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6/5-6/7 Red Sox vs. Tigers Series Thread
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Jun 5, 2018 21:12:30 GMT -5
YES YES YES YES!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 5, 2018 21:13:28 GMT -5
Glad Wright got a chance to succeed. It's kind of funny that people kind of forget how good he was in 2016.
He had a lot of games where he would eat up 7, 8, or 9 innings and hold the opposition down. That's a very valuable pitcher.
I'm quite fine with him in the rotation and Pomeranz on the DL figuring things out/getting healthier.
And it'll be cool to see Beeks get the start on Thursday. They're deep enough they don't even need Johnson or Velazquez to start anymore.
And oh yeah, that JD Martinez guy is still pretty darn good. How anybody could not be lusting after the idea of him joining the Sox this past winter I don't know.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 5, 2018 21:16:48 GMT -5
Nevermind
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 5, 2018 21:19:53 GMT -5
Wright is pure gold. He gives the Sox financial flexibility and the roster too. He makes letting Pomerez go much more easier. I love how here so called res Sox reporters keep saying we have no depth.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 5, 2018 21:33:12 GMT -5
So I logged in to make all these cool quirky comments about Steven Wright and how good he is at baseball and all you guys beat me too it.
Seriously, I remember how awesome his 2016 was before getting injured. Knuckleball or not, if he can pitch like this I want to see more of him in the rotation.
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 5, 2018 22:32:07 GMT -5
Glad Wright got a chance to succeed. It's kind of funny that people kind of forget how good he was in 2016. He had a lot of games where he would eat up 7, 8, or 9 innings and hold the opposition down. That's a very valuable pitcher. I'm quite fine with him in the rotation and Pomeranz on the DL figuring things out/getting healthier. And it'll be cool to see Beeks get the start on Thursday. They're deep enough they don't even need Johnson or Velazquez to start anymore. And oh yeah, that JD Martinez guy is still pretty darn good. How anybody could not be lusting after the idea of him joining the Sox this past winter I don't know.I did start the off-season wanting JDM and arguing strongly for Moreland. Then I switched to thinking Hosmer was even more desirable than JDM, but I went on and on about how we should sign both (although I was dead wrong about staying under $237M while doing so, despite very close on both guy's AAV). I always thought JDM had nowhere else to go and don't recall any suggestion of mine where we signed Hosmer and a bat other than JDM to upgrade Hanley at DH.
I was worried about JDM's track record for being weak in the clutch. Right now he's sporting his first positive "Clutch" number at FG since he became himself. A consistent negative clutch is often the result of feasting on crap pitching, which you see much less of in high leverage. There's actually no evidence that anything has changed in that regard; his Late and Close split is worse than average. But he's been unreal in high-leverage situations in the first 8 innings.
Meanwhile, Hosmer is on pace for 4.4 bWAR in 150 games (add 0.2 for never taking time off) while posting an OPS 30 points lower at home than on the road, and the main reason I loved him was that I was convinced Fenway would transform him the way it did Bill Mueller ... and Moreland. That bWAR includes a +9 / 150 DRS, consistent with my argument that disparity between how good Hosmer looked at 1B and his numbers was the result of the Royals' worst-in-MLB defensive positioning. I think Hosmer in a Sox uni, playing as well as he has in SD, would be neck-and-neck with JDM in bWAR and DDo would look like even better.
So I'm still mourning not getting both, but the Moreland vs. Hosmer salary savings will come in very handy going forward. If Moreland can continue to play at anywhere his current level, that was obviously the right choice.
