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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 6, 2018 16:23:50 GMT -5
This whole draft seems to be set on who they can sign after the 10th round. Sign a bunch of the higher guys and it looks like a great draft. Don't sign a bunch of them and it looks like 2016, where I really preferred the 2017 draft. Just a lot more players with higher upsides.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 6, 2018 16:33:33 GMT -5
So I'm looking through the Sox draft history and it looks like there's been exactly one player that's been drafted lower than about the 10th round that's amounted to anything in the last 20 years or so: Josh Reddick (17th). Or I guess if you want to count Bobby Poyner, in the 14th round. I knew late-round gems are rare, but I guess I didn't realize it was that rare.
So, not to put too fine a point on it but... is there any reason to care at all about what's happening in these later rounds?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 16:35:41 GMT -5
34: Red Sox take Jared Poland, 2B from Cathedral HS in Indiana.
Ranked #272 by BA and #305 by PG.
BA write-up:
Notes: School: Cathedral HS, Indianapolis Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 190 | B-T: R-R | Commit/Drafted: Louisville Scouting Report: Louisville went heavy on Indiana prep players in its 2018 recruiting class and Poland is one of the best of the bunch. The righthanded hitter has a compact swing and consistently barrels up balls thanks to his feel for hitting and quick hands. He has some pop in his bat, but his approach lends itself more to hard line drives than home runs right now. Poland, an above-average runner, can play second or third base, but he doesn’t truly profile at either position. If he gets to Louisville, as expected, he’ll get a chance to be a two-way player thanks to his fastball-curveball combination on the mound.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 16:48:31 GMT -5
35: Red Sox take Jeremiah Boyd, C from Hickory Ridge HS (NC).
He's the son of a Red Sox national cross checker Quincy Boyd.
Presbyterian commit.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 6, 2018 16:48:51 GMT -5
So I'm looking through the Sox draft history and it looks like there's been exactly one player that's been drafted lower than about the 10th round that's amounted to anything in the last 20 years or so: Josh Reddick (17th). Or I guess if you want to count Bobby Poyner, in the 14th round. I knew late-round gems are rare, but I guess I didn't realize it was that rare. So, not to put too fine a point on it but... is there any reason to care at all about what's happening in these later rounds? There's a guy drafted in the 12th round of the 2014 draft who is starting for the Sox tomorrow. These late, late rounds I'll admit don't offer a lot of potential. That said Nick Northcut is basically the equivalent of a 2nd/3rd round pick. We've also picked guys Mauricio Dubon, Carlos Asuaje, and Nick Longhi in these rounds before....plus guys like Andre Colon, Tyler Dearden, Aaron Perry have some upside from last year's draft.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 6, 2018 16:52:18 GMT -5
So I'm looking through the Sox draft history and it looks like there's been exactly one player that's been drafted lower than about the 10th round that's amounted to anything in the last 20 years or so: Josh Reddick (17th). Or I guess if you want to count Bobby Poyner, in the 14th round. I knew late-round gems are rare, but I guess I didn't realize it was that rare. So, not to put too fine a point on it but... is there any reason to care at all about what's happening in these later rounds? Why are disrespecting Jalen Beeks' (12th round) game bro?
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Post by incandenza on Jun 6, 2018 16:59:16 GMT -5
So I'm looking through the Sox draft history and it looks like there's been exactly one player that's been drafted lower than about the 10th round that's amounted to anything in the last 20 years or so: Josh Reddick (17th). Or I guess if you want to count Bobby Poyner, in the 14th round. I knew late-round gems are rare, but I guess I didn't realize it was that rare. So, not to put too fine a point on it but... is there any reason to care at all about what's happening in these later rounds? Why are disrespecting Jalen Beeks' (12th round) game bro? Haha. Well, I did say about the 10th round. 12 is about 10, wouldn't you say? Clearly we all see Beeks' future Cy Young potential!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 17:03:22 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 17:14:49 GMT -5
37: Red Sox take Davis Wendzel, SS from Baylor.
Ranked #48 on BA's TX list.
