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Post by Guidas on Jun 22, 2018 21:27:21 GMT -5
Didn’t we just go through a week of reporters asking Bogaerts why he’s sliding head first and Cora said they’ve asked him multiple times not to do so!?
I agree - bring up Lin if Xander will be out more than two days. A bum hand will turn him into 2017 second half Xander.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 22, 2018 21:31:26 GMT -5
another out on the bases. Goodness gracious these guys are something
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Post by Guidas on Jun 22, 2018 21:34:05 GMT -5
Devers must not have played Little League...or Senior League... or any other level where they teach basic baserunning skills.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2018 21:37:24 GMT -5
Didn’t we just go through a week of reporters asking Bogaerts why he’s sliding head first and Cora said they’ve asked him multiple times not to do so!? I agree - bring up Lin if Xander will be out more than two days. A bum hand will turn him into 2017 second half Xander. I'm inclined to agree with you but the Sox could carry Lin for a while anf just option Scott.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 22, 2018 21:47:11 GMT -5
that was some game
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 22, 2018 21:48:45 GMT -5
3 Stars of the Game 1) JD Martinez - great offensive production 2). Brian Johnson - nice mop up work\ 3). PedroFanForever45 - no mention of the Yankees losing...until they lost. Great comeback by our nine. Let's get em tomorrow.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2018 21:49:24 GMT -5
Awesome win. one of the best wins of the season overturning a 4 run and then a 5 run deficit.
The Sox would have won really easily if Cora's mind boggling decision to let Wright stay around long enough to give up 10 runs didn't ultimately turn the game into a thriller.
In case anybody didn't know, JD Martinez can mash.
Do hope that Xander will be ok. The way he dives into bases make me nervous. I have a feeling we might see a DL stint. I hope it doesn't hamper him going forward. That's a concern.
Meanwhile we should see Lin, although I anticipate we'll see more of Nunez, with Nunez at 2b and Holt at SS.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2018 21:51:25 GMT -5
OK, request to Eric Van. When was the last pitcher to start a game and give up 10 runs and wind up with a no-decision? I don't want to look it up - I saw that the last time a pitcher gave up 10 and didn't lose was in 2009. I think in 2008 or thereabouts didn't Charlie Zink give up a ton of runs in a wild game with Texas that the Sox wound up winning 19-17? Don't know if Zink gave up 10 but it was a lot.
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Post by bosox on Jun 22, 2018 21:54:20 GMT -5
3 Stars of the Game 1) JD Martinez - great offensive production 2). Brian Johnson - nice mop up work\3). PedroFanForever45 - no mention of the Yankees losing...until they lost. Great comeback by our nine. Let's get em tomorrow. Johnson was key in holding the Mariners down, especially that inning with bases loaded with cheap hits. Excellent comeback nice work by the pen and offense.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 22, 2018 21:58:25 GMT -5
OK, request to Eric Van. When was the last pitcher to start a game and give up 10 runs and wind up with a no-decision? I don't want to look it up - I saw that the last time a pitcher gave up 10 and didn't lose was in 2009. I think in 2008 or thereabouts didn't Charlie Zink give up a ton of runs in a wild game with Texas that the Sox wound up winning 19-17? Don't know if Zink gave up 10 but it was a lot. I wonder if that was the game I was thinking of. A home game vs. Texas where Youkilis hit a 2 run HR over the wall that may have been the game winner and Orsillo was like "Ya kiddin me?"
