic violence go on the Restricted List, and can be replaced.)
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Post by michael on Apr 20, 2018 16:56:44 GMT -5
The Sox are slipping. They only beat up the Angels by an 8-2 score this time around. 16-2. Absolutely ridiculous. This is a legitimately great team. They started off winning the pitchers' duels and the amazing comebacks. They got bored of that and are now simply bludgeoning the other teams to death. Man I hope they're playing this way in October! Steve Lyons mentioned last night that while averaging 9 runs a game the trend had a disturbing downward bent
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2018 17:01:10 GMT -5
You can keep Walden if Kelly's suspension kicks in today though. The Sox are still allowed to carry 25 spots regardless. Walden can get optioned in 4 games. I don't think so. Because suspended (by the league) players don't free up a roster spot. You play shorthanded. (Players "suspended" for PED tests or domestic violence go on the Restricted List, and can be replaced.) Yeah I saw that, I stand corrected.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 20, 2018 18:32:38 GMT -5
The '77 series against the Yankees that they mentioned was legendary. The wind was blowing out at Fenway, back before they raised the stands behind home plate and changed the wind patterns. The one-year park factor that year was 118. They won 9-4, 10-4, and 11-1. They hit 6 homers in game 1 (Fisk 2, Yaz, Lynn, Scott, Burleson), 5 in game 2 (Yaz and Carbo 2 each, Scott), and 5 in game 3 (Yaz, Rice, Scott, Carbo, Doyle). It was the weekend of my 5th prep school reunion and the first I heard of it was driving home and listening to game 3 on the radio. Very late to this, but the Saturday afternoon game of that series, telecast nationally on NBC's Game of the Week, was the one where Billy Martin yanked (no pun intended ... or maybe there was) Reggie Jackson out of right field in the middle of an inning for lack of hustle. Then the two of them had to be pulled apart in the Yankee dugout. It was a euphoric weekend for Red Sox fans. Unfortunately, the following weekend in the Bronx the Yankees turned the tables and swept them. That is a great memory!
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Post by bosox on Apr 20, 2018 19:02:54 GMT -5
The '77 series against the Yankees that they mentioned was legendary. The wind was blowing out at Fenway, back before they raised the stands behind home plate and changed the wind patterns. The one-year park factor that year was 118. They won 9-4, 10-4, and 11-1. They hit 6 homers in game 1 (Fisk 2, Yaz, Lynn, Scott, Burleson), 5 in game 2 (Yaz and Carbo 2 each, Scott), and 5 in game 3 (Yaz, Rice, Scott, Carbo, Doyle). It was the weekend of my 5th prep school reunion and the first I heard of it was driving home and listening to game 3 on the radio. Very late to this, but the Saturday afternoon game of that series, telecast nationally on NBC's Game of the Week, was the one where Billy Martin yanked (no pun intended ... or maybe there was) Reggie Jackson out of right field in the middle of an inning for lack of hustle. Then the two of them had to be pulled apart in the Yankee dugout. It was a euphoric weekend for Red Sox fans. Unfortunately, the following weekend in the Bronx the Yankees turned the tables and swept them. Awesome memory! As a kid, I spent most Saturday's watching the Game of the Week. I enjoyed listening to the commentary of Gowdy, Kubek or Garagiola. Our local channel didn't televise many Sox games so if I wanted to catch a ballgame, the NBC Game of the Week was usually it.
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