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Post by The Duck on Jun 6, 2018 17:22:59 GMT -5
baseball is so different from the other sports when it comes to the draft. It seems like if you play D1 baseball and you DON'T get drafted, you must have really sucked, cuz EVERYBODY gets drafted. Anyone have any theories on why baseball seems to be even more of a crap-shoot when it comes to the draft than the other major sports? Basketball drafts 2 players per year for a 15 man roster, Football 7 for a 53 man roster, Baseball 40 for a 25 man roster.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2018 17:28:07 GMT -5
So I'm looking through the Sox draft history and it looks like there's been exactly one player that's been drafted lower than about the 10th round that's amounted to anything in the last 20 years or so: Josh Reddick (17th). Or I guess if you want to count Bobby Poyner, in the 14th round. I knew late-round gems are rare, but I guess I didn't realize it was that rare. So, not to put too fine a point on it but... is there any reason to care at all about what's happening in these later rounds? There's a guy drafted in the 12th round of the 2014 draft who is starting for the Sox tomorrow. These late, late rounds I'll admit don't offer a lot of potential. That said Nick Northcut is basically the equivalent of a 2nd/3rd round pick. We've also picked guys Mauricio Dubon, Carlos Asuaje, and Nick Longhi in these rounds before....plus guys like Andre Colon, Tyler Dearden, Aaron Perry have some upside from last year's draft. It should also be noted that the current system began in 2012, before the pool system, there was no difference between the first ten rounds and the last thirty.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 17:30:48 GMT -5
38: Red Sox take Art Joven, LHP from Col of the Sequoias (CA). Announced as a reliever.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 6, 2018 17:33:41 GMT -5
Lets take Kumar Rocker with Pick #40. Whaddya say?
My bad, the Rockies just nabbed him in Round 38
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 17:34:26 GMT -5
Lets take Kumar Rocker with Pick #40. Whaddya say? Rockies just drafted him.
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Post by danr on Jun 6, 2018 17:42:35 GMT -5
baseball is so different from the other sports when it comes to the draft. It seems like if you play D1 baseball and you DON'T get drafted, you must have really sucked, cuz EVERYBODY gets drafted. Anyone have any theories on why baseball seems to be even more of a crap-shoot when it comes to the draft than the other major sports? Basketball drafts 2 players per year for a 15 man roster, Football 7 for a 53 man roster, Baseball 40 for a 25 man roster. Those basketball and football players are expected to play on the major league team. The teams do not have minor league systems like baseball. Baseball has them because, with rare exceptions, even the best college players need minor league development to compete effectively in the majors. Because the development time of baseball players can be several years, almost always for high school players, most don't development major league skills. If you look at the previous drafts you can see what a high percentage of draftees never make it. I think it is extraordinarily difficult to predict the future success of almost any high school player and of many college players. If you read the scouting reports on many of these draftees above the first few rounds, they are very similar but almost always they point out where improvement is needed. Most players are not able to make those improvements.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 17:43:38 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 17:45:02 GMT -5
39: Red Sox take Shane Selman, OF from McNeese State.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 6, 2018 18:03:42 GMT -5
40: Red Sox take Zach Watson, CF from LSU.
Ranked #66 by BA, #90 by PG, #65 by MLB, #77 by Fangraphs.
BA write-up:
Notes: School: Louisiana State Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 166 | B-T: B-R | Commit/Drafted: Never Drafted Scouting Report: LSU has a history of producing speedy center fielders who turn into useful pro players. There was Mike Mahtook, Jacoby Jones (although he mainly played in the infield at LSU) and, most recently, Andrew Stevenson. Jake Fraley, the Rays’ 2016 supplemental second rounder, is also trying to join that group. Watson is the next in the lineage, as he’s a catalyst for the Tigers offense and an above-average defender in center field. Watson is a 70 runner on the 20-to-80 scouting scale, as he turns in 4.1 second times to first base as a righthanded hitter. He’s not just a slap hitter, as he has the bat speed and strong hands to drive the ball. He’ll post impressive 105-plus mph exit velocities when he connects, but his line drive stroke isn’t presently geared to lift the ball for home runs. As a hitter, Watson has a significant arm bar in his swing. He has to show he can better adjust to breaking balls. Long-term, he's projected as having a fringe-average hit tool, but with the chance to have above-average power as he matures. Watson’s profile as a righthanded-hitting outfielder is a little limiting if he can't be an everyday big leaguer, but he does enough things well enough to be a solid second to third-round pick. He’s a draft-eligible sophomore with plenty of leverage, so a team picking him will know they will likely need to pay handsomely to convince him to turn pro.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 6, 2018 18:07:02 GMT -5
Way to go out with a bang....an unsignable bang, but a bang nevertheless.
Great work VTSox....I think we all appreciate the updates!
