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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2018 12:19:57 GMT -5
Also for those who can't access, Law actually has the Tigers selecting Joey Bart, C, Georgia Tech with the first overall pick. He's not convinced that Mize is a lock for the #1 pick.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 4, 2018 12:51:04 GMT -5
For those that are curious about Turang -- my understanding is that he had potential 1-1 buzz prior to this Spring. This year, he apparently still shows many of the same tools that made him an elite prospect, particularly on the defensive side. The issues this year seem to be that he's looked lethargic and unmotivated at times leading to some underwhelming performances. So who knows whats going on but it would be an interesting pick and wouldn't surprise me in that I think the Sox will select the most talented player available (barring serious makeup or injury concerns), and Turang could very well be that guy. I believe there are also questions about his hit tool. For example Keith Law: www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/23583441/updated-top-100-draft-prospects
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2018 13:14:22 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 4, 2018 13:44:20 GMT -5
I have seen a number of articles about how Turang’s bat has not advanced much in the last two years. This guy is dropping faster than Ben Simmons now that he is dating a Khardasian.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 4, 2018 13:47:06 GMT -5
Do they need a CBA agreement to change the rules to trade draft picks or is it just asshat owners preventing this?
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 4, 2018 13:53:54 GMT -5
For those that are curious about Turang -- my understanding is that he had potential 1-1 buzz prior to this Spring. This year, he apparently still shows many of the same tools that made him an elite prospect, particularly on the defensive side. The issues this year seem to be that he's looked lethargic and unmotivated at times leading to some underwhelming performances. So who knows whats going on but it would be an interesting pick and wouldn't surprise me in that I think the Sox will select the most talented player available (barring serious makeup or injury concerns), and Turang could very well be that guy. I believe there are also questions about his hit tool. For example Keith Law: www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/23583441/updated-top-100-draft-prospectsIn the event that we chose Trey Turang and he fails, I want to be the first to say "I wanted Meadows (Parker)."
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2018 13:54:52 GMT -5
I disagree because they are trying to use this draft to rebuild after trades. If they want another pick next year I'd go with not resigning Pomeranz. Wright or Beeks could take his spot in the rotation. The joke is that inevitably someone suggests that every year. Just wait until Rounds 2-10 when someone suggests we blow past our spending cap, take on the future punishments, and go overslot for every highly ranked HS player that dropped due to bonus demands. Then, because I'll have to know, I'll put the time into figuring out what that draft would have looked like if we did this.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 4, 2018 14:00:47 GMT -5
The joke is that inevitably someone suggests that every year. Just wait until Rounds 2-10 when someone suggests we blow past our spending cap, take on the future punishments, and go overslot for every highly ranked HS player that dropped due to bonus demands. Then, because I'll have to know, I'll put the time into figuring out what that draft would have looked like if we did this. We wasted Callis' time with that question on the podcast once just to have someone else on the record about why it's not practical.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 4, 2018 14:01:25 GMT -5
The joke is that inevitably someone suggests that every year. Just wait until Rounds 2-10 when someone suggests we blow past our spending cap, take on the future punishments, and go overslot for every highly ranked HS player that dropped due to bonus demands. Then, because I'll have to know, I'll put the time into figuring out what that draft would have looked like if we did this. It's a smart play if you have an owner willing to spend the money and its the right draft. Our past discussions showed the amount of talent is there in certain drafts.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 4, 2018 14:03:32 GMT -5
Just wait until Rounds 2-10 when someone suggests we blow past our spending cap, take on the future punishments, and go overslot for every highly ranked HS player that dropped due to bonus demands. Then, because I'll have to know, I'll put the time into figuring out what that draft would have looked like if we did this. We wasted Callis' time with that question on the podcast once just to have someone else on the record about why it's not practical. I think it was Callis, might have been the BA guys in a recent draft chat that got asked the same thing by a prominent Red Sox fan twitter account. Tony Mazz prob suggested it somewhere along the line.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 4, 2018 14:09:14 GMT -5
Anyone have a heck no list? Guys you are hoping are not the pick at 26? I don't really have many, just mainly Steele Walker or Joe McCarthy. Walker had some early whispers, but neither has been linked much lately.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2018 14:09:56 GMT -5
The joke is that inevitably someone suggests that every year. Just wait until Rounds 2-10 when someone suggests we blow past our spending cap, take on the future punishments, and go overslot for every highly ranked HS player that dropped due to bonus demands. Then, because I'll have to know, I'll put the time into figuring out what that draft would have looked like if we did this. Just show up at the kids’ houses with briefcases of cash! How could they say no???!!