Meanwhile, Steven Wright has the 4th lowest ERA in MLB of pitchers who have started at least 1 game and thrown 20+ innings, after Cueto, Verlander, and deGrom, and has the lowest ERA of those who have the same name as someone professionally hilarious.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 6, 2018 0:19:27 GMT -5
What I recall is a few posters throwing out not just Hosmer, but the likes of Duda, and Alonso. Meanwhile, Moreland has already made his salary for the year. He's a tough guy and never made much noise about the broken toe last season. Maybe, just maybe, that did make a difference at the plate. Anyway, he's right up there on the wins leaderboard for first base, despite only having 145 ABs. He's been a real bargain for the team.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 6, 2018 1:44:45 GMT -5
Hey haters, raise your hand if you were advocating a DFA for Steven Wright earlier this season. We know you’re out there. 😀 That's me and I'll fess up to Brock Holt as well.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2018 5:40:48 GMT -5
Velazquez in for relief. Have to think that locks Beeks into the start on Thursday. I think the same thing. Now Cora has confirmed it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 6, 2018 5:54:23 GMT -5
If Wright continues to pitch affectively does Pomeranz even get back into the rotation?
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Post by nomar on Jun 6, 2018 7:03:59 GMT -5
Should have traded him to help the farm over the winter. He's cooked. This is some epic hindsight. Pomeranz was easily the 2nd best starter for the team last year. He was really good. It sucks that he has been dreadful this year, but it's pretty obvious something is wrong physically with the drop in velocity. Not really www.fangraphs.com/blogs/boston-should-be-worried-about-drew-pomeranz/
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2018 7:09:18 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 6, 2018 7:15:33 GMT -5
A healthy and productive Pedey would be just what the Dr ordered for the Sox. Yes they have the best record in baseball but the D at 2nd and the consistency at the plate need an upgrade and he could be a big factor in the 2nd half.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 6, 2018 7:47:19 GMT -5
I gave up on Holt.
I knew this team had some issues because they had several players out of options.
So pumped about Beeks and I am rooting for Devers ,he looked good in the field last night. Looking forward to Swihart catch it one of these games. If they work him in with that bat unreal the results.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2018 8:32:33 GMT -5
Glad Wright got a chance to succeed. It's kind of funny that people kind of forget how good he was in 2016. He had a lot of games where he would eat up 7, 8, or 9 innings and hold the opposition down. That's a very valuable pitcher. I'm quite fine with him in the rotation and Pomeranz on the DL figuring things out/getting healthier. And it'll be cool to see Beeks get the start on Thursday. They're deep enough they don't even need Johnson or Velazquez to start anymore. And oh yeah, that JD Martinez guy is still pretty darn good. How anybody could not be lusting after the idea of him joining the Sox this past winter I don't know.I did start the off-season wanting JDM and arguing strongly for Moreland. Then I switched to thinking Hosmer was even more desirable than JDM, but I went on and on about how we should sign both (although I was dead wrong about staying under $237M while doing so, despite very close on both guy's AAV). I always thought JDM had nowhere else to go and don't recall any suggestion of mine where we signed Hosmer and a bat other than JDM to upgrade Hanley at DH. I was worried about JDM's track record for being weak in the clutch. Right now he's sporting his first positive "Clutch" number at FG since he became himself. A consistent negative clutch is often the result of feasting on crap pitching, which you see much less of in high leverage. There's actually no evidence that anything has changed in that regard; his Late and Close split is worse than average. But he's been unreal in high-leverage situations in the first 8 innings.
Meanwhile, Hosmer is on pace for 4.4 bWAR in 150 games (add 0.2 for never taking time off) while posting an OPS 30 points lower at home than on the road, and the main reason I loved him was that I was convinced Fenway would transform him the way it did Bill Mueller ... and Moreland. That bWAR includes a +9 / 150 DRS, consistent with my argument that disparity between how good Hosmer looked at 1B and his numbers was the result of the Royals' worst-in-MLB defensive positioning. I think Hosmer in a Sox uni, playing as well as he has in SD, would be neck-and-neck with JDM in bWAR and DDo would look like even better.