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Post by station13 on Jun 22, 2018 21:59:27 GMT -5
This team would be so screwed without JDM.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2018 22:04:48 GMT -5
I don't want to look it up - I saw that the last time a pitcher gave up 10 and didn't lose was in 2009. I think in 2008 or thereabouts didn't Charlie Zink give up a ton of runs in a wild game with Texas that the Sox wound up winning 19-17? Don't know if Zink gave up 10 but it was a lot. I wonder if that was the game I was thinking of. A home game vs. Texas where Youkilis hit a 2 run HR over the wall that may have been the game winner and Orsillo was like "Ya kiddin me?" Alright I looked it up - It was Aug 12, 2008. Zink gave up 8 runs in 4.1 innings. The Sox scored 10 runs in the 1st and eventually blew leads of 10-0 and 12-2 and 14-10. The Rangers eventually went ahead 16-14 before the Sox scored a run in the 7th to make it 16-15 and then scored 4 more times in the 8th - Youks did have the big blast and held on for a 19-17 win.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 22, 2018 22:06:05 GMT -5
I wonder if that was the game I was thinking of. A home game vs. Texas where Youkilis hit a 2 run HR over the wall that may have been the game winner and Orsillo was like "Ya kiddin me?" Alright I looked it up - It was Aug 12, 2008. Zink gave up 8 runs in 4.1 innings. The Sox scored 10 runs in the 1st and eventually blew leads of 10-0 and 12-2 and 14-10. The Rangers eventually went ahead 16-14 before the Sox scored a run in the 7th to make it 16-15 and then scored 4 more times in the 8th - Youks did have the big blast and held on for a 19-17 win. I feel like that was also a game where Ortiz hit 2 3-run homers in the first inning.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 22, 2018 22:11:07 GMT -5
Coming into the game, JDM with an unusual split that help explain the Sox problems against lefties.
+wRC 108 vs lefties 186 vs righties.
That's opposite his career. Last year: 235 vs lefties, 147 vs righties.
I'd put my money on JDM changing that.
Note: I looked it up based on a Speier comment during the game. (I watch NESN when Eck is there.) Speier used SLG% and O'Brien followed it up with "Lefties are pitching Martinez more carefully this year" like as if lefties didn't know JDM could hit last year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2018 22:19:52 GMT -5
Alright I looked it up - It was Aug 12, 2008. Zink gave up 8 runs in 4.1 innings. The Sox scored 10 runs in the 1st and eventually blew leads of 10-0 and 12-2 and 14-10. The Rangers eventually went ahead 16-14 before the Sox scored a run in the 7th to make it 16-15 and then scored 4 more times in the 8th - Youks did have the big blast and held on for a 19-17 win. I feel like that was also a game where Ortiz hit 2 3-run homers in the first inning. Awesome memory!! Yes, against Scott Feldman he hit 2 three run blasts in the 1st. I had totally forgotten about that!!
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 22, 2018 22:31:44 GMT -5
I'd like a review of why Sox were not allowed to keep Roenis Elias ...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 22, 2018 22:38:59 GMT -5
I feel like that was also a game where Ortiz hit 2 3-run homers in the first inning. Awesome memory!! Yes, against Scott Feldman he hit 2 three run blasts in the 1st. I had totally forgotten about that!! This game reminded me of the one and only memorable game I saw live. 1967, Sox were off to a slow start after finishing last in 1966. Sox were down early 10-0 in maybe the 4th inning. The other team had a runner on 2nd and there was a soft single to the CF side of RFer Jose Tartabull. Tartabull who had maybe the weakest arm in Sox right fielder history and had no business trying to get the runner out at home, unleashed a bullet to nail the runner at home. I was in the RF bleachers directly in line with Tartabull and home plate. I couldn't believe it. The Sox went on to score 11 unanswered runs and that game turned out to be the start of The Impossible Dream season. Other than that, virtually every game I've attended, Sox or other, were relatively dull. Want a dull game, get me tickets. Maybe I used up all my attendance excitement in that one game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 22, 2018 23:21:40 GMT -5