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2018 18:08:53 GMT -5
40: Red Sox take Zach Watson, CF from LSU. Ranked #66 by BA, #90 by PG, #65 by MLB, #77 by Fangraphs. BA write-up: Notes: School: Louisiana State Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 166 | B-T: B-R | Commit/Drafted: Never Drafted Scouting Report: LSU has a history of producing speedy center fielders who turn into useful pro players. There was Mike Mahtook, Jacoby Jones (although he mainly played in the infield at LSU) and, most recently, Andrew Stevenson. Jake Fraley, the Rays’ 2016 supplemental second rounder, is also trying to join that group. Watson is the next in the lineage, as he’s a catalyst for the Tigers offense and an above-average defender in center field. Watson is a 70 runner on the 20-to-80 scouting scale, as he turns in 4.1 second times to first base as a righthanded hitter. He’s not just a slap hitter, as he has the bat speed and strong hands to drive the ball. He’ll post impressive 105-plus mph exit velocities when he connects, but his line drive stroke isn’t presently geared to lift the ball for home runs. As a hitter, Watson has a significant arm bar in his swing. He has to show he can better adjust to breaking balls. Long-term, he's projected as having a fringe-average hit tool, but with the chance to have above-average power as he matures. Watson’s profile as a righthanded-hitting outfielder is a little limiting if he can't be an everyday big leaguer, but he does enough things well enough to be a solid second to third-round pick. He’s a draft-eligible sophomore with plenty of leverage, so a team picking him will know they will likely need to pay handsomely to convince him to turn pro. Oh great, now we'll have this guy for people to complain about not signing for the next 30 days.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 6, 2018 18:11:22 GMT -5
Way to go out with a bang....an unsignable bang, but a bang nevertheless. Great work VTSox....I think we all appreciate the updates! Yes, amazing work with all the updates vermontsox! Thank you!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 6, 2018 18:42:09 GMT -5
Way to go out with a bang....an unsignable bang, but a bang nevertheless. Great work VTSox....I think we all appreciate the updates! Yes, amazing work with all the updates vermontsox! Thank you! Marathon man.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2018 20:08:07 GMT -5
40: Red Sox take Zach Watson, CF from LSU. Ranked #66 by BA, #90 by PG, #65 by MLB, #77 by Fangraphs. BA write-up: Notes: School: Louisiana State Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 166 | B-T: B-R | Commit/Drafted: Never Drafted Scouting Report: LSU has a history of producing speedy center fielders who turn into useful pro players. There was Mike Mahtook, Jacoby Jones (although he mainly played in the infield at LSU) and, most recently, Andrew Stevenson. Jake Fraley, the Rays’ 2016 supplemental second rounder, is also trying to join that group. Watson is the next in the lineage, as he’s a catalyst for the Tigers offense and an above-average defender in center field. Watson is a 70 runner on the 20-to-80 scouting scale, as he turns in 4.1 second times to first base as a righthanded hitter. He’s not just a slap hitter, as he has the bat speed and strong hands to drive the ball. He’ll post impressive 105-plus mph exit velocities when he connects, but his line drive stroke isn’t presently geared to lift the ball for home runs. As a hitter, Watson has a significant arm bar in his swing. He has to show he can better adjust to breaking balls. Long-term, he's projected as having a fringe-average hit tool, but with the chance to have above-average power as he matures. Watson’s profile as a righthanded-hitting outfielder is a little limiting if he can't be an everyday big leaguer, but he does enough things well enough to be a solid second to third-round pick. He’s a draft-eligible sophomore with plenty of leverage, so a team picking him will know they will likely need to pay handsomely to convince him to turn pro. They’ve got a lot of dough, but I won’t hold my breath on this one.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 6, 2018 21:28:37 GMT -5
I know this is fruitless but a way for the Sox to redo there system dam the money and the penalty and get these kids signed. You know a couple of these kids in two years will be first ,second third rounders. It happens all the time. I know it is not feesable But a quick way to stockpile a ton of talent.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 6, 2018 21:46:46 GMT -5
21: Red Sox take Brandon Howlett, 3B from George Jenkins HS. Ranked #399 by BA, #437 by PG. BA write-up: Notes: School: Jenkins HS, Lakeland, Fla. Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 205 | B-T: R-R | Commit/Drafted: Florida State Scouting Report: A split-camp player, Howlett has performed on big stages since he was an underclassmen and brings intriguing raw power to the table with a chance to be a solid third baseman. However he’s routinely shown swing and miss issues, and wears sports goggles in-game, which raises real concern about his eyesight. He didn’t throw well from the left side of the infield over the summer, but that seemed to be more injury-related than skill, as he shut things down in the offseason and then came out this spring and showed a average arm. He has the actions to stick at third base with solid hands and raw power that profiles well there, but will he ever get to it enough during games? That’s the question teams will be left trying to figure out. Sounds like a LASIK candidate.
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