So I'm still mourning not getting both, but the Moreland vs. Hosmer salary savings will come in very handy going forward. If Moreland can continue to play at anywhere his current level, that was obviously the right choice. Meanwhile, Steven Wright has the 4th lowest ERA in MLB of pitchers who have started at least 1 game and thrown 20+ innings, after Cueto, Verlander, and deGrom, and has the lowest ERA of those who have the same name as someone professionally hilarious. What I was trying to say was that once the negotiations dragged out there was a segment of people (not necessarily here perse - I do listen to talk radio in the car when I drive - yeah I know) that were saying things like, "Ah the hell with him, he's not worth all of this drama. He's not THAT good anyways." I know a lot of people here wanted him but were leery of the price tag. I get it. He's worth it even if he was being paid near $30 million/year, but given the Sox' restrictions as they bump up against the cap, the Sox did well to wait him out and gamble another team wouldn't swoop in. Glad it worked out because I wouldn't want to imagine the lineup without him in it. He was exactly what the lineup needed. Like you Eric, I wasn't being realistic either, I was drooling over the though of BOTH Stanton and JDM. Stanton has always been my binkie since the Sox tried to get him from Florida as a minor leaguer when there were rumors of Manny Ramirez in 2008 being shopped around to Florida. Of course, the Marlins said no, but since then I always wanted Stanton - think he's going to be a 500 HR guy. But JDM's bat is legit. I look at the whole picture offensively. I wouldn't let the "Clutch" thing dissuade me. The guy just flat out rakes - against anybody. I did temper my expectations, though. I wasn't counting on him to hit more than 30 - 35 homers. I know he had that big HR explosion in Arizona, but it seems like, perhaps he found an even higher gear. I'm not sure where he was at when he reached his 43rd game this year - maybe he had 15 homers? If so, that would give him 60 homers in his past 162 games!! Let's just say that's better than good!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 6, 2018 9:11:00 GMT -5
Martinez is a fascinating hitter. He's very focused, almost to the point of obsession, with his mechanics and the results are profound. His 45 HRs last year were at the rate of 1 every 9.6 at bats which is outrageous. A few weeks back he was saying he wasn't quite comfortable with his swing yet. He may be getting there. He's at 11.2 for the season which is a great number. The last 20 games? Ten HRs at the rate of 1 every 7.3 at bats. That's just silly.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2018 9:47:27 GMT -5
Hey haters, raise your hand if you were advocating a DFA for Steven Wright earlier this season. We know you’re out there. 😀 I wasn't a DFA on Wright but I thought they should've traded Holt at the deadline in his All Star season and earlier this year thought he was all done. Not so much hate as I saw a guy who had outlasted his usefulness. Lugo is the last Red Sox player I truly hated. Nuñez gives me occasional Lugo flashbacks, and I was not a fan of his re-signing, but he's not in the hate bin. As for minor leaguers, I saw Henry Owen pitch live three times and that was enough for me to decide he should be traded while perceived value was high because I knew that wouldn't play in MLB. Drove me nuts when Cherington made him off limits. But even he, and Adam Warren, who I kept calling "fool's gold" never made it to the hate bin. Cherington came close, especially when he traded Reddick and Lowrie for relievers, but I had some personal knowledge about him, so I was relatively convinced he wouldn't be a good GM from the outset. Btw, I've long been - and still am a fan of - Buchholz, Lowrie, and Reddick, and lamented the departure of each of them. Like everyone here, I've had a bucket of binkies who never made it, either.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2018 9:49:03 GMT -5
Martinez is a fascinating hitter. He's very focused, almost to the point of obsession, with his mechanics and the results are profound. His 45 HRs last year were at the rate of 1 every 9.6 at bats which is outrageous. A few weeks back he was saying he wasn't quite comfortable with his swing yet. He may be getting there. He's at 11.2 for the season which is a great number. The last 20 games? Ten HRs at the rate of 1 every 7.3 at bats. That's just silly. Devers should be on JD's hip every day and absorbing all he can. Best way he can supplement his lack of minor league at bats and experience, other that taking BP and playing in games.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jun 6, 2018 10:50:29 GMT -5