I wonder if that was the game I was thinking of. A home game vs. Texas where Youkilis hit a 2 run HR over the wall that may have been the game winner and Orsillo was like "Ya kiddin me?" Alright I looked it up - It was Aug 12, 2008. Zink gave up 8 runs in 4.1 innings. The Sox scored 10 runs in the 1st and eventually blew leads of 10-0 and 12-2 and 14-10. The Rangers eventually went ahead 16-14 before the Sox scored a run in the 7th to make it 16-15 and then scored 4 more times in the 8th - Youks did have the big blast and held on for a 19-17 win. Of course the last guy was also a knuckleball pitcher lol.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2018 23:28:14 GMT -5
Alright I looked it up - It was Aug 12, 2008. Zink gave up 8 runs in 4.1 innings. The Sox scored 10 runs in the 1st and eventually blew leads of 10-0 and 12-2 and 14-10. The Rangers eventually went ahead 16-14 before the Sox scored a run in the 7th to make it 16-15 and then scored 4 more times in the 8th - Youks did have the big blast and held on for a 19-17 win. Of course the last guy was also a knuckleball pitcher lol. True (and I know you're kidding), but I think having a knuckleballer in the rotation is a good thing. Yeah, his knuckler didn't work tonight, but Wright is as capable of going 9 as any other starter they have and if gets on a roll, he could be invaluable. His ERA takes a big hit tonight although it's still somehow respectable. I don't trust Pomeranz to come back, and I've read you elsewhere in another thread, but I'd prefer Kimbrel back and Pomeranz to leave and there's no way I push Chris Sale out of the way and gamble that Pomeranz is back to his 2017 level. At some point Pomeranz I expect Pomeranz will need surgery. His velocity gets lower and lower. I wouldn't gamble on his future. That said I understand why somebody wouldn't want to pay Kimbrel those big bucks given the history of closers and the potential need for his funds to be allocated elsewhere. So I think Wright's re-entry into the rotation is a really good thing. Just hope Cora cuts the chord in his starts sooner when it's obvious his knuckler isn't working. It can happen to any pitcher.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2018 23:29:27 GMT -5
Also it's pretty amazing how they can rake at home, but they struggle to generate offense on the road. On the road it's HR or nothing. It's easier to string hits together at Fenway where offense is more conducive.
Doesn't really change my opinion of what the offense needs. Just hope they don't need a SS for more than a week.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2018 0:07:20 GMT -5
I just thought it was ironic to have 2 knuckleball pitchers share that same stat back to back. Wasn't taking away anything from the value of the knuckleball.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2018 7:33:32 GMT -5
Great win! (plus Yankee loss!)
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 23, 2018 9:08:30 GMT -5
I wonder if that was the game I was thinking of. A home game vs. Texas where Youkilis hit a 2 run HR over the wall that may have been the game winner and Orsillo was like "Ya kiddin me?" Alright I looked it up - It was Aug 12, 2008. Zink gave up 8 runs in 4.1 innings. The Sox scored 10 runs in the 1st and eventually blew leads of 10-0 and 12-2 and 14-10. The Rangers eventually went ahead 16-14 before the Sox scored a run in the 7th to make it 16-15 and then scored 4 more times in the 8th - Youks did have the big blast and held on for a 19-17 win. I remember that game. Fun memory.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2018 11:13:05 GMT -5
I wonder if focusing so much on launch angle teamwide has further messed with JBJ’s swing and approach. He’s had some incredible bad luck this year, but I’ve always seen him as an albeit streaky singles-doubles guy who has thw power to run into 15-20 HRs. Focusing on launch angle more may have too many of these guys (Devers included) may be minimizing the “make contact/walk/OBP” approach to the peril of JBJ and some other players. I’m beginning to wonder if tge league even values high OBP singles/doubles hitters anymore.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 23, 2018 11:41:42 GMT -5
I wonder if focusing so much on launch angle teamwide has further messed with JBJ’s swing and approach. He’s had some incredible bad luck this year, but I’ve always seen him as an albeit streaky singles-doubles guy who has thw power to run into 15-20 HRs. Focusing on launch angle more may have too many of these guys (Devers included) may be minimizing the “make contact/walk/OBP” approach to the peril of JBJ and some other players. I’m beginning to wonder if tge league even values high OBP singles/doubles hitters anymore. Yep. But if they don't now, they will in the future. This stuff is cyclical by nature. The amount of K's in this league and the lack of old school fundamentals is not sustainable. At some point, it will come back in vogue.
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