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Post by michael on Jun 4, 2018 14:14:57 GMT -5
Big thanks to Vermont for setting all this up. Everything but the beer and popcorn. I thought VermontSox promised to bring beer tonight? He did but VT Senator, Bernie Sanders, is insisting that the federal government supply it. As usual no funding for.another Sanders promise.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2018 14:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 4, 2018 14:22:39 GMT -5
I asked Callis because the situation is so unique. System is so bad, draft and international avenues to repopulate are slammed shut, projected terrible draft slots, and financial muscle. Since then someone with the Red Sox I talk to has said those conversations would be most likely to happen either with owning a very high pick, or having a qualifying offer pick and pairing it with a an acquired competitive balance pick.
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Post by juanpena on Jun 4, 2018 14:29:33 GMT -5
Anyone have a heck no list? Luke Heimlich, in any round. Legally he has a right to make a living, but let it be with some other organization.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2018 14:31:14 GMT -5
For those hoping for Casas.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 4, 2018 14:33:37 GMT -5
I asked Callis because the situation is so unique. System is so bad, draft and international avenues to repopulate are slammed shut, projected terrible draft slots, and financial muscle. Since then someone with the Red Sox I talk to has said those conversations would be most likely to happen either with owning a very high pick, or having a qualifying offer pick and pairing it with a an acquired competitive balance pick. Not sure if you're replying to my post, but I wasn't referring to anything you said. When/what/how did you ask him about? The "ignore the penalties" strategy?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 4, 2018 14:51:19 GMT -5
I asked him in one of those MLB Pipeline Q&As but I can't seem to find a link at the moment. The gist of his response I think was it's too risky because there is too much space between the Red Sox picks this year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 4, 2018 14:54:47 GMT -5
Gotcha.
We need to find the list from the year I did the whole thing out...
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Post by soxpatsceltics on Jun 4, 2018 15:01:40 GMT -5
I asked him in one of those MLB Pipeline Q&As but I can't seem to find a link at the moment. The gist of his response I think was it's too risky because there is too much space between the Red Sox picks this year. What does he mean by that specifically? The Sox obviously don't have any comp picks from losing FAs or competitive balance picks for being a small market, but it's not like their picks are more spread out than usual. They lost no picks for J.D. because he was traded and couldn't get a QO. The Padres recently made news by taking on a lot of Phil Hughes' salary in order to take on pick #74 and the ~800,000 in pool money that comes with that. Is Callis suggesting that if the Sox did something like that then that kind of strategy would be valid?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 4, 2018 15:04:46 GMT -5
Definitely worthy of a pre-draft listen, Brian Bannister goes pretty in depth on Bradford's podcast about the drafting of pitchers.
Very interesting overall, especially about fastballs, and starting at 6:30 he talks all about the Tanner Houck experiment.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 4, 2018 15:15:14 GMT -5
What are some recent all bat, no defense, college players? Schwarber, Zack Collins come to mind. I can’t think of too many other recent first rounders.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2018 15:50:48 GMT -5
What are some recent all bat, no defense, college players? Schwarber, Zack Collins come to mind. I can’t think of too many other recent first rounders. Questionable defense, or limited 1B types in the 1st round include Will Craig (2016), Matt Thaiss (2016), Josh Naylor (2015), and AJ Reed (1st pick of 2014 2nd round).
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Post by Guidas on Jun 4, 2018 15:57:45 GMT -5
Beer would be an all-time selling shirt in Boston if he reached the Red Sox.
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