Martinez is a fascinating hitter. He's very focused, almost to the point of obsession, with his mechanics and the results are profound. His 45 HRs last year were at the rate of 1 every 9.6 at bats which is outrageous. A few weeks back he was saying he wasn't quite comfortable with his swing yet. He may be getting there. He's at 11.2 for the season which is a great number. The last 20 games? Ten HRs at the rate of 1 every 7.3 at bats. That's just silly. Devers should be on JD's hip every day and absorbing all he can. Best way he can supplement his lack of minor league at bats and experience, other that taking BP and playing in games. Well I'd disagree a little. I think this season is proving a lot for him right now, and being as young as he is things are likely building up. It's impressive he has held the defense together, and still puts together tough at bats every now and then. The way his swing is, I don't think it would be the best idea to start taking from the JDM experience every day. Taping all his swings. FORCING himself almost to one side of the field. Just a little extreme for a guy who just this time last year was the best hitter for us at any level besides Mookie. You mentioned nuni in another post. I smiled. The difference with him and Lugo, is that Eduardo will get base hits and hustle into doubles, where has Julio Lugo would step up to the plate, promptly foul off a 90 mph fastball, and then chase the sliders
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Post by p23w on Jun 6, 2018 12:52:22 GMT -5
I find it amazing that fans take seriously (let alone listen) to "pundits" during the off season. For me it's tantamount to buying into hyperbole and fake news. It is driven by social media and those with personal agendas and fed by angst. I suppose it is a sign of the times but for me it calls into question the objectivity of the fan base. Are they fans of the medium or of the game. It is human nature to delve into supposition, but the loss of objectivity when that supposition is fed by social media is the grist mill of todays opinion making, and not just baseball pundits. Last night MLB spent 15 minutes on two Stanton AB's against Fiers. Pure hyperbole. I chastise myself for watching this but it proceeded the wrap up of the Wright gem against the Tigers. Even a seasoned media cynic can be swept up in gibberish. We have Martinez. He was signed to provide power. He has delivered on that promise. God willing and the creek don't rise he will be injury free and play 150 games. That being the case I will be happy and have the full expectation that he will opt out. Hopefully not but if he does the brain trust should head off that possibility with a renegotiation of his contract. That may be the best explanation for DFA'ing Hanley. I will ad the caveat that my speculation on this matter is well beyond my knowledge base and well into the gray zone of personal intuitive speculation. Or in plain English, my own opinion.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 6, 2018 14:05:17 GMT -5
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jun 6, 2018 15:46:29 GMT -5
These next two games against the Tigers are big games. They are throwing two left handers and the Red Sox have not hit them well this year and are without Betts and Pedroia. And the Tigers seem to have higher batting averages against left handed pitching - which we are throwing in the next two games. The Tigers were playing well before they started this series, but on paper they are not in the Red Sox league. They are a team the Red Sox should beat at home. And they are a team the Red Sox need to beat if they are going to win the division.
The Red Sox are clearly a very good team this year. Unfortunately, so are the Yankees. And there is no question that the Yankees, with their money and farm system, are going to get another starting pitcher (maybe 2) before the trade deadline and will be better down the stretch. The Red Sox need to win games like these next two if they are going to beat the Yankees for the division.
If they don't win the division, they end up in a one game elimination against what would be Houston if the season ended today. I do not want to see a 98 win Red Sox team losing an elimination game against a Verlander or Cole to end an otherwise great season.
Go Red Sox. Win these two games.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 6, 2018 16:11:13 GMT -5
Looking at Cora's comments on WEEI - possibility of moving Pom to the pen - example of what I really enjoy about Cora as our manager - a breath of honest, open, direct fresh air - he makes decisions quickly and moves on. Loving it....so totally un-Farrell-like.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 6, 2018 17:58:52 GMT -5
Looking at Cora's comments on WEEI - possibility of moving Pom to the pen - example of what I really enjoy about Cora as our manager - a breath of honest, open, direct fresh air - he makes decisions quickly and moves on. Loving it....so totally un-Farrell-like. Yeah, feel bummed about Pomeranz though. His value is officially gone. He isn't even worth the qualifying offer at the moment, which was one of the benefits for trading for him back then.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 6, 2018 18:07:05 GMT -5
These next two games against the Tigers are big games. Relax
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